Originally posted by dadudemonLogically, Bleach has never made sense so you going on about what should logically happen is pointless.
Logically, Yamamoto shouldn't be able to hold a candle to the Vizard. 😐Logically, Ichigo is far faster than any character in all of bleach...but he was gimped right after the rescue arc, to maintain a plot.
Yeah, it's ridiculous that we're supposed to believe batting down millions of blades with one sword in the span of a few seconds is a LOW end speed feat by Bleach standards.
And yet, no one has done anything better than that save Starrk taking Orihime from under Zaraki and Ichigo before they could do anything about it if you want to count that...
Originally posted by Eman5805To clarify, he was able to bat away large amounts of the blades per swing.
Yeah, it's ridiculous that we're supposed to believe batting down millions of blades with one sword in the span of a few seconds is a LOW end speed feat by Bleach standards.
But seriously, you are trying to apply logic to an anime where holding your sword with two hands is a powerup. 😐
Originally posted by NemeBro
To clarify, he was able to bat away large amounts of the blades per swing.
To further clarify, it was 100 million blades, and it wasn't in a few seconds. It was like...very fast n'stuff.
Originally posted by NemeBro
But seriously, you are trying to apply logic to an anime where holding your sword with two hands is a powerup. 😐
But.....that is a way of increasing your striking power, dude. That's 100% TRUTH. It's just that....in Bleach, the difference in power is huge at those levels.
You should pick a different point to nit pick like that because that particular point falls flat on its face...
You could pick a point like the one I did...such as Ichigo's Bankai form being absurdly fast and then getting gimped, and then Kuchiki's flash step being pimped to keep up with an Espada's, and so forth.
Originally posted by dadudemonTrue. But it is not simply "at those levels," NO ONE else gets such a ridiculous power upgrade from gripping their sword with two hands. It was all Kenny could do to block one of Nnoitra's blades, when he used two hands, he cut through all of his blades and him, despite him also having one of the hardest Hierros. That is ridiculous.
But.....that is a way of increasing your striking power, dude. That's 100% TRUTH. It's just that....in Bleach, the difference in power is huge at those levels.You should pick a different point to nit pick like that because that particular point falls flat on its face...
You could pick a point like the one I did...such as Ichigo's Bankai form being absurdly fast and then getting gimped, and then Kuchiki's flash step being pimped to keep up with an Espada's, and so forth.
A better point would be Kenpachi stalemating Ichigo using his Shikai, but then Bankai Ichigo had trouble with Grimmjow, and then Kenny when getting serious completely destroyed Nnoitra(who>Grimmjow), despite Kenny's admission that he has actually grown WEAKER due to lack of practice.
Originally posted by NemeBro
To clarify, he was able to bat away large amounts of the blades per swing.But seriously, you are trying to apply logic to an anime where holding your sword with two hands is a powerup. 😐
Well...a two handed swing is stronger than using one. But, that's just my point. Kubo doesn't really give a damn about qualifying anything. He just does stuff and screw the details.
And yeah, I know he didn't swing once and knock exactly one blade away or anything...
Originally posted by NemeBro
True. But it is not simply "at those levels," NO ONE else gets such a ridiculous power upgrade from gripping their sword with two hands.
If I'm not mistaken, the power more than doubles, depending on the way the person is striking.
Originally posted by NemeBro
It was all Kenny could do to block one of Nnoitra's blades, when he used two hands, he cut through all of his blades and him, despite him also having one of the hardest Hierros. That is ridiculous.
No, not at all. Before, he could cut him, with one hand. Then, he used two hands...doubling his power. Seems fairly simple, to me. Not much thinking involved.
Originally posted by NemeBro
A better point would be Kenpachi stalemating Ichigo using his Shikai, but then Bankai Ichigo had trouble with Grimmjow, and then Kenny when getting serious completely destroyed Nnoitra(who>Grimmjow), despite Kenny's admission that he has actually grown WEAKER due to lack of practice.
Yes. I agree with this point, entirely. More than entirely...I agree with this point to no end. This is something that pissed me off. It's like...there's not power logic at all, to Bleach. Ichigo, in the rescue arc, is stronger than MOST captains. Defeating Kuchiki, who is one of the strongest, fastest, and skilled captains, was "defeated" by Ichigo.
