Originally posted by dadudemon
5. Ichigo blocked that Shinigami executioner blade thingie, which would have destroyed ANYONE else, by the logic.
I was fully into Bleach until this exact moment. The minute they showed him casually blocking a manifested weapon more powerful (or at least it was implied) than all the Gotei 13, I just...gah!
Originally posted by NemeBro
Although I just feel it is necessary to mention, Byakuya is much slower than Yoruichi and is slower than Soifon,
Yes...but not much slower.
Originally posted by NemeBro
as well as Ukiyake,
No evidence of that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Shunsui,
No evidence of that.
Originally posted by NemeBro
and Yamamoto.
No evidence of that.
Originally posted by dadudemon1. He is much slower than Yoruichi, as proven by their encounter.
Yes...but not much slower.No evidence of that.
No evidence of that.
No evidence of that.
As for Shunsui, Ukitake, and Yamamoto, when Yama was pursuing them both, they were clearing great amounts of distance in one step, and Shunsui was able to go miles in on step instantly. Not to mention both Ukitake and Shunsui are able to react to Stark's speed. Who is much faster than Byakuya.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
I was fully into Bleach until this exact moment. The minute they showed him casually blocking a manifested weapon more powerful (or at least it was implied) than all the Gotei 13, I just...gah!
That thing was far too overhyped. Seems to me it was designed solely for stabbing and killing a person when they're defenseless.
Like "Power of a million exploding suns" with a certain Marvel character...
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. He is much slower than Yoruichi, as proven by their encounter.
"Much" is an exaggeration, which is why I said what I said.
Originally posted by NemeBro
As for Shunsui, Ukitake, and Yamamoto, when Yama was pursuing them both, they were clearing great amounts of distance in one step, and Shunsui was able to go miles in on step instantly. Not to mention both Ukitake and Shunsui are able to react to Stark's speed. Who is much faster than Byakuya.
But, where is the evidence to prove this comparison? There is none.
For things in sports, you can conclude that a team is better than another, sometimes, by using comparisons.
Like so:
Team A beats Team B. Team A performs averagely in this match-up.
Team B Beats Team C rather handily. Team B players averagely in this match-up.
Logic:
Team A can beat Team C.
And, no, flash step or shunpu is not instant. It's just really really fast "foot-gliding".
Where is the equivalent comparison for Kuchiki? I am missing this step of logic in order to conclude what you have. You could very well be wrong...but I doubt it. Just provide your logical step and I'll agree with you.
Originally posted by Eman5805
That thing was far too overhyped. Seems to me it was designed solely for stabbing and killing a person when they're defenseless.Like "Power of a million exploding suns" with a certain Marvel character...
Does everyone remember that the execution blade supposedly had the power of a million zanpaku-to? I guess they weren't very strong ones, if Ichigo could just keep his back to it without trying.
Originally posted by dadudemon1. Yoruichi easily dodged his attacks and taunted him about it.
"Much" is an exaggeration, which is why I said what I said.But, where is the evidence to prove this comparison? There is none.
For things in sports, you can conclude that a team is better than another, sometimes, by using comparisons.
Like so:
Team A beats Team B. Team A performs averagely in this match-up.
Team B Beats Team C rather handily. Team B players averagely in this match-up.
Logic:
Team A can beat Team C.And, no, flash step or shunpu is not instant. It's just really really fast "foot-gliding".
Where is the equivalent comparison for Kuchiki? I am missing this step of logic in order to conclude what you have. You could very well be wrong...but I doubt it. Just provide your logical step and I'll agree with you.
2. My logical basis?
Simple. Their feats are better.
And Stark's feat of being able to kidnap Orihime under Kenny and Bankai Ichigo's noses without them being able to do anything as he instantly brought her inside the tower(or whatever the fvck it was) in Hueco Mundo, and Shunsui and Ukitake being able to keep up with his speed, point to them being faster as well.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Does everyone remember that the execution blade supposedly had the power of a million zanpaku-to? I guess they weren't very strong ones, if Ichigo could just keep his back to it without trying.
if i remember correctly, it was Aizen who started that rumor with his "death letter", so there's a possibility that it isn't really that strong
Originally posted by XanatosForever
Does everyone remember that the execution blade supposedly had the power of a million zanpaku-to? I guess they weren't very strong ones, if Ichigo could just keep his back to it without trying.
Yeah, definetly seems like hyperbole. Though they could also mean a million of the weakest zanpakto there are. Like the one Zangetsu threw to Ichigo to fight his Hollow self for the power up when he was fighting Kenpachi.
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Yoruichi easily dodged his attacks and taunted him about it.
It is likely that he wasn't trying to really kill her. He also wasn't using his Bankai with his hands. Me thinks that that is more than fast enough to catch any user other than Bankai Ichigo.......and then everything afte the rescue Arc happened, making it even more of a logical shit mess.
