Because the plot needs him to know that.
In universe though, he left Ulquiorra in charge, knows Ichigo would rescue Orihime, and that Ichigo is before him. Logic dictates that Ichigo must have defeated Ulquiorra....
But unfortunately for Aizen, he left a bunch of captains in Hueco Mundo and there is no reason to assume they wouldn't just gang up on Ulquiorra. So yeah, either it's something Aizen assumed that just happened to be correct or he just needed to know it because. Or maybe he just sensed Ichigo's power or something dumb like that.
Edit: God I hope I made it in time. Otherwise, someone is bound to make fun of that lol.
Too slow for me, Aura! 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Logic dictates that Ichigo must have defeated Orihime....
True logic shines through.
I think you're wrong though. Wasn't it mentioned that Aizen could see everything under the dome of Hueco Mundo? I think Aaroniero mentioned it, if he wasn't lying. If so, then he would have seen the start of their fight, as well as Ichigo running around afterwards.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Because the plot needs him to know that.In universe though, he left Ulquiorra in charge, knows Ichigo would rescue Orihime, and that Ichigo is before him. Logic dictates that Ichigo must have defeated Orihime....
But unfortunately for Aizen, he left a bunch of captains in Hueco Mundo and there is no reason to assume they wouldn't just gang up on Ulquiorra. So yeah, either it's something Aizen assumed that just happened to be correct or he just needed to know it because. Or maybe he just sensed Ichigo's power or something dumb like that.
Defeated Orihime?
I assumed he knew what happened as he actually knew about Ulquiorra's Segunda Etapa, and that Ichigo shouldn't have been able to beat Ulquiorra without something much greater than his Hollowfication.
I do want to point and laugh at you Aura, but I won't. 😛
@ Neph: I believe there was a surveillance system in place in Hueco Mundo, and Gin even trolls the Orihime Rescue Squad by shifting the corridors they were traveling down.
It may not have entirely been a lie.
However, Aizen, Gin & Tousen were in Fake Karakura when Ichigo fought against Ulquiorra.
Originally posted by Astner
So the conclusion is that Aizen did in fact know of Ulquiorra's second release, but Ulquiorra didn't know that Aizen knew of his second release and made the faulty assumption that he didn't?
My conclusion has always been that Aizen did not know of Ulq's second release because there is no evidence that he does and only evidence that he doesn't.
The flashbacks are "flashback" images that show up as Aizen gives his voice-over to Ichigo are from Ichigo's memories, not Aizen's. The is no reason to conclude that Aizen is "recalling" those memories: he is only speaking of the events that Ichigo had to go through.
As pointed out, Aizen would be aware that Ichigo had to overcome Ulquiorra with a power he had not yet displayed: Ulquiorra's first release was definitely more than a match for Ichigo (remember, Aizen was still in Hueco Mundo when Ichigo fought Grimmjow: Aizen would have been able to sense Ichigo's power as he fought Grimmjow. Aizen may have even been able to see that fight if Ulq did his eyeball crush thing again (Ulq saw some of the fight) however, that was not seen in the manga or anime so it is just baseless speculation). So Aizen has knowledge of those two fights and a general idea that Ichigo had to acquire a different level of power to overcome Ulq's first release (else Ichigo would not have made it back to "real world" because Ulq was charged with keeping Ichigo away or destroying him). Ulq was loyal to Aizen: Aizen had no reason to believe Ichigo would just let Ulq go.
So the conclusion is not that Aizen knew of Ulq's second release: that is virtually baseless.
The statement was weird. It would work better if Ulq and Ichigo were flipped. Granted, Ichigo wouldn't let him go but whatever.
I've gained a new appreciation for the Fullbring arc thanks to the Legend of Korra finale. I suddenly realized that Ichigo and Korra have a stunning amount of similar characteristics. Both are extremely talented(Korra having the ability to bend 3 elements from age 4 and Ichigo basically being a contender for strongest Shinigami at age 15), both a rather hothead(Korra flinging herself into confrontations with Amon, Ichigo jumping into impossible odds), both are rather childish in their own way(Korra having a silly crush, Ichigo trying his hardest to be cool), both have an irrational fear against a villain that can take everything they love from them while they can do effectively nothing (Amon taking Korra's bending, Aizen killing everyone Ichigo loves)...but most importantly is their sense of identity. Korra's first words are "I'm the Avatar" and she has basically lived her life comfortable in that fact. Every action she takes against Amon, Tarrlok, and anyone else is because she sees herself as the Avatar and that means she has a duty to keep balance in the world. Ichigo is simpler: He is a protector. This can be seen in pretty much every important action he ever does, from saying "The older brother is born first so he can protect his younger siblings" to throwing himself into danger to save his friends, no matter what the odds.