Then, all of a sudden, he can't beat an Espada...which another captain, which he LONG surpassed in power, is able to defeat him.
In Ichigo's defense, he was very very weak from his fight with Grimmjow...so I guess I can let it slide.
Originally posted by dadudemon1. The power he swung with was more than ten times.
If I'm not mistaken, the power more than doubles, depending on the way the person is striking.No, not at all. Before, he could cut him, with one hand. Then, he used two hands...doubling his power. Seems fairly simple, to me. Not much thinking involved.
Yes. I agree with this point, entirely. More than entirely...I agree with this point to no end. This is something that pissed me off. It's like...there's not power logic at all, to Bleach. Ichigo, in the rescue arc, is stronger than MOST captains. Defeating Kuchiki, who is one of the strongest, fastest, and skilled captains, was "defeated" by Ichigo.
Then, all of a sudden, he can't beat an Espada...which another captain, which he LONG surpassed in power, is able to defeat him.
In Ichigo's defense, he was very very weak from his fight with Grimmjow...so I guess I can let it slide.
2. You did not read my post properly. He could cut him, yes, but not cut right through one of his Zanpakutos. With t3h powa of TWO HANDZ he was able to cut through all eight, and Nnoitra himself.
3. Truthfully?
Ichigo should have never beaten Kenpachi in the manner he did.
Kenpachi is one of the more powerful captains in the Gotei 13, Ichigo defeating him with only his Shikai was retarded, considering Kenny with his eyepatch sealing his power is a match for other captains using their Bankai. That would place Ichigo with his Shikai above the majority of the captains of the Gotei 13. With his Bankai unlocked, this increases his power tenfold at least, he was able to fight and best with difficulty Byakuya, oh, and if I recall correctly, he was also able to master Shunpo while training for his Bankai. So Byakuya would by this logic be more than ten times more powerful than the majority of the captains. Then the Espada are introduced. Grimmjow when they first fought, completely shit-stomped Bankai Ichigo with his bare hands. So Grimmjow would be like, what? Twenty times stronger than most of the captains? Then, to make matters even stupider, Byakuya has trouble with the 7th Espada, whereas Kenny completely destroys the 5th when he got serious. Making the power hierarchy more...What would you call it? Convoluted? Nonsensical? Or just plain retarded?
Seriously, when you look at Bleach from a logical, deeper point of view, it is retarded.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. The power he swung with was more than ten times.
Scans or it didn't happen. 😐
Originally posted by NemeBro
2. You did not read my post properly. He could cut him, yes, but not cut right through one of his Zanpakutos. With t3h powa of TWO HANDZ he was able to cut through all eight, and Nnoitra himself.
Seems rather reasonable. Same thing is true of "reality" when using a katana. An average man will find it difficult to cut through even an arm with only one arm on the Katana. Two hands can result in almost a complete "through". 😐
Originally posted by NemeBro
3. Truthfully?Ichigo should have never beaten Kenpachi in the manner he did.
I sort of agree here. Reality: Ichigo was amped too much to beat Kenpachi, imo.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Kenpachi is one of the more powerful captains in the Gotei 13, Ichigo defeating him with only his Shikai was retarded, considering Kenny with his eyepatch sealing his power is a match for other captains using their Bankai. That would place Ichigo with his Shikai above the majority of the captains of the Gotei 13.
Ichigo DID have reitasu of captain level before completing his Bankai training, and that was just in his "base" form...so...I would put him at least above average AFTER completing that training, but before going into bankai mode. What are you thoughts on this comment...as I'm not quite sure about the point I just made.
Originally posted by NemeBro
With his Bankai unlocked, this increases his power tenfold at least, he was able to fight and best with difficulty Byakuya, oh, and if I recall correctly, he was also able to master Shunpo while training for his Bankai. So Byakuya would by this logic be more than ten times more powerful than the majority of the captains. Then the Espada are introduced. Grimmjow when they first fought, completely shit-stomped Bankai Ichigo with his bare hands. So Grimmjow would be like, what? Twenty times stronger than most of the captains? Then, to make matters even stupider, Byakuya has trouble with the 7th Espada, whereas Kenny completely destroys the 5th when he got serious. Making the power hierarchy more...What would you call it? Convoluted? Nonsensical? Or just plain retarded?
Yup. Totally ****ed up. ✅
Originally posted by NemeBro
Seriously, when you look at Bleach from a logical, deeper point of view, it is retarded.
