The Official BLEACH series Thread

Originally posted by NemeBro
Yamamoto, Unohana, Shunsui, Ukitake, and Aizen are much more powerful than the average captain, with Kenpachi having much more reiryoku than the average captain.

Aizen has double the average captain. Ichigo has double the average captain.

And, according to the databook and Ukkitake's and Shunsui's fears, Unohana is supposed to be uber when she's serious. Yamamoto...goes without saying.

Originally posted by NemeBro
It means little, and unless Kubo truly is an idiot, then Ichigo is chanceless.

It means something, actually.

Means Ichigo is on level, in terms of spirit power, with Aizen.

Ichigo, with some training, could be every bit as awesome as Aizen...especially if Ichigo gets to keep his Naruto-esque uber fast learning ability. However, that won't happen until after Narut...I mean Ichigo beats Aizen. I wish that Ichigo would just get some time to learn all of the good stuff like Kido. Ichigo is supposed to be really smart in the real world. His grades were always top notch, even though he was practically a thug. So, he's not an idiot like Naruto.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Uh-huh, no.

The first feat has long been rendered invalid, by being the one that "fits" least, his feats afterwards are far more consistent, it is the first one that makes the least sense. So it is the odd one out, and the one to be disregarded. How apparently you can be as intelligent as you seem to think you are and not understand this concept is beyond me.

Uh-huh, no.

The first feat shows Kenpachi going all out and almost losing his life. As Ichigo got stronger, Kenpachi seems to be putting out feats far beyond his original level, without showing Kenpachi training like a mad man.

And, your logic is reversed. You are running it backwards when it cannot be done that way. It has to be run forward. The SUBSEQUENT feats are out of line. Here's a hint: it's not debatable.

Unless you can prove with a direct confirmation that Kenpahci:

1. Gets stronger, faster than Ichigo. (Not anywhere in canon. Not anywhere in the Anime.)
2. Trained like a mad man until he got to Hueco Mundo. (Not in the manga, and not in the aime.)

The first feat still stands (cause you can't erase it) and all the others are obviously PIS. It's obvious to everyone else except for you. Why is that?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Aizen has double the average captain. Ichigo has double the average captain.

And, according to the databook and Ukkitake's and Shunsui's fears, Unohana is supposed to be uber when she's serious. Yamamoto...goes without saying.

It means something, actually.

Means Ichigo is on level, in terms of spirit power, with Aizen.

Ichigo, with some training, could be every bit as awesome as Aizen...especially if Ichigo gets to keep his Naruto-esque uber fast learning ability. However, that won't happen until after Narut...I mean Ichigo beats Aizen. I wish that Ichigo would just get some time to learn all of the good stuff like Kido. Ichigo is supposed to be really smart in the real world. His grades were always top notch, even though he was practically a thug. So, he's not an idiot like Naruto.

I know. When did I ever contest that? Why even bring it up?

2. No, it means he has an impressive Reiryoku, not that they are necessarily on the same level.

Some training? Let's work out a comparison for both then! Let's see...Aizen has with one hand stopped a blow from Sajin, grabbing his sword, then easily best him with a level 90 I believe Kido spell, no incantation. Aizen is very fast, faster than Bankai Ichigo most likely, he is a master of Kido, comparable to Tessai (Though I admit probably less so), the former Kido Captain who possessed spells that warped time and space, he had a Reiryoku that could bring Grimmjow to his knees, he has one of the most broken abilities in the series, and that is merely his Shikai, one that Ichigo cannot realistically avoid, and his finger can stop theme songs. How does Ichigo compare?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Hahaha no they are not.

Barragan is faster than Ulquiorra, and is stronger. His Respira would kill him in one attack, and Ulquiorra's so-called nuke is so pathetically innaccurate it means nothing, and Barragan can literally disolve it in midair at range. Barragan will need nothing but Respira to kill Ulquiorra, and it will catch him, Ulquiorra is slower than Soifon.

Wow. This is just full of Baraggan fanboyism.