Originally posted by NemeBro
2. My logical basis?Simple. Their feats are better.
And Stark's feat of being able to kidnap Orihime under Kenny and Bankai Ichigo's noses without them being able to do anything as he instantly brought her inside the tower(or whatever the fvck it was) in Hueco Mundo, and Shunsui and Ukitake being able to keep up with his speed, point to them being faster as well.
Los Noches is the name.
And, I'm still not feelin' this logic. It just doesn't sit well with me. To me, that was just a plot device and actually contradicts logic. #8 was supposed to be the fastest and he has a "speed" feat that causes clones.
And Ichigo should have been able to easily follow Stark, but Kubo long since has gimped Ichigo so there would be a plot.
What would happen if Ichigo used flash step while in Bankai mode? 🙂
Originally posted by dadudemon1. Uh-huh, I guess him cutting apart her after-image really implied he was not trying to kill her. Also, who the hell mentioned his Bankai? He did not even use that. That is also not Byakuya's personal speed.
It is likely that he wasn't trying to really kill her. He also wasn't using his Bankai with his hands. Me thinks that that is more than fast enough to catch any user other than Bankai Ichigo.......and then everything afte the rescue Arc happened, making it even more of a logical shit mess.Los Noches is the name.
And, I'm still not feelin' this logic. It just doesn't sit well with me. To me, that was just a plot device and actually contradicts logic. #8 was supposed to be the fastest and he has a "speed" feat that causes clones.
And Ichigo should have been able to easily follow Stark, but Kubo long since has gimped Ichigo so there would be a plot.
What would happen if Ichigo used flash step while in Bankai mode? 🙂
2. Ukitake and Shunsui still have better feats. 😬
Zommari claimed he was fastest. Clearly, it was a lie.
SHOULDA COULDA WOULDA. Wishful thinking, he could not follow Stark, it is canon. Kubo's ineptitude as a writer or not.
3. What the hell makes you think he already isn't? 😐
Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Uh-huh, I guess him cutting apart her after-image really implied he was not trying to kill her. Also, who the hell mentioned his Bankai? He did not even use that. That is also not Byakuya's personal speed.
I mentioned it. 😐
Using his Bankai with his hands is faster than he can move his body because he can keep up with spaz Bankai Ichigo.
And, yes it is his personal speed...because their Zanpakutous are en extension of their spirit. 😐 They ARE the user.
And, if you didn't notice, I pwned myself right after that point, making my point stupid, because Ichigo's speed is never the same from Arc to Arc.
Originally posted by NemeBro
2. Ukitake and Shunsui still have better feats. 😬
I know..their feets help them travel really fast. 😆
Originally posted by NemeBro
Zommari claimed he was fastest. Clearly, it was a lie.
Nah. He was the fastest. The end.
Originally posted by NemeBro
SHOULDA COULDA WOULDA. Wishful thinking, he could not follow Stark, it is canon. Kubo's ineptitude as a writer or not.
True. You win. I owe you a beer because I am defeated.
Originally posted by NemeBro
3. What the hell makes you think he already isn't? 😐
Cause I remember him saying that flash step is useless or some shit when in Bankai. Or something about not having to use flash step. It was so many years ago....it's just vague flashes of memories.
There is no way in hell Yoruichi is much faster than Byakuya based on that one "fight"...
Dodging a couple of attacks then having a couple of her attacks dodged does in no way indicate superiority for either of them. Just like saying stuff to your opponent does not mean that you are superior. Trash talk means absolutely -nothing-
Based on that fight? How about based on some Fridge Logic (I need to lay off the TVTropin'😉? We KNOW they played shunpo tag way back in the day and Byakuya pretty much confirmed he could never catch her. And that she taught HIM flash step moves that he still uses to this day.
And then there's his inability to catch her while carrying Ichigo like already said.
Yourichi's faster than Byakuya, maybe not by a lot, but she is.
Originally posted by Eman5805
Based on that fight? How about based on some Fridge Logic (I need to lay off the TVTropin'😉? We KNOW they played shunpo tag way back in the day and Byakuya pretty much confirmed he could never catch her. And that she taught HIM flash step moves that he still uses to this day.And then there's his inability to catch her while carrying Ichigo like already said.
Yourichi's faster than Byakuya, maybe not by a lot, but she is.
This is correct. 👆
Originally posted by Eman5805
Based on that fight? How about based on some Fridge Logic (I need to lay off the TVTropin'😉? We KNOW they played shunpo tag way back in the day and Byakuya pretty much confirmed he could never catch her. And that she taught HIM flash step moves that he still uses to this day.And then there's his inability to catch her while carrying Ichigo like already said.
Yourichi's faster than Byakuya, maybe not by a lot, but she is.
No such thing as too much Tropin'. 😉