Indeed. It makes DBZ power continuity look intelligent.
Originally posted by dadudemon1. It was an estimation.
Scans or it didn't happen. 😐Seems rather reasonable. Same thing is true of "reality" when using a katana. An average man will find it difficult to cut through even an arm with only one arm on the Katana. Two hands can result in almost a complete "through". 😐
I sort of agree here. Reality: Ichigo was amped too much to beat Kenpachi, imo.
Ichigo DID have reitasu of captain level before completing his Bankai training, and that was just in his "base" form...so...I would put him at least above average AFTER completing that training, but before going into bankai mode. What are you thoughts on this comment...as I'm not quite sure about the point I just made.
Yup. Totally ****ed up. ✅
Indeed. It makes DBZ power continuity look intelligent.
2. Of the arm? Sure. Can said person cut directly through the person from head to toe? No person has done this to my knowledge. It would have made some sense if Kenny was able to cut through like one of Nnoitra's Zanpakutos, but ALL eight, along with mortally wounding Nnoitra himself?
3. I don't think they should have fought that soon. Logically it should have made Ichigo far more powerful than he should be.
4. True, but he could not competently control it, and his reitsu fluctuates even now. Before using Bankai, I would not put him on the level of most of the captains. A Bankai is a powerful tool...Which is why written the way it was, it made Kenny look like the weakest captain at the time. But then Kenny goes ahead and beats Tousen while Kenny has his reitsu sealed. Ghey.
5. DBZ power continuity is at least clear, it just suffers from the fact that the characters do not really seem to get more powerful.
Originally posted by yungz22That's stupid. 😐
I think wonderweiss is vasto lorde it's the only erason why he is not an espada
Aizen directly states that he is looking for Vasto Lordes to become Espada, he wants all his Espada to be Vasto Lorde.
Whatever Wonderweiss is, he is not simply a Vasto Lorde. Unless Kubo's faggotry is getting larger I mean.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. It was an estimation.
Then I'm throwing your "10 times" idea out and calling it only double. 😐 You do know that the sharpened spirit pressure from just swinging his sword, sliced a building in half, when he was about to fight Ichigo fer realz. Remember?
Originally posted by NemeBro
2. Of the arm? Sure. Can said person cut directly through the person from head to toe? No person has done this to my knowledge. It would have made some sense if Kenny was able to cut through like one of Nnoitra's Zanpakutos, but ALL eight, along with mortally wounding Nnoitra himself?
Yup. Makes perfect sense when you consider that his spirit pressure "slice" alone can slice a large building in half. 😐
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Originally posted by NemeBro
3. I don't think they should have fought that soon. Logically it should have made Ichigo far more powerful than he should be.
Agreed. You're logic is almost impeccable, usually, when it comes to Bleach.
Originally posted by NemeBro
4. True, but he could not competently control it, and his reitsu fluctuates even now. Before using Bankai, I would not put him on the level of most of the captains. A Bankai is a powerful tool...Which is why written the way it was, it made Kenny look like the weakest captain at the time. But then Kenny goes ahead and beats Tousen while Kenny has his reitsu sealed. Ghey.
No. Kenny is just that strong. As you said, Ichigo should have never beaten Kenpachi. Kenpachi is a effin' beast tank freak...and should NEVER have lost to Ichigo when he was that weak.
From what I can tell, the logic is so messed up, that you could clearly conclude that Ichigo was stronger than all captains. Then another way, Ichigo is weaker than most captains.
This is what sucks MAJORLY to me about Bleach.
Originally posted by NemeBro
5. DBZ power continuity is at least clear, it just suffers from the fact that the characters do not really seem to get more powerful.
Sort of. I disagree that it is clear. It sometimes isn't.
Originally posted by dadudemon1. True, but this does not change the fact that what he was unable to do to one of Nnoitra's Zanpakuto, he did to all of them.
Then I'm throwing your "10 times" idea out and calling it only double. 😐 You do know that the sharpened spirit pressure from just swinging his sword, sliced a building in half, when he was about to fight Ichigo fer realz. Remember?Yup. Makes perfect sense when you consider that his spirit pressure "slice" alone can slice a large building in half. 😐
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Agreed. You're logic is almost impeccable, usually, when it comes to Bleach.