1. No, Ulq's ultimate blast attack thingie is far more powerful than Soifon's attack. It is the most powerful attack seen in the series, by far. It is extremely energetic and expanded almost instantly.

2. You have no evidence to say that Baraggan is faster than Ulq. None. Whatsoever.

3. Ulq's attack should do just fine to completely obliterate Baraggan cause of 3 reasons:

a: Ulq's attack was much much larger and more powerful than Soifon's bankai.

b: Soifon's attack is slower in "explosive" expansion.

c: Baraggan's death cloud will most certainly not keep up with Ulq's explosive attack. It couldn't keep up with Soifon's attack. Why would it keep up with an attack that is obviously faster and many times more powerful?

Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, because it is not like Barragan can fight at range, oh wait, he can, he can use Respira. Starrk is faster I will give you, but Barragan's powers allow him to defeat most ranged attacks, unless he is boxed in when attack by an explosion. And like everyone else, he can kill them with one attack. He's Espada 1? Yes, he is, kind of like how Ulquiorra is Espada 4, yet you think he is stronger than Barragan, Espada 2, double standard?

I tend to think that Ulq second release is #1. He seems faster than all others. Obviously, far more powerful with his ultimate attack (which could easily defeat Baraggan). He also kept his ultra fast regen abilities, too. He also has unparalleled spirit pressure...cept for Ichigo? (And thats' questionable as to whether or not Ulq was just referring to Ichigo's spirit pressure as a Vizard BEFORE Ulq does a second release, or whether or not Ulq was referring to their states, period.)

Second release Ulq is #1 (or 0, if you want to think that pathetic version of Yammy counts.) Followed by Baraggan. I don't see Starrk overcoming Baraggan's hack ability. The only way to beat Baraggan, that I see, is a very very fast and powerful attack (something faster and more powerful than Soifon's attack, like Ulq's ultimate attack), or hypnotizing like Aizen did.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Uh-huh, no.

The first feat shows Kenpachi going all out and almost losing his life. As Ichigo got stronger, Kenpachi seems to be putting out feats far beyond his original level, without showing Kenpachi training like a mad man.

And, your logic is reversed. You are running it backwards when it cannot be done that way. It has to be run forward. The SUBSEQUENT feats are out of line. Here's a hint: it's not debatable.

Unless you can prove with a direct confirmation that Kenpahci:

1. Gets stronger, faster than Ichigo. (Not anywhere in canon. Not anywhere in the Anime.)
2. Trained like a mad man until he got to Hueco Mundo. (Not in the manga, and not in the aime.)

The first feat still stands (cause you can't erase it) and all the others are obviously PIS. It's obvious to everyone else except for you. Why is that?

Recent feats generally take precedence over older ones.

So.

We have one showing that is not consistent.

And subsequent feats are not consistent.

Yet, we ignore the feats that heavily outweigh the most inconsistent feat? I loled.

Obvious to everyone? Who is everyone? Appealing to popularity fallacy? Lawl.

Obviously, the so-called "everyone" is wrong.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Wow. This is just full of Baraggan fanboyism.

1. No, Ulq's ultimate blast attack thingie is far more powerful than Soifon's attack. It is the most powerful attack seen in the series, by far. It is extremely energetic and expanded almost instantly.

2. You have no evidence to say that Baraggan is faster than Ulq. None. Whatsoever.

3. Ulq's attack should do just fine to completely obliterate Baraggan cause of 3 reasons:

a: Ulq's attack was much much larger and more powerful than Soifon's bankai.

b: Soifon's attack is slower in "explosive" expansion.

c: Baraggan's death cloud will most certainly not keep up with Ulq's explosive attack. It couldn't keep up with Soifon's attack. Why would it keep up with an attack that is obviously faster and many times more powerful?

