The Official BLEACH series Thread

Originally posted by dadudemon
[B]I know exactly what you look like because you've shown a picture before. You've seen me as well and we posted our pictures at around the same time and complimented each other. 🙂 How could I forget that? 😄

Spoiler:
So you don't think I'm full of shit:

You're a smallish lady. Thin. Light Brown hair. I believe you were wearing a white t-shirt or a light colored shirt in the picture. You have what I would call a kind face and I remember Rogue Jedi commenting on you not looking evil at all or something to that effect.

So unless you've put on a million pounds since about 2 years ago, you've probably only gotten prettier. 😐

You have no idea. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Did not work for him then only because of an ass-pulled ability. He'd taken the Hogyoku to prevent something like that from happening, but the Hogyoku returned magically.
Because he was surrounded as well (and at SS, those Menos were close to rescuing all three of them), his hax poison ability likely needs him to be touching the affected area, and Aizen would likely anticipate a strike. He had to catch him unawares, when his guard was down, and when he could nullify KS. Only time that happened was the time Gin pounced.

It is the color on the person and the opponent that counts I think. 😛

Same here. I liked the art during the latter stages of the SS arc. Just not during the introduction arc.

Uchiha Madara, remember. Besides, you'd burned up a helpless white clone, so you deserve to be punched. 😛

Which is why Gin should have killed him before he ate the ass pull sphere to begin with.
So? Reveal your natures then and there. Take back the sword, yell Bankai, and watch it go. Aizen would be off guard. And you can't really expect me to believe Aizen wasn't expecting a betrayal at that moment. His guard might have been down but it was because, well, he no longer needed to guard against anything.

WELL YOU DON'T MAKE THE ****ING RULES NOW DO YOU!?

This has got me thinking....I would like Kenpachi so much more if he just had his hair down. I hate Squad 11. Except for the Pink kid. She is leet.

Said White clone tried to touch me(Damn these looks of mine sometimes). What did you want me to do? vin

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Which is why Gin should have killed him before he ate the ass pull sphere to begin with.
So? Reveal your natures then and there. Take back the sword, yell Bankai, and watch it go. Aizen would be off guard. And you can't really expect me to believe Aizen wasn't expecting a betrayal at that moment. His guard might have been down but it was because, well, he no longer needed to guard against anything.

WELL YOU DON'T MAKE THE ****ING RULES NOW DO YOU!?

This has got me thinking....I would like Kenpachi so much more if he just had his hair down. I hate Squad 11. Except for the Pink kid. She is leet.

Said White clone tried to touch me(Damn these looks of mine sometimes). What did you want me to do? vin

Dude, you are just reiterating the same two lines over and over again in different ways to win this. It's getting tiring explaining this. So for the umpteenth time;
No he couldn't kill him before he ate hax sphere because Aizen had hax intelligence and hax illusions to the point where he single-handedly took out most of the other captains and Visoreds. He tried to kill him after he ate hax sphere because Aizen lost said hax intelligence and Gin found a golden opportunity to negate said hax illusions.
And the ass-pull sphere never before demonstrated the ability to return to someone from someone else's hand.
Right, and the moment he yelled Bankai, his head would be taken off by the other Shinigami surrounding him and Aizen as they would have no idea Gin wanted to attack Aizen.

SCREW THE RULES, I HAVE MONEY and so does Shunsui

Yumichika's pretty l337 too, in a funny way.

You let it touch you before, and you didn't have any problems then. You just like killing helpless things. 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
No he couldn't kill him before he ate hax sphere because Aizen had hax intelligence and hax illusions to the point where he single-handedly took out most of the other captains and Visoreds. He tried to kill him after he ate hax sphere because Aizen lost said hax intelligence and Gin found a golden opportunity to negate said hax illusions.
And the ass-pull sphere never before demonstrated the ability to return to someone from someone else's hand.
Right, and the moment he yelled Bankai, his head would be taken off by the other Shinigami surrounding him and Aizen as they would have no idea Gin wanted to attack Aizen.

SCREW THE RULES, I HAVE MONEY and so does Shunsui

Yumichika's pretty l337 too, in a funny way.

