Originally posted by newjak86
Let me ask you do you think Beast could ever hold Back Juggs even for a second.
Not for a second.
But still, any Juggs wouldn't stand a chance against Onsalught and Onslaught would be able to kill any Juggs ever showed, Onslaught trounced with whole team at the same time. So him, almost killing Juggs, isn't something shocking.
Originally posted by Xplosivejuugs has beaten the whole X-Men team pretty much only telepathy beat him. Still argue my points on there you can not use that Juggernaut as concrete evidence as to why he would win since Juggs is written to inconsistent to really be taken seriously in it.
Not for a second.
But still, any Juggs wouldn't stand a chance against Onsalught and Onslaught would be able to kill any Juggs ever showed, Onslaught trounced with whole team at the same time. So him, almost killing Juggs, isn't something shocking.
Originally posted by newjak86
why he would win since Juggs is written to inconsistent to really be taken seriously in it.
Do you mean that for Onslaught, do you have doubts about Onslaught beating Juggs, Thor crushed Juggs at his best, Thor was nothig to Onslaught. Onsalght was beating not X-Men, whole different teams at once.
Originally posted by XplosiveWell Thor beat an extremely depowered Juggs and not easily. In their first fight Juggernaut took Thor's best without being hurt. He also Koed Thor in that fight and had it not been for outside help was probably gonna kill him there though no one knows for sure. Then Thor had to teleport him away because they could not beat him.
Do you mean that for Onslaught, do you have doubts about Onslaught beating Juggs, Thor crushed Juggs at his best, Thor was nothig to Onslaught. Onsalght was beating not X-Men, whole different teams at once.
Originally posted by newjak86
Well Thor beat an extremely depowered Juggs and not easily. In their first fight Juggernaut took Thor's best without being hurt. He also Koed Thor in that fight and had it not been for outside help was probably gonna kill him there though no one knows for sure. Then Thor had to teleport him away because they could not beat him.
Anyway what i was trying to say is saying that the reason Onsalought wins against Juggernaut can not be based off that saga because Juggernaut is written to inconsistent in that saga to be taken seriously much like my Xavier example.
Wow, I cannot believe about Onslaught Vs. Juggernaut. Juggernaut is nothing to Onslaught. Juggernaut at his best, you know what would happen, he woud also get killed if Onslaught would chose to do that.
Originally posted by XplosiveYes that could happen and in another debate do it but to base this info on what you read in Onslaught saga is wrong since it is not an accuratly portrayed version of him.
Wow, I cannot believe about Onslaught Vs. Juggernaut. Juggernaut is nothing to Onslaught. Juggernaut at his best, you know what would happen, he woud also get killed if Onslaught would chose to do that.
Haha.
I thought I was going to have to tell how the Onslaught saga was bullshit, but Newjak already handled it.
Tell him how the writer didn't even know what Cyttorak looked like, so he said "Hmm...well maybe he looks like Juggernaut, so I'll portray him as so."
Wrong. Cyttorak, in his other 20 appearances looked like a pirate.
The writer also didn't know that Jugs has met Cyttorak many times before, so he made Jugs act suprised when he met him.
Originally posted by long pigThat was gonna be my final point but I never had to use it I guess.
Haha.
I thought I was going to have to tell how the Onslaught saga was bullshit, but Newjak already handled it.Tell him how the writer didn't even know what Cyttorak looked like, so he said "Hmm...well maybe he looks like Juggernaut, so I'll portray him as so."
Wrong. Cyttorak, in his other 20 appearances looked like a pirate.
The writer also didn't know that Jugs has met Cyttorak many times before, so he made Jugs act suprised when he met him.
Originally posted by Xplosive
I know, but I guess you will scare someone more who is evil and will do to you anything. When he met Onslaught, Onslaught was capable of killing him, something Juggs wasn't use to, when he was trashed by Thor, he wasn't affraid he is going to be killed, he wasn't affraid, he knew he won't be killed, against Onslaught he felt that, actully he really felt for first time that he can be killed and that is what it scared him, he himself never expected something like that.
Onslaught is as capable of killing Juggernaut as Professor X is. Onslaught fought Juggernaut before he had a physical form so the attack had to be mental. Maybe he implanted fear into his mind, IDK.
Even pre-ninja Betsy was able to poke Juggernaut through his helmet but that may have something to do with her and Brian's connection to Otherworld where Roma and Merlin(?) (ah, like Shatterstar's swords we now have the magic link) take up residence at.
I think Trion Juggernaut would take this.
I had forgotten about this thread, thanks for pulling it back up long pig.
Originally posted by lft4dedDon't try to justify it. It was bad writing and an inaccurate portrayal of Juggernaut with basically none of it making sense.
Onslaught is as capable of killing Juggernaut as Professor X is. Onslaught fought Juggernaut before he had a physical form so the attack had to be mental. Maybe he implanted fear into his mind, IDK.Even pre-ninja Betsy was able to poke Juggernaut through his helmet but that may have something to do with her and Brian's connection to Otherworld where Roma and Merlin(?) (ah, like Shatterstar's swords we now have the magic link) take up residence at.
I think Trion Juggernaut would take this.
I had forgotten about this thread, thanks for pulling it back up long pig.
I think its funny how people disregard feats of the Hulk by saying its bad writing - but anytime their own "favourite" does somthing it must be concrete - I'm afraid the onslaught saga happened, it is CANON so you'll have to live with it. You disagree thats your opinion - it is pointless when compared to actual events and facts.
Back to the issue of War Hulk's armour and how it was the deciding factor that negated Juggernaut's enchantment...Errr were talking about ARMOUR not the actual power of the Celestials. Juggernaut also wears armour - the armour has nothing to do with his enchantment. It is simply there for added durability and invunerability - that is the purpose of armour. 😄