I tend to think that Ulq second release is #1. He seems faster than all others. Obviously, far more powerful with his ultimate attack (which could easily defeat Baraggan). He also kept his ultra fast regen abilities, too. He also has unparalleled spirit pressure...cept for Ichigo? (And thats' questionable as to whether or not Ulq was just referring to Ichigo's spirit pressure as a Vizard BEFORE Ulq does a second release, or whether or not Ulq was referring to their states, period.)

Second release Ulq is #1 (or 0, if you want to think that pathetic version of Yammy counts.) Followed by Baraggan. I don't see Starrk overcoming Baraggan's hack ability. The only way to beat Baraggan, that I see, is a very very fast and powerful attack (something faster and more powerful than Soifon's attack, like Ulq's ultimate attack), or hypnotizing like Aizen did.

2. Other than he was clearly faster than Soifon while he was sealed? Soifon who had speed to keep up with Yoruichi? What feats does Ulquiorra have to say he is faster? Oh, and keep in mind that all of Ulquiorra's feats were in Hueco Mundo, where a Hollow/Arrancar's powers are amplified, in case you did not know that.

3. a. Granted, but it will not have the benefit of being used on a boxed-in Barragan.

b. Because you can prove that, right?

c. Are you ****ing high? It intercepted Soifon's attack, leaving Barragan completely unharmed, and was faster than Soifon herself.

1. Starrk is much faster, based on feats. Barragan is faster as well. Ulquiorra has a more powerful attack (Why everyone is ignoring the fact that he couldn't hit someone who was twenty feet away with it and its shit accuracy I cannot say). Regen? Won't help when his entire body is aging to bone. Ulquiorra's pressure is overrated, Starrk, Aizen, and Yamamoto both have better feats with their spiritual power.

2. Ulquiorra's attack could not hit the side of a barn, why is everyone ignoring this?

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Oh? And...Where did you get this? Do not answer, I know where, it is from when Aizen commented that for a being with double the Reiryoku of the average captain, you can use the orb to create Arrancar. But he never said he actually has merely double the Reiryoku of a captain, not once, it was meant to hype his own Reiryoku, yes, but not assign a real limit to it. I never had a problem with Ichigo having twice that of an average captain.

I know. When did I ever contest that? Why even bring it up?

Ah. I get it. So, you're wrong and can't admit fault.

Aizen has double. So does Ichigo. The end.

Originally posted by NemeBro
2. No, it means he has an impressive Reiryoku, not that they are necessarily on the same level.

Some training? Let's work out a comparison for both then! Let's see...Aizen has with one hand stopped a blow from Sajin, grabbing his sword, then easily best him with a level 90 I believe Kido spell, no incantation. Aizen is very fast, faster than Bankai Ichigo most likely, he is a master of Kido, comparable to Tessai (Though I admit probably less so), the former Kido Captain who possessed spells that warped time and space, he had a Reiryoku that could bring Grimmjow to his knees, he has one of the most broken abilities in the series, and that is merely his Shikai, one that Ichigo cannot realistically avoid, and his finger can stop theme songs. How does Ichigo compare?

1. I've already stated that Giving Ichigo the same level of Reiryoku as Aizen was rather retarded, unless Kubo is implying that Ichigo has come this far from the beginning of the series. I'm fine with the latter.

2. It cannot be proven or disproven that full powered Bankai Ichigo is slower or faster than Aizen. You do know that Soifon and Yoruichi surrounded him rather fast, don't you? (Making it a possibility that Aizen is not as fast as the super fast peeps, but faster than just about everyone else) Now, no logical comparison can be made to show Ichigo's Bankai speed is faster than Soifon/Yoruichi or slower. I can't think of any comparison, no matter how complex that completes a logical circle or tree to indicate that. We only know that Yoruichi was called the Goddess of Flash and was faster than Kuchiki, who is supposed to be really effin' fast, while she was Carrying Ichigo. We know Ichigo in Bankai form, full powered, is supposed to be much faster than Kuchiki. That's it. There is no way to connect the dots between the two. Furthermore, Soifon and Yoruichi being faster than Aizen is only one possibility to explain why they surrounded him so fast.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Furthermore, Soifon and Yoruichi being faster than Aizen is only one possibility to explain why they surrounded him so fast.