You let it touch you before, and you didn't have any problems then. You just like killing helpless things. 😛

Now you see, I think I'm seeing the problem here. You think Aizen got dumber. He did not. He was merely using the best weapon he had on hand instead of his zanpakuto. Was that stupid? Arguably sure. But I don't think so considering how powerful said hax sphere was. Gin did not attack a dumber Aizen who couldn't use illusions. He attacked the same Aizen, who was admittedly more powerful and power hungry, who could still use illusions but Gin found a way around that. Why Gin could not do this before Aizen nomed on said sphere(since he already knew the weakness) I don't know.
His Bankai is pretty fast.

Omaeda has money too....

I hate him.

I did not. It attacked me and went inside me. I was helpless to defend myself.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Now you see, I think I'm seeing the problem here. You think Aizen got dumber. He did not. He was merely using the best weapon he had on hand instead of his zanpakuto. Was that stupid? Arguably sure. But I don't think so considering how powerful said hax sphere was. Gin did not attack a dumber Aizen who couldn't use illusions. He attacked the same Aizen, who was admittedly more powerful and power hungry, who could still use illusions but Gin found a way around that. Why Gin could not do this before Aizen nomed on said sphere(since he already knew the weakness) I don't know.
His Bankai is pretty fast.

Omaeda has money too....

I hate him.

I did not. It attacked me and went inside me. I was helpless to defend myself.

Except Aizen did get dumber, in that he became a lot less cautious and far more overconfident, as Urahara observed. You even called him 'power hungry stupid Aizen'. 😬
He instead relied on the power he had gotten as you said, and ignored his illusions, and the well thought out defences he had.
Gin found a way around the illusions BECAUSE Aizen was being a lot less on guard than he normally would be; or rather, he found a perfect opportunity for getting around the illusions, since he already knew how to negate the illusions.
Sure, but he has to remove his sword first, and if he moves, the other captains will think he is attempting to attack them, and off comes his head.

Omaeda's not in this discussion, Shunsui is. With that being said, Omaeda's shikai > Tosen's Bankai. vin

Can't believe you'd like Hitsugaya over him.

Nah, admit it, you enjoyed it thoroughly once you realized what he put in you. 😛

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v44/c393/17.html trumps anything you will say on the matter.

No it doesn't: it agrees with me and that very page is the reason I am saying what I am saying.

"In a fair fight."

Aizen didn't even start the fight fair, to begin with. This is due to his broken Zanpakuto. Aizen didn't plan on a "straight up fight" with fists or just simple unreleased zanpakutos, anyway.

And he also said, "you would probably be more powerful than me", meaning, it's not certain, but it's more likely to be true than not.

For me, that's like Goku vs. Perfect Cell: almost dead even with Cell being slightly stronger. 😄

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
As for this stab vs. slash thing; stabs are faster than slashes and this is why Aizen landed his hit before Yamamoto. Slashes are only viable from such a position when someone is slower than you are. In addition, this stab vs. slash has no bearing on their respective levels of power.

No, as fact, slashes are faster and more devestating than thrusts/stabs...when it comes to katana's. Don't you watch Deadliest Warrior? 😄

And, yes it quite does have relevance: had Aizen slashes against the hypnotized Yamamoto, he'd have escaped Yamamoto holding his sword. Why? Cause that's exactly what had happened with Aizen's previous slashes. Even assuming (it's probably true since Yamamoto was the one that taught Kenpachi a thing or two about Kendo) that Yamamoto has the "ultra-reflexes" that Kenpachi showed against Tosen, Aizen still could have won in a war of attrition as he slashed Yamamoto to ribbons piece by piece.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
But now let's look at Aizen and Unohana the way you are doing for Shunsui and Unohana.

Tied in offense.
Aizen is +10 in defense.
Aizen is +20 in mobility.
Tied in Kido/Reiatsu & Intelligence.
Unohana is +10 in strength.

And he wins against Unohana.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He outclasses or equals her in all but strength, but then again, he's demonstrably stronger than Komamura, who is +20 in strength when compared to Aizen.
So how is she supposed to be around Aizen's level again based on just stats?

She's incredibly strong and possibly even on Aizen's level of fighting ability. This is why Shisui is afraid to cross her.