No. Kenny is just that strong. As you said, Ichigo should have never beaten Kenpachi. Kenpachi is a effin' beast tank freak...and should NEVER have lost to Ichigo when he was that weak.
From what I can tell, the logic is so messed up, that you could clearly conclude that Ichigo was stronger than all captains. Then another way, Ichigo is weaker than most captains.
This is what sucks MAJORLY to me about Bleach.
Sort of. I disagree that it is clear. It sometimes isn't.
2. Clearly Nnoitra's Zanpakuto>>>>>Building. He was not able to cut directly through one single-handedly, yet he sliced directly through them all with two hands.
Pft, please, Nel Tu's are better.
3. When it comes to everything nigga. estahuh
4. True, now I am trying to justify it logically lol.
5. Hm, any examples? I have none I can think of.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. True, but this does not change the fact that what he was unable to do to one of Nnoitra's Zanpakuto, he did to all of them.2. Clearly Nnoitra's Zanpakuto>>>>>Building. He was not able to cut directly through one single-handedly, yet he sliced directly through them all with two hands.
Pft, please, Nel Tu's are better.
3. When it comes to everything nigga. estahuh
4. True, now I am trying to justify it logically lol.
5. Hm, any examples? I have none I can think of.
1. It wouldn't take more than "double" to be the difference between cutting through a blade or just clashing really hard. The difference could be just a few joules. I am dead serious. If you double the "power", and they were close to breaking his Zanpakutou, then doubling his strength would be more than enough to break through many Zanpakutou...assuming he keeps most of his momentum thoughout the slice...which he clearly does. 🙂 Physics pwned. I win teh threadsz/ 🙂
2. I agree.
3. Lulz.
4. k
5. Ichigo blocked that Shinigami executioner blade thingie, which would have destroyed ANYONE else, by the logic. Then, he blocked 100,000,000 tiny blades, almost all at once.
He moved faster than Kuchiki, who wasn't that far behind who I think is the fastest person in all of Bleach...and even moved faster than his blades, which double in speed when using his hand motions instead of just thoughts. His Bankai form transcended Flash Step...nulling it. Yet, he is outclassed by an Espada that is weaker than a person Ichigo DEFEATED!
So ****ed up.
So, we have Ichigo, who has the most spirit pressure sword hardening skill of anyone, by absurdly far, is faster than almost anyone, in Bankai form, yet, almost gets his ass handed to him by a person who should, by all intents and purposes, be weaker than just about every captain.
I think Wonderweiss is a VL and the only reason he isnt an Espada is because he's functionally retarded.
I mean, how else can you explain away him impaling Ukitake who was looking directly at him? Seen countless times characters with their swords drawn react to a character suddenly speed bursting in to attack and they counter, and sometimes it's while completely unaware of the attack until the last moment.
Originally posted by dadudemon1. Prove it. estahuh
1. It wouldn't take more than "double" to be the difference between cutting through a blade or just clashing really hard. The difference could be just a few joules. I am dead serious. If you double the "power", and they were close to breaking his Zanpakutou, then doubling his strength would be more than enough to break through many Zanpakutou...assuming he keeps most of his momentum thoughout the slice...which he clearly does. 🙂 Physics pwned. I win teh threadsz/ 🙂2. I agree.
3. Lulz.
4. k
5. Ichigo blocked that Shinigami executioner blade thingie, which would have destroyed ANYONE else, by the logic. Then, he blocked 100,000,000 tiny blades, almost all at once.
He moved faster than Kuchiki, who wasn't that far behind who I think is the fastest person in all of Bleach...and even moved faster than his blades, which double in speed when using his hand motions instead of just thoughts. His Bankai form transcended Flash Step...nulling it. Yet, he is outclassed by an Espada that is weaker than a person Ichigo DEFEATED!
So ****ed up.
So, we have Ichigo, who has the most spirit pressure sword hardening skill of anyone, by absurdly far, is faster than almost anyone, in Bankai form, yet, almost gets his ass handed to him by a person who should, by all intents and purposes, be weaker than just about every captain.
2. You better.
3. Indeed.
4. Indeed.
5. What?
No I was talking about DBZ lol.
Although I just feel it is necessary to mention, Byakuya is much slower than Yoruichi and is slower than Soifon, as well as Ukiyake, Shunsui, and Yamamoto.