One possibility is right. Aizen's rather proud of and confident in his plans. It's possible he just let them surround him.

Originally posted by NemeBro
And are the most consistent feats, thus the most applicable ones. 🙂

Consistant to themselves, yes, but not consistant with his first "all-out feat."

Originally posted by NemeBro
Recent feats generally take precedence over older ones.

Unless they are illogical and create continuity problems. In which case, they are relagated to writing problems.

Originally posted by NemeBro
So.

We have one showing that is not consistent.

And subsequent feats are not consistent.

Yet, we ignore the feats that heavily outweigh the most inconsistent feat? I loled..

I know you're not the brightest person, but try to keep up.

We've already been over why Nnoitra was #5 and Grimmjow was #6, despite Grimmjow being faster. It is more likely that there was no scaling mistake at all and Kenpachi didn't get any stronger. For someone as strong as Kenpachi to NOT be able to get through Nnoitra's Hierro, even if Kenpachi wasn't serious business at the time with a patch, shoud prove that very few people would do jack, even full powered, to Nnoitra. I highly doubt those tiny blades of Kuchiki's would have even scratched Nnoitra's hierro, just as an example. Nnoitra also had plenty of physical strength to spare (who was/is physically stronger....Yammy in 0 form?) If you take those into account, Nnoitra would be a challenge to anyone other than Reiryoku giants like Yamamoto, Ichigo, and Kenpachi. (Though, it was implied that Kuchiki had higher spiritual pressure than Kenpachi...I just don't see those tiny blades doing jack to Nnoitra.)

Kenpachi was the perfect match for Nnoitra. (Maybe Mayuri's Bankai poisen gas.)

However, that's only one explanation. The other explanation is Kubo just gave Kenpachi an Amp to keep the character involved. 😬 That's most likely the answer (as it is far simpler.)

Originally posted by NemeBro
Obvious to everyone? Who is everyone? Appealing to popularity fallacy? Lawl.

Obviously, the so-called "everyone" is wrong.

Yup. You're the only person I know that thinks what you do about Kenpachi. For starters, it's a stretch to even conclude what you have. On top of it, it acknowledges continuity errors (unintentionally)...which is the same exact perspective I have on it.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Because I totally said Soifon's attack was more powerful, amirite? I know you are not particularly bright, but try to pay attention, kay? Expanded almost instantly? Based on a manga panel? 😐

Wow. You totally missed the whole point of me mentioning that, didn't you?

Did I ever say that you said that Soifon's attack was more powerful?

No.

Did you misinterpret my post to conclude that I said you said that to make a smug statement?

Yes.

Did you miss that "no" was in general to your post about Baraggan being more powerful than Ulq?

Yes.

Did you miss that all of that points were a logical thought process which depended on the preceding points?

Yes.

Now do you see why I think you are the one that should try and keep up?

Also, it is up to you to prove that the attack was very very slow. I think that the attack expanded at an absurd rate considering it didn't happen just once but twice and it was always uber fast. Or, do you think they waited 3-4 seconds for the attack to expand between the two panels? (You do know that it would have to have expanded at a rate far faster than a nuclear blast, don't you? You see how long it takes for a nuclear weapon to expand to the size it does. Ulq's seems to get there instantly. Even if you want to pretend that the blast traveled at exactly the speed of sound, that's still as fast as a Nuclear blast. (The initial blast does travel at hypersonic speeds but it slows down at an incredibly fast rate to reach the speed of sound...this all occurs within fractions of a second...to within a couple of seconds...depending on the energy of the blast.) Knowing this, a nuclear blast wouldn't get that large in 3 or 4 seconds.

So, try and sell me on why this blast thing is supposed to get that large and they wait around for 30 or so seconds to watch it expand to that size, in between one panel and another.

I'd be glad to hear your side of it. You're very convinced, apparently, that the blast expanded slowly.