Also, as far as strength, no, Aizen has no "stronger than Komamura" feats before his gay-splosions crystal cheating. In fact, Aizen's greatest strength feats come from just withstanding Ichigo's sword strikes after Ichigo masters his zanpakuto.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Nah, they are bullshit, and outdated. Gin's stats don't match up whatsover, Soi-Fon's demonstrated strength pales in comparison to the likes of Aizen, Yamamoto & even Gin, etc etc etc.

No, Gin's nicely matched up. He was fairly evenly matched up with Hitsu and Hitsu was very much green. Had Gin decided to use his Bankai, I think the fight would have been in Gin's favor...mostly because of how broken his Bankai is.

And, no, Soifon's strength is greater than any strength feat Aizen has pre-crystal.

To be honest, maybe this is just me and you'll all consider me grossly mistaken but, I wouldn't have said Aizen thinks his own power is 'unfair'. Ergo I think the only reason even he could beat Yama-jii was because he weakened himself immensely due to wonderweiss.

At least before he began 'evolving'

Originally posted by dadudemon
Well, here's a long *ss post:

I know exactly what you look like because you've shown a picture before. You've seen me as well and we posted our pictures at around the same time and complimented each other. 🙂 How could I forget that? 😄

Spoiler:
So you don't think I'm full of shit:

You're a smallish lady. Thin. Light Brown hair. I believe you were wearing a white t-shirt or a light colored shirt in the picture. You have what I would call a kind face and I remember Rogue Jedi commenting on you not looking evil at all or something to that effect.

So unless you've put on a million pounds since about 2 years ago, you've probably only gotten prettier. 😐

Wait, do you remember what I look like?

Ohhh.... I totally forgot about that =\

And nope ^^' I barely remember my posting ^^' Only that comment of not looking evil rings a bell...

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, Soifon's strength is greater than any strength feat Aizen has pre-crystal.

As an avid Soifon fan it pains me to do this but Aizen is definitely physically more powerful.

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v20/c176/9.html

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Except Aizen did get dumber, in that he became a lot less cautious and far more overconfident, as Urahara observed. You even called him 'power hungry stupid Aizen'. 😬
He instead relied on the power he had gotten as you said, and ignored his illusions, and the well thought out defences he had.
Gin found a way around the illusions BECAUSE Aizen was being a lot less on guard than he normally would be; or rather, he found a perfect opportunity for getting around the illusions, since he already knew how to negate the illusions.

Omaeda's not in this discussion, Shunsui is. With that being said, Omaeda's shikai > Tosen's Bankai. vin

Can't believe you'd like Hitsugaya over him.

Nah, admit it, you enjoyed it thoroughly once you realized what he put in you. 😛

And for very good reason, as nothing could actually hurt him. If Kisuke could recognize that, why didn't Gin?
Well his well thought out defenses included simply spamming illusions. But since he was in charge of the haxx sphere and wanted to try out his new powers. If the powers were weak, it would be stupid. They're not, so it is not.
So what you're saying is Gin only ever found one moment where Aizen was off guard(how did he know the weakness unless he experienced it before) and it was when he was at his strongest. I find that a little hard to believe. Gin has known him quite a while.

Nope.

You're confused why I would prefer the Hitsugaya, a character who has done relatively little to annoy me, to Yumichika, who annoys me every time he is on screen? It's probably due to the later being stupid as shit.

He put in me his white seeds. I cannot stand for that.

Random tangent: Does Sasuke still have bombs in his bloodstream? mmm

Originally posted by dadudemon
No it doesn't: it agrees with me and that very page is the reason I am saying what I am saying.

"In a fair fight."

Aizen didn't even start the fight fair, to begin with. This is due to his broken Zanpakuto. Aizen didn't plan on a "straight up fight" with fists or just simple unreleased zanpakutos, anyway.

And he also said, "you would probably be more powerful than me", meaning, it's not certain, but it's more likely to be true than not.

For me, that's like Goku vs. Perfect Cell: almost dead even with Cell being slightly stronger. 😄

Indeed, he didn't plan on entering a fair fight because he knew Yamamoto would beat him, regardless of whether or not he used his Zanpakuto, which by the way, he would use as Yamamoto would use his Zanpakuto, so the fight would still remain fair.
Hence his creation of Wonderweiss to counter Yamamoto's superiority.