And eerily enough, they go through similar moments. And effectively, Ichigo comes off as the far superior character. But I suppose I should take it from the start of the comparison.
Fall from Grace
In the finale of LoK, Korra confronts Amon. He soundly defeats her and takes 3/4ths of her bending away. Thanks to an 11th hour superpower in the form of Airbending, she manages to defeat Amon anyway.
At the end of Deicide, Ichigo confronts Aizen and thoroughly stomps him at the cost of his own powers(and he had some help from Urahara but whatever). This too was an 11th hour superpower.
It's important to note this because it establishes something inherently different about the two: Korra would never entertain the idea of losing her powers. She too firmly identifies herself with them. She loses them because she was stupid, simple as that. Ichigo willing understands that in order to gain the power, he must die. Not Ichigo the person, but Ichigo the Shinigami(symbolized by Zangetsu stabbing him). It's fitting that in the end Ichigo seems to empathize with Aizen's loneliness at the lost of something that had become so tied to who he is. And finally, he has to say goodbye to a friend and a world he'd come to know and also try to protect.
So the fall was definitely handled better by Ichigo because it ties into his character. Korra's certainly had the lose but because it was in the middle of the action, the audience can't take it in. That and Ichigo's is more symbolic and such. Now onto...
The Chance for a Return
This here is one of the biggest problems with Korra and it's break neck pace. Katara still exists and there is still a chance that Korra can have her powers returned. And what do they do with this knowledge? Nothing. We never see Korra get hopeful for having her powers returned. We literally just see the show return from commercial, and Katara saying "Well I tried. Sucks kid." It's glossed over. For all it mattered, they may as well not even addressed the whole "Maybe Katara can fix things" deal.
In Bleach, we get an entire arc dedicated to this. Ichigo is adjusting to his life without his powers. Ishida is doing his job and Rukia is no longer present in his life, he doesn't know what he's gonna do with his life, and there is even a miniature "Be careful what you wish for" moment where Ichigo states that he'd always wanted a life like this. He pretends to be fine with it but that's just his character. His actions later on suggest that it really does bother him, so much so that he's been having dreams about it.
Then enters Ginjo. He offers Ichigo a chance to have his powers back. Ichigo is stunned by this and immediately goes for it. He hates feeling out of the loop and, though he is very cautious around Ginjo, he goes along with it. It's a foolish move for Ichigo to trust this guy and even he seems to know it...but because he wants so badly to have the power to protect the people he cares about, he goes along with it. And after all is said and done, Ichigo ultimately gets bitten hard for this. Tsukishima and Ginjo render him pathetic and have made him far worse than he was before. They've stolen his friends, his family, and his Fullbring powers from him. He messed up, knows he messed up, and is ultimately despairing at what's happened.
So in that regards, there isn't even a contest. Ichigo's character needed this but Korra's needed it far more. Ichigo was a Shinigami for under a year. Korra was the Avatar for her entire life. We should have seen more of how this lose affected her and how her last glimmer of hope was in vein. But we didn't. And so we come to...
The Blessing
Korra and Ichigo have reached a point of absolute despair. But things are again handled differently yet also similarly.
The most popular interpretation of the Korra scene that I've heard was that she was contemplating suicide. She was despairing over the lose of who she was. And in the end, she decided not to go through with it. Aang shows up, though she believes it to be Tenzin at first, assuming that he was going to comfort her. When Aang reveals that it's him, he says "When we hit our lowest point, we are open to our greatest change." So I have to ask, how is Korra changing? I don't see it. She's resetting back to normal, just with Airbending and Avatar State now. How did she grow? What made her deserve this blessing Aang? Of course, the idea is(near as I can tell) was that Korra decided not to end her life, which is ultimately why God(The Avatar is a God) decided to help her.