Originally posted by NemeBro
2. Other than he was clearly faster than Soifon while he was sealed? Soifon who had speed to keep up with Yoruichi? What feats does Ulquiorra have to say he is faster? Oh, and keep in mind that all of Ulquiorra's feats were in Hueco Mundo, where a Hollow/Arrancar's powers are amplified, in case you did not know that.

Other than Ulq outclassing Ichigo so absurdly on speed, even in Vizard-bankai combo, there is no evidence to say who is faster. I'm just more inclined to believe that our main character, who is supposed to be uber, would be on level with Soifon in bankai mode, alone. You know, the mode that made Kuchiki look like a chump. You know, the same Kuchiki that was just a few steps behind Yoruhichi when she was carrying Ichigo.

If you want to believe that Baraggan is faster. Go ahead. It is baseless and most likely wrong.

Bankai-Vizard Ichigo should be the fastest character in the series...until we get to Ulq or Starrk.

Originally posted by NemeBro
3. a. Granted, but it will not have the benefit of being used on a boxed-in Barragan.

Point "a" alone is not enough to be correct. It requires the additional logic previously mentioned to be correct.

Originally posted by NemeBro
b. Because you can prove that, right?

Sure can. By your logic, it should be far slower than Ulq's attack. 🙂

Here she "fires" it:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c360/18.html

Here it is, traveling:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c361/

Here it is traveling even more:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c361/2.html

Here it is, traveling for 2 more panels and it finally makes contact:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c361/3.html

And, here's the aftermath of the attack with no building below it, destroyed:
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c361/7.html

So, what did we learn?

By your logic, her attack is many many times slower than Ulq's. It took 8 panels for her attack to reach Baraggan. When it did, the eplosion wasn't anywhere even close to Ulq's in initial blast/explosion. In fact, Soifon is rather close, as we see on page 3.

We also learn that the attack wasn't very energetic as the buildings remain intake, cept for the ones Fatty and Soifon smash into. Look at the aftermath picture: not one building beneath is even damaged. And, the attack itself didn't expand at all (as you can see by the smoke stuff).

Now, let's look at Ulq's, shall we?

http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v41/c351/7.html

First panel, he throws it.

Second panel, it's almost already at Ichigo.

Third panel, it's already passed ichigo and in the distance.

2.5 panels. 😆

Then, 2 panels passes as the attack travels into the distance.

At the third panel, a massive explosion occurs. The largest one seen in bleach, by far. And, it's just starting.

Compared to Soifon's attack, it is far faster and far more energetic, especially considering that Ulq was supposed to be far enough away to avoid the explosion. (As seen here: http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v41/c351/6.html )

In other words, no matter how you try to justify it, Ulq's attack was far far more powerful and far faster than Soifon's.

Originally posted by NemeBro
c. Are you ****ing high? It intercepted Soifon's attack, leaving Barragan completely unharmed, and was faster than Soifon herself.

No matter how dramatic you get about it, it took Baraggan quite a long time to recover from that attack.

😐

On top of that, the explosion occured MUCH closer to Baraggan than it did Soifon. Baraggan comes out of the smoke, bro.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c364/11.html

On top of that, this panel says the explosion occured far away from Baraggan, despite the appearance that the "missile" was rather close. I guess far aware is like...10 meters?
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c369/17.html

Here is a panel that occured after Soifon's attack and after quite a bit of fighting that occured between Starrk, Shunsui and Ukitake.
http://www.mangafox.com/manga/bleach/v42/c364/3.html

So, I guess we can say it took him quite a bit to revive from that, huh? Why wouldn't they be able to feel his Reitesu? It is quite immense, no doubt. You'll have to bridge that gap for us stupid people, here.

Originally posted by NemeBro
1. Starrk is much faster, based on feats. Barragan is faster as well. Ulquiorra has a more powerful attack (Why everyone is ignoring the fact that he couldn't hit someone who was twenty feet away with it and its shit accuracy I cannot say). Regen? Won't help when his entire body is aging to bone. Ulquiorra's pressure is overrated, Starrk, Aizen, and Yamamoto both have better feats with their spiritual power.