It is certain. Yamamoto's status and Aizen's planning prove this.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, as fact, slashes are faster and more devestating than thrusts/stabs...when it comes to katana's. Don't you watch Deadliest Warrior? 😄

And, yes it quite does have relevance: had Aizen slashes against the hypnotized Yamamoto, he'd have escaped Yamamoto holding his sword. Why? Cause that's exactly what had happened with Aizen's previous slashes. Even assuming (it's probably true since Yamamoto was the one that taught Kenpachi a thing or two about Kendo) that Yamamoto has the "ultra-reflexes" that Kenpachi showed against Tosen, Aizen still could have won in a war of attrition as he slashed Yamamoto to ribbons piece by piece.

I don't watch Deadliest Warrior. Meh, the Katana was created for slashing, but stabs in the correct places tend to be deadliest...vin

Still has nothing to do with Yamamoto being > Aizen according to both Aizen and Yamamoto.

Originally posted by dadudemon
She's incredibly strong and possibly even on Aizen's level of fighting ability. This is why Shisui is afraid to cross her.

Also, as far as strength, no, Aizen has no "stronger than Komamura" feats before his gay-splosions crystal cheating. In fact, Aizen's greatest strength feats come from just withstanding Ichigo's sword strikes after Ichigo masters his zanpakuto.

Eh, he just does not want to get on her bad side, since she has the capacity to scare the shit out of anyone whilst simultaneously being polite. I don't know how this was extrapolated to a battle scenario.

Yeah, I guess I was wrong there. I forgot that Komamura tossed a huge-ass Arrancar easily.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No, Gin's nicely matched up. He was fairly evenly matched up with Hitsu and Hitsu was very much green. Had Gin decided to use his Bankai, I think the fight would have been in Gin's favor...mostly because of how broken his Bankai is.

He was fairly matched up with Hitsu, while Gin was holding back and screwing around. Gin stood up to Bankai Ichigo, albeit one that wasn't that determined, and he easily restrained Kenpachi.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, no, Soifon's strength is greater than any strength feat Aizen has pre-crystal.

The best strength feat I remember from Soi-Fon is lifting up a slab. Aizen has stopped Komamura from crushing him. Great to see that lifting slabs is > stopping giant ass swords to you.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
And for very good reason, as nothing could actually hurt him. If Kisuke could recognize that, why didn't Gin?
Well his well thought out defenses included simply spamming illusions. But since he was in charge of the haxx sphere and wanted to try out his new powers. If the powers were weak, it would be stupid. They're not, so it is not.
So what you're saying is Gin only ever found one moment where Aizen was off guard(how did he know the weakness unless he experienced it before) and it was when he was at his strongest. I find that a little hard to believe. Gin has known him quite a while.

Nope.

You're confused why I would prefer the Hitsugaya, a character who has done relatively little to annoy me, to Yumichika, who annoys me every time he is on screen? It's probably due to the later being stupid as shit.

He put in me his white seeds. I cannot stand for that.

Random tangent: Does Sasuke still have bombs in his bloodstream? mmm

"Nothing could hurt him" is far from the truth. "Nothing could hurt him as far as he held the Hogyoku" is close but no cigar. Still, this is why Gin took the Hogyoku away. If nothing could hurt him and Kisuke knew this, why would he and the others try to put him down?
Simply spamming illusions + deals with hollows + barriers + modified arrancars + a level of caution which meant that someone as smart as Kisuke wouldn't have been able to try out his attacks.
He knew the weakness because Aizen told him about it. Admittedly, he did believe him, but other sensory type weapons also lose their effects when they are grabbed...i.e. Tousen.
Yep, only one moment when he could grab the sword. The only other person capable of touching the sword was Yamamoto, and he had the sword in his gut. Aizen's faster than Gin. When Gin touched his sword, Aizen reacted in a manner that suggests that he didn't let anyone touch it.....>__>

Meh, maybe not.

I never knew Yumichika annoyed the shit out of you. His fight with that feminine male arrancar was the lulziest fight I've seen in the manga.

