Originally posted by stickman618
i really don't see what the big deal is, no good guys have died so far, Aizen's the one with all the losses, he's down, what, 20? the good guys might have lost one right now, still looks like a win to meif Aizen wasn't so confident he should be like; "Oh sh1t, oh sh1t, they just defeated my entire army... what am i gonna do now? i didn't even get one!!! how could this happen??"
I didn't get from Aizen at all that he lost anything. In fact, to me, it seems like Aizen planned this the whole time.
And, we see Ichigo coming back. Looks like he has some sort of dark energy thing going on on his way back. Did he master his new vizard level II form? (lol) I'm not saying that he is level II there, I'm saying that it is the residual effects of it.
And, that means that Yammy was defeated if Ichigo is coming back like that. So, are we going to get a story fill-in of how he was defeated? I hope so!
Originally posted by NemeBro
If anyone but Unohana beat him its automatically gay.
Actually, no, Ulq and Ichigo, thus far, have shown to the be most powerful characters in the series, to date. If Yammy was more powerful than second release Ulq, then Ichigo, depending on how strong he is, might still have a chance against Yammy. Ichigo basically played with Ulq in his second release form. (That's a tad ambiguous, but, actually "second release" can refer to both of them.)
And, yeah, I agree. Unohana should have won. I want to see why Shunsui and Ukitake get worked up about pissing her off.
Originally posted by XanatosForever
That was pretty good, but Gin still annoys the **** out of me. I can't wait for him to die.
He's Dante x Orochimaru. A weird way for me to describe him; but damn the guy is kick-ass. Easily cutting a Vizard in half like that. Didn't even have to open his eyes.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I didn't get from Aizen at all that he lost anything. In fact, to me, it seems like Aizen planned this the whole time.And, we see Ichigo coming back. Looks like he has some sort of dark energy thing going on on his way back. Did he master his new vizard level II form? (lol) I'm not saying that he is level II there, I'm saying that it is the residual effects of it.
And, that means that Yammy was defeated if Ichigo is coming back like that. So, are we going to get a story fill-in of how he was defeated? I hope so!
Indeed. If Aizen is more powerful than all of them combined, it's akin to shedding useless skin, he no longer needs them.
I thought it was the remnants of his Bankai clothing?
Originally posted by dadudemonNo they aren't.
Actually, no, Ulq and Ichigo, thus far, have shown to the be most powerful characters in the series, to date. If Yammy was more powerful than second release Ulq, then Ichigo, depending on how strong he is, might still have a chance against Yammy. Ichigo basically played with Ulq in his second release form. (That's a tad ambiguous, but, actually "second release" can refer to both of them.)And, yeah, I agree. Unohana should have won. I want to see why Shunsui and Ukitake get worked up about pissing her off.
Aizen is outright challenging several Captains and Lieutenants at once...And they are afraid to so much as go near him. Love, Hachi, Shinji, Rose, Soifon, Toshiro, Lisa, and Hiyori, are all hesitant to battle him, eight to one. Not to mention Aizen was able to, effortlessly, overpower the Sixth Espada by flexing his Reitsu, Grimmjow and Ichigo are about the same level, and Ichigo was not overwhelmed by Ulquiorra's massive reitsu, although he was still effortlessly defeated. Yamamoto is about the same level as Aizen, most likely.
Ulquiorra's raw power means little to nothing compared to Barragan, who was the undisputed king of Hueco Mundo.
Starrk's Reitsu was so absurdly powerful that Hollows around him simply died in his presence.
Yammy is supposed to be stronger than Barragan and Starrk.
Now I know why you think that Ulquiorra may be stronger than Barragan and Starrk, the Primera. Thing is, in Hueco Mundo, a Hollow/Arrancar's powers are amplified, Barragan and Starrk would be even stronger there.
Also, I don't think Ichigo even was around when Yammy used his Resurrecion.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No they aren't.