Nah. Starrk is not faster, based on feats.

There are several moments that several people travel instantly. Going by your logic, it might have taken Starrk a few minutes after he took Inoue.

By feats, Starrk being the fastest is definitely debatable and almost baseless. There are several others that have what appears as instant travel. Ulq, for one, did it several times in his second fight with Ichigo. Starrk did it in his released form again Ukitake, but Ukitake knew he was there, right as he was appearing. We can say Ukitake is faster than Ichigo, sure. But there's not logical connection to assume Starrk was any faster than Ulq. We both know that Ichigo is supposed to be absurdly fast in bankai form. Ulq made it as though Ichigo was molasses.

Granted Ukitake may very well be faster, but that's baseless. All we know is out of two really faster characters, Ichigo and Ukitake, Ulq made Ichigo look like more of a fool.

Originally posted by NemeBro
2. Ulquiorra's attack could not hit the side of a barn, why is everyone ignoring this?

Yeah, cause Ichigo DODGING the attack in a form that made Ulq look slow makes Ulq a bad shot.

😐

I apologize for all of the errors in advance. I don't feel like going back over this post.

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
One possibility is right. Aizen's rather proud of and confident in his plans. It's possible he just let them surround him.

Yup. I agree. That was another one of the possabilities. However, why didn't Soifon and Yoruichi execute him right then and there? He killed the central 40 (or whatever their title is), and did tons and tons of bad stuff. There would be no doubt that death would be his sentence.

It was a plot point, IMO, that they didn't execute him then and there. How would the story progress? 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Yup. I agree. That was another one of the possabilities. However, why didn't Soifon and Yoruichi execute him right then and there? He killed the central 40 (or whatever their title is), and did tons and tons of bad stuff. There would be no doubt that death would be his sentence.

It was a plot point, IMO, that they didn't execute him then and there. How would the story progress? 🙂

Though in such a case, I believe that they would have had to have left the decision to Yamamoto (which no doubt would have been death). Killing him themselves is akin to taking matters into their own hands and is like an act of treason.

They also needed Aizen to explain his actions. They don't follow a 'Kill first, ask questions later' approach imo.

ok so far there can only be one possible vasto lord and thats wonderweiss.
reason’s
1: he is only using his hands and is doing alot(: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/376/12/).
2: before aizen turn him into a Arrancar he still had the resemblance of a human (:http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/229/12-13/).
3: also when starrk has saw him he was pretty surpised and the commment he said(http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/08/)
4: wonderweiss has no know espada number(if you read the manga you should of already known this)

They didn't immediately kill aizen because that's not how justice works.

Originally posted by yungz22
ok so far there can only be one possible vasto lord and thats wonderweiss.
reason’s
1: he is only using his hands and is doing alot(: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/376/12/).
2: before aizen turn him into a Arrancar he still had the resemblance of a human (:http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/229/12-13/).
3: also when starrk has saw him he was pretty surpised and the commment he said(http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/08/)
4: wonderweiss has no know espada number(if you read the manga you should of already known this)

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
True enough.

Though in such a case, I believe that they would have had to have left the decision to Yamamoto (which no doubt would have been death). Killing him themselves is akin to taking matters into their own hands and is like an act of treason.

They also needed Aizen to explain his actions. They don't follow a 'Kill first, ask questions later' approach imo.

I don't think it would be treason. The captains ARE the government in Soul Society. They act almost completely autonomously from not only the central 40, but the other captains, as well. The only exception is a decree or decision from the Central 40 that says to do or not to do something.

Since the Central 40 did not exist anymore, the captains WERE the government. There was no other government body left. Before, the central 40 would have to vote on it.

Since they were gone, the captains would act on their own, with Yamamoto having the final say. Remember when Yamamoto was fighting Ukitake and Shunsui? He said he wasn't going to spare them or something like that? Serious business.

Yoruichi, however, was not a captain.