It's garbage. Complete garbage. Korra doesn't grow and we have to look at it a certain way in order for that to be the case. And if the point really is that Korra decided not to kill herself, then it's even worse. A person despairing to the point that they consider taking their own life is not going to by the whole "Don't do it, things get much better 5 seconds after you decide not to do it" crap. It's a horrible message because it's simply not true. The only way for a person to get through a bad situation is to take action to better their life. Korra cries, decides not to do it, and boom, everything's better. She doesn't try and consciously contact Aang. It just happens. It's horribly lazy and quite frankly I found it insulting.
Back to Bleach. Ichigo is despairing and boom, gets stabbed through the back. He turns to see his father, assuming that he is just another person Ichigo couldn't protect. He then sees that it's Rukia and in a flash, his powers are back. It's a very similar scene but the effect is way stronger. Rukia has come bearing a gift from Soul Society. The people Ichigo gave everything for haven't forgotten him and these new powers are the proof of that. Because of his past actions. Ichigo is finally given what he wants and what he feels he needs. But it's not stupid like in Korra, where she just cries and gets it. Ichigo gets his powers away not because of anything he did in the Fullbring arc, but because of the sacrifices he's made. It ultimately sends a message that all that you sacrifice in the past won't be forgotten and that there are good people in the world that will help you out. If you try to carry the entire burden yourself, you end up like he did when Ginjo took his powers. And that ultimately the best way to get through despair is to not let it stop you. And most importantly, you don't have to do it alone. And hey, Ichigo still has to prove he's worthy of this blessing by defeating Ginjo.
In many ways, it's a shockingly powerful moral for an arc that ultimately amounts to just a means to get Ichigo's powers back.
Tl;Dr, Ichigo>Korra.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The statement was weird. It would work better if Ulq and Ichigo were flipped. Granted, Ichigo wouldn't let him go but whatever.
Maybe the anime did better at showing ichigo had a ripe grudge against Ulq...but there was no way Ichigo was going to leave hueco mundo without fighting Ulq again.
Ulq honestly seemed indifferent to wanting to fight Ichigo. I could be wrong and there is a quote for Ulq somewhere showing otherwise. But it wasn't an "ulq want to smash ichigo" thing. It was a "Ichigo smash ulq! rrraawwwr!"
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
The statement was weird. It would work better if Ulq and Ichigo were flipped. Granted, Ichigo wouldn't let him go but whatever.I've gained a new appreciation for the Fullbring arc thanks to the Legend of Korra finale. I suddenly realized that Ichigo and Korra have a stunning amount of similar characteristics. Both are extremely talented(Korra having the ability to bend 3 elements from age 4 and Ichigo basically being a contender for strongest Shinigami at age 15), both a rather hothead(Korra flinging herself into confrontations with Amon, Ichigo jumping into impossible odds), both are rather childish in their own way(Korra having a silly crush, Ichigo trying his hardest to be cool), both have an irrational fear against a villain that can take everything they love from them while they can do effectively nothing (Amon taking Korra's bending, Aizen killing everyone Ichigo loves)...but most importantly is their sense of identity. Korra's first words are "I'm the Avatar" and she has basically lived her life comfortable in that fact. Every action she takes against Amon, Tarrlok, and anyone else is because she sees herself as the Avatar and that means she has a duty to keep balance in the world. Ichigo is simpler: He is a protector. This can be seen in pretty much every important action he ever does, from saying "The older brother is born first so he can protect his younger siblings" to throwing himself into danger to save his friends, no matter what the odds.
And eerily enough, they go through similar moments. And effectively, Ichigo comes off as the far superior character. But I suppose I should take it from the start of the comparison.
[b]Fall from Grace
In the finale of LoK, Korra confronts Amon. He soundly defeats her and takes 3/4ths of her bending away. Thanks to an 11th hour superpower in the form of Airbending, she manages to defeat Amon anyway.
At the end of Deicide, Ichigo confronts Aizen and thoroughly stomps him at the cost of his own powers(and he had some help from Urahara but whatever). This too was an 11th hour superpower.
It's important to note this because it establishes something inherently different about the two: Korra would never entertain the idea of losing her powers. She too firmly identifies herself with them. She loses them because she was stupid, simple as that. Ichigo willing understands that in order to gain the power, he must die. Not Ichigo the person, but Ichigo the Shinigami(symbolized by Zangetsu stabbing him). It's fitting that in the end Ichigo seems to empathize with Aizen's loneliness at the lost of something that had become so tied to who he is. And finally, he has to say goodbye to a friend and a world he'd come to know and also try to protect.