The fastest and most energetic feats have come from both of them.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Aizen is outright challenging several Captains and Lieutenants at once...And they are afraid to so much as go near him. Love, Hachi, Shinji, Rose, Soifon, Toshiro, Lisa, and Hiyori, are all hesitant to battle him, eight to one. Not to mention Aizen was able to, effortlessly, overpower the Sixth Espada by flexing his Reitsu, Grimmjow and Ichigo are about the same level, and Ichigo was not overwhelmed by Ulquiorra's massive reitsu, although he was still effortlessly defeated. Yamamoto is about the same level as Aizen, most likely.
It's NOT because of Aizen being godly powerful, it's his damn haxor blade.
And, Ulq's reiatesu eclipsed anything seen, to date...cept probably Ichigo's. 😐
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ulquiorra's raw power means little to nothing compared to Barragan, who was the undisputed king of Hueco Mundo.
Do you have evidence of Barringan knowing about Ulq's second release? I'd venture to guess that only Yammy knew about it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Starrk's Reitsu was so absurdly powerful that Hollows around him simply died in his presence.
Great. No captain seemed to even fetter, though, around Stark. However, Ukitake and Shunsui certainly felt the effects of Yamamoto's. So, he doesn't compare to Yamamoto.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yammy is supposed to be stronger than Barragan and Starrk.
Yeah. He's supposed to. And, Ulq has the greatest explosion feat in all of Bleach. Second is a very close behind Ichigo. The explosions for each seemed to be very fast...I highly doubt Barringan's decayer powers are fast enough to keep up with the explosiveness of those blasts. We can only wait and see for the Anime to see how fast the fader is.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Now I know why you think that Ulquiorra may be stronger than Barragan and Starrk, the Primera. Thing is, in Hueco Mundo, a Hollow/Arrancar's powers are amplified, Barragan and Starrk would be even stronger there.Also, I don't think Ichigo even was around when Yammy used his Resurrecion.
He should be right above them on the roof of Los Noches. (Right above is a slight misnomer as the roof of Hueco Mundo is as tall as a scyscraper. Still, Ichigo should easily be able to feel that massive Reiatesu.)
Originally posted by yungz22
death of HIYORI another thing who is going to fight tousen because i dont see anyone here winning against his bankai
Yamamoto could. Just flex his shikai reaitsu and they'd have touson on toast =\
But valid point. I suppose it will be one of the stronger captains? Since it's pretty much been established the vizard are useless in comparison ;p
Originally posted by EvilAngel
It almost certainly will happen. Since Tousen is the only one who is immune to Aizens Shikai
He's deluded imo. Not because he is following the 'villain', but because he must also know that Aizen will use violence to achieve his goals if necessary. Aizen's path is the one with the most bloodshed due to the resistance from the Gotei 13 and the Vizard.
If Aizen did not exist, or if he were taken captive, then there would be much less violence. I'm hoping Tousen realizes this quickly >__>.
Even if he is immune to Aizen's shikai, he still has to contend with Aizen's mastery of Kido, speed, swordsmanship & Bankai. Tousen has a really powerful bankai, but I don't know if Tousen would be able to capitalize. Aizen must know of the bankai's weakness, and he'd have to be quite close to Tousen for the bankai to take effect.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
He's deluded imo. Not because he is following the 'villain', but because he must also know that Aizen will use violence to achieve his goals if necessary. Aizen's path is the one with the most bloodshed due to the resistance from the Gotei 13 and the Vizard.If Aizen did not exist, or if he were taken captive, then there would be much less violence. I'm hoping Tousen realizes this quickly >__>.
I don't think that's it.
He doesn't like how SS works, e.g. Kenpachi was allowed to Kill his former captain. Tousen see's this as brutal and ridiculous.
Apparently Aizen has offered him something that would in his eyes make all the bloodshed worth it. Or he's just afraid of Aizen.
One way or another i suppose he will switch sides at somepoint i think
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I don't think that's it.He doesn't like how SS works, e.g. Kenpachi was allowed to Kill his former captain. Tousen see's this as brutal and ridiculous.