Originally posted by yungz22
ok so far there can only be one possible vasto lord and thats wonderweiss.
reason’s
1: he is only using his hands and is doing alot(: http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/376/12/).
2: before aizen turn him into a Arrancar he still had the resemblance of a human (:http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/229/12-13/).
3: also when starrk has saw him he was pretty surpised and the commment he said(http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/364/08/)
4: wonderweiss has no know espada number(if you read the manga you should of already known this)

2. Starrk. Ulquiorra and Halibel probably as well, and Barragan was still humanoid. And we have no idea how he looked under that...Hell, we can see spines coming from his back.

3. I give you this, though this may just be from his apparent ability to have control over other Hollows.

4. No relevance.

Seriously, while I accept he may be one...He has been losing to a Vizard, Lieutenant level, using only her bare hands, he only got the advantage when her mask suddenly broke.

Oh and ddm, I may answer your three posts later, probably not.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Oh and ddm, I may answer your three posts later, probably not.

I don't remember all what I put. The only thing I remember not being debatable in my post was the energy of attacks we talked about. Everything else is debatable, really. I don't see how either side could win those arguments without further evidence. (Such as speed and other items.)

Originally posted by dadudemon
I don't think it would be treason. The captains ARE the government in Soul Society. They act almost completely autonomously from not only the central 40, but the other captains, as well. The only exception is a decree or decision from the Central 40 that says to do or not to do something.

Since the Central 40 did not exist anymore, the captains WERE the government. There was no other government body left. Before, the central 40 would have to vote on it.

Since they were gone, the captains would act on their own, with Yamamoto having the final say. Remember when Yamamoto was fighting Ukitake and Shunsui? He said he wasn't going to spare them or something like that? Serious business.

Yoruichi, however, was not a captain.

Nada. The Central 46 is, or rather, was the section of SS that handled the decisions and everything. General Yamamoto now takes care of the matters the Central 46 used to take care of, so he is, in essence, the Central 46.

Basically, the Central 46 is the judicial system, and they are answerable to no one, bar the King perhaps, though as we both know, he's just a figurehead.

The Gotei 13 are a part of the Military of SS, along with the Kido Corps and the Stealth Corps (Onmi-something).
Then we have the 4 Noble Families. I don't know if they actually have a say in legal matters, though given their status, they probably do.

Captains are usually allowed to act on their own discretion so long as they abide by the laws set by the Central 46, but legal matters and (major?) decisions such as executions or treason, are left to the Central 46. I don't think Captains are allowed to take these decisions into their own hands. The Gotei 13 never went after Rukia until AFTER the decision was passed by C46/Aizen.

So now that I've enlightened you on how SS works 😛 (well, this is just how I view it, there might be a few errors here and there), let's get back to the matter at hand.

Aizen killed the Central 46 and thus 'became' the Central 46. There was no judiciary system after Aizen revealed himself. However, the absence of the C46 does not give the Captains the right to take the law into their own hands imo. They should know that much. Without an official order to execute Aizen, they could not do so, regardless of whether the C46 existed or not.

Yuroichi was a former captain, and she was on the side of the Shinigami. The best she could do would be to try and take Aizen as a prisoner. If she or Soifon had executed him right there and then, it would have been for the better (in hindsight), but it would have been viewed as an act of treason by the next Judicial System.

Originally posted by NemeBro

Seriously, while I accept he may be one...He has been losing to a Vizard, Lieutenant level, using only her bare hands, he only got the advantage when her mask suddenly broke.

She was a lieutenant a century ago. She should have become a lot more powerful by now. Probably even achieved Bankai, unless she was too ditzy.

The guy is a loose cannon, and irrational to boot. He was actually able to impale Jushiro, and that's a good feat. He's powerful, but his lack of rational thought puts him at a disadvantage.
Besides, wasn't he engaging in a physical fight with Mashiro? Despite her looks, she's a close-combat beast. Or did he use ceros in between? I don't remember. It was a small fight anyway.