No the armour merely AUGMENTED his existing power/strength. It didnt give him magical new powers. The Hulk's main power is his unlimited ever increasing strength - eventually even Hulk on his own would overcome Juggernaut's enchantment.
War Hulk merely proved that the Juggernaut is not UNSTOPPABLE - like all the fan boys constantly claim.
Of course I've seen it.
War kicked Jug around and pushed him back but never actually did anything impressive.
The armor was impressive, War wasn't.
No the armour merely AUGMENTED his existing power/strength. It didnt give him magical new powers.
Hulk's main power is his unlimited ever increasing strength -
eventually even Hulk on his own would overcome Juggernaut's enchantment.
War Hulk merely proved that the Juggernaut is not UNSTOPPABLE
Hulk didn't have anything to do with it, it was all about the armor.
Originally posted by newjak86
Don't bring up onslaught in this thread ever besides it's Trion vs War debate that.
No, pig long brought he is unstoppable against any earth force, was he unstoppable aganst Onslaught, was he, so yes, I will bring what ever I want on this thread.
And many, including me already said Cytorak wins this, but it turned also on other topic, War vs Juggernaut.
Originally posted by XplosiveVery well but then let me point this out to you many feel that Juggernaut vs onslaught was a vast misinterpretation of Cain and in no way fit in with the character as he was portrayed before and at times after until he became decreased in power in his current form. If you wish to enlighten on it more then very well ask me. But I hate when a topic I create gets off topic when it in no way pertains to the question on hand. It's simple can war overcome Trion of which you said you thought Trion would win.
No, pig long brought he is unstoppable against any earth force, was he unstoppable aganst Onslaught, was he, so yes, I will bring what ever I want on this thread.
And many, including me already said Cytorak wins this, but it turned also on other topic, War vs Juggernaut.
Originally posted by newjak86
Very well but then let me point this out to you many feel that Juggernaut vs onslaught was a vast misinterpretation of Cain and in no way fit in with the character as he was portrayed before and at times after until he became decreased in power in his current form. If you wish to enlighten on it more then very well ask me. But I hate when a topic I create gets off topic when it in no way pertains to the question on hand. It's simple can war overcome Trion of which you said you thought Trion would win.
Very well then let me start off by saying this. Juggernaut was drastically written wrong in this saga. First let us look at frame of mind Juggernaut was in. First off Juggernaut as portrayed in the Onslaught saga was a coward and was seen as a bully who was beaten by a bigger bully. Now let us look at the character as we have seen him before. We are talking about a guy who once fought nightmare a person who imprisoned Eternity and showed no fear. Now as to whether or not Eternity could have broken free doesn't matter. Anyway once Eternity was free nightmare was ready to call it quits but Juggernaut said no let us fight him. How cowardly. We are talking about someone who decided to fight Cyttorak in the Crimson Cosmos where he is lord the very person who powered him. This is Juggernaut he is afraid of no one.
Now what you are gonna say is but was he ever in situation where he felt pain like in the Onslaught saga. well yes he has. One primary example is when he fought Thor in when he was cut of from Cyttorak Thor hit him Juggernaut felt it. Well Thor asked him to surrender guess what Juggernaut did he said that word isn't in his vocabulary and continued fighting even though he was outclassed and feeling thor's punches. Another time he was drained and going up against someone who had drained his power. He had molten steel poured on him and he was in pain. Geuss what he said no one does that to me and gets away with it and kept up the fight. When he had the very flesh removed from his bones he said simply I don't care and continued to fight. Tell does this sound like someone who would go around running scared of someone who hit him hard and that is it.
This is my fisrt post of three the next one will have to do with the inconsistencies in the physical aspect of it but I don't want any single post to be to long.
Originally posted by newjak86
This is Juggernaut he is afraid of no one.
Guess not, he was affraid of Onslaught, cause he knew what Onslaught can do to him, and he could do it again. Yes, Thor was crushing Juggs, but what Thor alone was nothing for Onslaught. Well, every time someone gets scared, for him it was time he met Onslaught.
Originally posted by XplosiveYes but when faced with similar situations he has proven not to act in this manner. thor was trashing him pretty much Juugs had no chance. He didn't care. This shows that his character is not as prtrayed in Onslaught saga now I will post thenext long post.
Guess not, he was affraid of Onslaught, cause he knew what Onslaught can do to him, and he could do it again. Yes, Thor was crushing Juggs, but what Thor alone was nothing for Onslaught. Well, every time someone gets scared, for him it was time he met Onslaught.
Originally posted by newjak86
Yes but when faced with similar situations he has proven not to act in this manner. thor was trashing him pretty much Juugs had no chance. He didn't care.
I know, but I guess you will scare someone more who is evil and will do to you anything. When he met Onslaught, Onslaught was capable of killing him, something Juggs wasn't use to, when he was trashed by Thor, he wasn't affraid he is going to be killed, he wasn't affraid, he knew he won't be killed, against Onslaught he felt that, actully he really felt for first time that he can be killed and that is what it scared him, he himself never expected something like that.
Originally posted by XplosiveBasically what your saying is one time when he is getting trashed as compared to another has no meaning because in the later he was getting hurt but he thought about it more. Plus you say the other incounters don't have meaning when they support the fisrt scecario then the later. Plus when he was fighting D'Spyare he was in very much danger of being killed yet he still fought on. Face it in Onlsaught saga he was not prtrayed the same way emotionly simply to up Onalsught now for the pyshical aspect please wait for this post.
I know, but I guess you will scare someone more who is evil and will do to you anything. When he met Onslaught, Onslaught was capable of killing him, something Juggs wasn't use to, when he was trashed by Thor, he wasn't affraid he is going to be killed, he wasn't affraid, he knew he won't be killed, against Onslaught he felt that, actully he really felt for first time that he can be killed and that is what it scared him, he himself never expected something like that.
Originally posted by newjak86
Face it in Onlsaught saga he was not prtrayed the same way emotionly simply to up Onalsught now for the pyshical aspect please wait for this post.
Emotion or not, even in Onslaught saga if he would be compltely the same about emotion aspect as before, so fearless, the outcome would be still the same, he would nearly get killed. It wouldn't change anything.
Now for the Physical aspects that make the Onslaught saga Juggernaut not the same. Let's see where to start from. I will start with the the fact that the Ruby was never in his chest. Yet when Onslaught wanted to he could pull it from his chest even though it isn't there. to give you an example of why it never was in his chest let me point to these things. One is that he once tossed that same Gem into irbit. He aslo was confronted with a little boy who possesed it at one time. It was never there. Also another big incomsistency in it is the fact that Psylocke was able to read his mind twice with his helmet on. Now let me ask you when Proffesor Xavier can not read Jugg's mind with his helmet on how can she. Beast was shown at one time as managing to hold back the Juggernaut to try and calm him down. When before he has knocked people like Colossus out in one punch and the THing in three. Gone toe to toe with Hulk and stalemated him. Let me ask you do you think Beast could ever hold Back Juggs even for a second.
Juggernaut in the Onlsaught saga would be like seeing Prof X standing in a comic. Giving no reason as to why he is standing in the first place but he is like that the whole way through the saga. Then in the very next comic he is sitting back in his wheelchair.
I still have one more to post.