Apparently Aizen has offered him something that would in his eyes make all the bloodshed worth it. Or he's just afraid of Aizen.
One way or another i suppose he will switch sides at somepoint i think
He should know by now that once Aizen no longer needs him, Aizen'll get rid of him. Unless Aizen himself is afraid of Tousen and/or thinks that Tousen's zanpaktou could be a powerful ace.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Anything and everything has faults. Aizen's path does too. SS may have some aspects that are ridiculous, but that does not mean that he should aid someone as ruthless as Aizen on his quest to become a god.He should know by now that once Aizen no longer needs him, Aizen'll get rid of him. Unless Aizen himself is afraid of Tousen and/or thinks that Tousen's zanpaktou could be a powerful ace.
I did think about this.
Tousen's Bankai is just an uber form of Aizen's shikai. In addition, it also blocks the sense of "reiatesu", as well. It does leave the sense of touch, though, so it is still 5 senses...just one of them is a supernatural sense.
In that aspect you could say Tousen's is superior.
I don't know how many people it can affect, but it looks like the effect is inside those large rings he threw out...?
So, yeah, Aizen should be just as susceptible as any one else to Tousen's Bankai. Are we to assume that Aizen is everybit as good of a oddball swordsman as Kenpachi? I don't think anyone else has the natural instincts of sword-play like Kenpachi....he's just.....unique. I highly doubt Aizen would allow himself to get stabbed just so he could grab Tousen. Does Aizen have reflexes fast enough to react as well as Kenpachi? I'd say so.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I did think about this.Tousen's Bankai is just an uber form of Aizen's shikai. In addition, it also blocks the sense of "reiatesu", as well. It does leave the sense of touch, though, so it is still 5 senses...just one of them is a supernatural sense.
In that aspect you could say Tousen's is superior.
Indeed. I have always thought of Tousen as having a very, very powerful bankai.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't know how many people it can affect, but it looks like the effect is inside those large rings he threw out...?
Most likely. Though for the person inside the 'void' it could seem endless. They even lose their "sense of direction". The black dome could be a physical structure acting as a boundary.
Originally posted by dadudemon
So, yeah, Aizen should be just as susceptible as any one else to Tousen's Bankai. Are we to assume that Aizen is everybit as good of a oddball swordsman as Kenpachi? I don't think anyone else has the natural instincts of sword-play like Kenpachi....he's just.....unique. I highly doubt Aizen would allow himself to get stabbed just so he could grab Tousen. Does Aizen have reflexes fast enough to react as well as Kenpachi? I'd say so.
I presume that Aizen would know of the weaknesses of Tousen's bankai.
Tousen would also have to be close to Aizen for the effect to take place.
Even then, it is still quite a fearsome ability to face, much more so if the victim does not know of the weaknesses. Tousen could easily kill this opponent unless CIS occurs or the victim somehow has an abnormally strong hierro.
imo Aizen would much rather have it on his side than face it. If Aizen were to face Tousen, his best chance would be to kill Tousen before Tousen could activate his bankai. Unless Aizen's bankai contains like a lot more HAX abilities.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Indeed. I have always thought of Tousen as having a very, very powerful bankai.Most likely. Though for the person inside the 'void' it could seem endless. They even lose their "sense of direction". The black dome could be a physical structure acting as a boundary.
I presume that Aizen would know of the weaknesses of Tousen's bankai.
Tousen would also have to be close to Aizen for the effect to take place.Even then, it is still quite a fearsome ability to face, much more so if the victim does not know of the weaknesses. Tousen could easily kill this opponent unless CIS occurs or the victim somehow has an abnormally strong hierro.
imo Aizen would much rather have it on his side than face it. If Aizen were to face Tousen, his best chance would be to kill Tousen before Tousen could activate his bankai. Unless Aizen's bankai contains like a lot more HAX abilities.
Agreed on all points.