White seeds that gave you lots and lots of energy. You love it. 😛

If so, they're still duds.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
"Nothing could hurt him" is far from the truth. "Nothing could hurt him as far as he held the Hogyoku" is close but no cigar. Still, this is why Gin took the Hogyoku away. If nothing could hurt him and Kisuke knew this, why would he and the others try to put him down?
Simply spamming illusions + deals with hollows + barriers + modified arrancars + a level of caution which meant that someone as smart as Kisuke wouldn't have been able to try out his attacks.
He knew the weakness because Aizen told him about it. Admittedly, he did believe him, but other sensory type weapons also lose their effects when they are grabbed...i.e. Tousen.
Yep, only one moment when he could grab the sword. The only other person capable of touching the sword was Yamamoto, and he had the sword in his gut. Aizen's faster than Gin. When Gin touched his sword, Aizen reacted in a manner that suggests that he didn't let anyone touch it.....>__>

I never knew Yumichika annoyed the shit out of you. His fight with that feminine male arrancar was the lulziest fight I've seen in the manga.

White seeds that gave you lots and lots of energy. You love it. 😛

If so, they're still duds.

They need to try something. It was unlikely that they would succeed but they needed to at least try. 😛
So he believed Aizen huh? And actually, Aizen's does work differently than Tosen's by quite a bit.
Why didn't Gin stab through Aizen when Yamamoto had him held? o.O

It was weird and stupid. I hated all those fights except for Kira's.

I no longer need energy. So I no longer needed/wanted him in my sight.

So I'm thinking Urahara and Yoruichi will be the final big bads.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
So I'm thinking Urahara and Yoruichi will be the final big bads.

Then I hope the bad guys win in the end =D

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
They need to try something. It was unlikely that they would succeed but they needed to at least try. 😛
So he believed Aizen huh? And actually, Aizen's does work differently than Tosen's by quite a bit.
Why didn't Gin stab through Aizen when Yamamoto had him held? o.O

It was weird and stupid. I hated all those fights except for Kira's.

I no longer need energy. So I no longer needed/wanted him in my sight.

Or they believed they could put him down, it would just be difficult. 😛
From what we know, we can only assume that yes, he did believe Aizen when Aizen told him of KS's weakness.
True, but the weakness was kind of hinted at when Yamamoto had KS in his gut.
Because Yamamoto used a stupidly powerful tech right after grabbing Aizen's hand?

Nah, it was lulzy.

So you say. Why Susano'o though? Helpless clones too strong for your other techs? 😛

I hope Urahara goes down. DIE FOR MY SHIP ASSH0LE!!!!1!

Originally posted by EvilAngel
Then I hope the bad guys win in the end =D

Those two are ossum.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Or they believed they could put him down, it would just be difficult. 😛
From what we know, we can only assume that yes, he did believe Aizen when Aizen told him of KS's weakness.
True, but the weakness was kind of hinted at when Yamamoto had KS in his gut.
Because Yamamoto used a stupidly powerful tech right after grabbing Aizen's hand?

Nah, it was lulzy.

So you say. Why Susano'o though? Helpless clones too strong for your other techs? 😛

Nah. They knew they were screwed.
Eh....kinda. But it was a different scenario.
Not immediately.

The dude has a haxxed Shikai too. That pisses me off.

Well you see, while I had the bandages on my said, I listened to this audio book. "How to Cock Tease the Audience." Interesting read. Do recommend.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Nah. They knew they were screwed.
Eh....kinda. But it was a different scenario.
Not immediately.

The dude has a haxxed Shikai too. That pisses me off.

Well you see, while I had the bandages on my said, I listened to this audio book. "How to Cock Tease the Audience." Interesting read. Do recommend.

Midway during the fight, sure. At the beginning, not so much.
Whatever man. Don't really care. 😛
Couple of seconds after.

Yeah. Ossum shikai. He's a douche for not using it unless he is alone.

I wrote the book, so I know all about it. You should have used your new tech instead of Susano'o.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Midway during the fight, sure. At the beginning, not so much.
Whatever man. Don't really care. 😛
Couple of seconds after.

Yeah. Ossum shikai. He's a douche for not using it unless he is alone.

I wrote the book, so I know all about it. You should have used your new tech instead of Susano'o.

Dun care.

He's a douche period. So is Ikkaku. I hate them both.

"If we don't protect these pillars, the world is screwed! But we won't go all out because that shit will get us promoted. And **** that noise. I want to stay with Kenpachi and his ridiculous hair. **** the world."

I couldn't use my new technique at the time. It's too fast for the eye to see. 😛

Speaking of Yumichika, what was everyone's reaction when he fought that one Espada that looked like a ballerina? I couldn't watch that fight with a straight face.