So the fall was definitely handled better by Ichigo because it ties into his character. Korra's certainly had the lose but because it was in the middle of the action, the audience can't take it in. That and Ichigo's is more symbolic and such. Now onto...
The Chance for a Return
This here is one of the biggest problems with Korra and it's break neck pace. Katara still exists and there is still a chance that Korra can have her powers returned. And what do they do with this knowledge? Nothing. We never see Korra get hopeful for having her powers returned. We literally just see the show return from commercial, and Katara saying "Well I tried. Sucks kid." It's glossed over. For all it mattered, they may as well not even addressed the whole "Maybe Katara can fix things" deal.
In Bleach, we get an entire arc dedicated to this. Ichigo is adjusting to his life without his powers. Ishida is doing his job and Rukia is no longer present in his life, he doesn't know what he's gonna do with his life, and there is even a miniature "Be careful what you wish for" moment where Ichigo states that he'd always wanted a life like this. He pretends to be fine with it but that's just his character. His actions later on suggest that it really does bother him, so much so that he's been having dreams about it.
Then enters Ginjo. He offers Ichigo a chance to have his powers back. Ichigo is stunned by this and immediately goes for it. He hates feeling out of the loop and, though he is very cautious around Ginjo, he goes along with it. It's a foolish move for Ichigo to trust this guy and even he seems to know it...but because he wants so badly to have the power to protect the people he cares about, he goes along with it. And after all is said and done, Ichigo ultimately gets bitten hard for this. Tsukishima and Ginjo render him pathetic and have made him far worse than he was before. They've stolen his friends, his family, and his Fullbring powers from him. He messed up, knows he messed up, and is ultimately despairing at what's happened.
So in that regards, there isn't even a contest. Ichigo's character needed this but Korra's needed it far more. Ichigo was a Shinigami for under a year. Korra was the Avatar for her entire life. We should have seen more of how this lose affected her and how her last glimmer of hope was in vein. But we didn't. And so we come to...
The Blessing
Korra and Ichigo have reached a point of absolute despair. But things are again handled differently yet also similarly.
The most popular interpretation of the Korra scene that I've heard was that she was contemplating suicide. She was despairing over the lose of who she was. And in the end, she decided not to go through with it. Aang shows up, though she believes it to be Tenzin at first, assuming that he was going to comfort her. When Aang reveals that it's him, he says "When we hit our lowest point, we are open to our greatest change." So I have to ask, how is Korra changing? I don't see it. She's resetting back to normal, just with Airbending and Avatar State now. How did she grow? What made her deserve this blessing Aang? Of course, the idea is(near as I can tell) was that Korra decided not to end her life, which is ultimately why God(The Avatar is a God) decided to help her.
It's garbage. Complete garbage. Korra doesn't grow and we have to look at it a certain way in order for that to be the case. And if the point really is that Korra decided not to kill herself, then it's even worse. A person despairing to the point that they consider taking their own life is not going to by the whole "Don't do it, things get much better 5 seconds after you decide not to do it" crap. It's a horrible message because it's simply not true. The only way for a person to get through a bad situation is to take action to better their life. Korra cries, decides not to do it, and boom, everything's better. She doesn't try and consciously contact Aang. It just happens. It's horribly lazy and quite frankly I found it insulting.
Back to Bleach. Ichigo is despairing and boom, gets stabbed through the back. He turns to see his father, assuming that he is just another person Ichigo couldn't protect. He then sees that it's Rukia and in a flash, his powers are back. It's a very similar scene but the effect is way stronger. Rukia has come bearing a gift from Soul Society. The people Ichigo gave everything for haven't forgotten him and these new powers are the proof of that. Because of his past actions. Ichigo is finally given what he wants and what he feels he needs. But it's not stupid like in Korra, where she just cries and gets it. Ichigo gets his powers away not because of anything he did in the Fullbring arc, but because of the sacrifices he's made. It ultimately sends a message that all that you sacrifice in the past won't be forgotten and that there are good people in the world that will help you out. If you try to carry the entire burden yourself, you end up like he did when Ginjo took his powers. And that ultimately the best way to get through despair is to not let it stop you. And most importantly, you don't have to do it alone. And hey, Ichigo still has to prove he's worthy of this blessing by defeating Ginjo.
In many ways, it's a shockingly powerful moral for an arc that ultimately amounts to just a means to get Ichigo's powers back.
Tl;Dr, Ichigo>Korra. [/B]
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