Lets see centauri:
Not, you didnt proove anything. Could you post in wich line from you thare are any proove about something? because i dont find anything.
Man, if they were the first popular band is logic that they influentied the groups after them. And their mix of different styles were copied by many bands, since the stones to the who.
What are you talking about? im talking about the videoclip, what was , is and will very important to the music and you talk me about girls screaming. Dont be that fool.
Boy, dont insist bringing Mike Patton here. He wasnt as imporant as the beatles, the stones, the who, the doors, hendrix or dylan. Dont try again and again to bring patton to the discussion because he is miles away from those people. Plus, those people who you mentioned are miles away of the beatles too. Try with people like the rolling stones, the who, the doors or queen, not that people. Your musical taste is weird and you have a very curious concept of the music history and influence, comparing people like patton or faith not more with the beatles.
Yes, is relevant.
To be one of the most selled groups after 35 years of his end as a group and being the most versioned band is a clear sign of his quality and permanence.
The beatles were the best band of all time and they mixed several styles at their time, nothing of that was seeing before them.
Once again, you are mixing things. The beatles were the most influential group even on people who never reconigze it to sound credible. See balads of the stones like ruby tuesday or wild horses, clearly influentied by the beatles.
I didnt say that, i posted that none of them were the best one or even one of the best in their instruments. But they were overall the best band composing songs, three of the most talented songwritters of all time in the same group. plus, they neednt to be the best ones of their instruments to be the best band, they complemented each other in a perfect way.
I didnt say anything about girls screaming, you are mixing the things again. I said that at first the were the first tennage group, after that, the evolucionated on being a hippie group with more mature and deep music, making albums like sargent peppers or white album, who are consired two of the best albums of all time. Plus, sargent pepper album influentiated the form and the style and the format of many and many albums. But here is some facts more to proove that the beatles is the best and more influential group of all time:
They are the group with more songs in any top list made by specialized critics and magazines, with songs like hey jude, yesterday or strawberry fields forever that can be founded easily in any of those lists. Plus, the same for some lennon songs like imagine or a jelous guy.
They are the group with more albums in any top list made by specialized magazines and critics. Albums like sargent peppers, revolver, abbey road or white album could be founded easily in any of those lists. Plus, sargent peppers is the best album of all time by the specialized magazines of England, Scotland, Ireland or Germany.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Not, you didnt proove anything. Could you post in wich line from you thare are any proove about something? because i dont find anything.
The fact that you don't find anything doesn't mean that I didn't post anything. I've posted multiple times and if you're not going to take the time to read them, I'm not going to take the time to keep posting them to you, only so you can go "Nah, you're not proving anything. The Beatles are best, most influential etc".
Originally posted by bakerboy
Man, if they were the first popular band is logic that they influentied the groups after them. And their mix of different styles were copied by many bands, since the stones to the who.
Copied? I don't hear The Beatles massively when I listen to The Stones, nor when I listen to The Who. Being a fan of a band doesn't mean your music sounds like them. I can't make music like Jimi Hendrix because I like him.
Originally posted by bakerboy
What are you talking about? im talking about the videoclip, what was , is and will very important to the music and you talk me about girls screaming. Dont be that fool.
If we're gonna reply to each other for long periods of time with me providing the proof and you providing the.....the erm....well, with you replying, can you at least type properly? Good.
This is a discussion about music, not image. Video clip has nothing to do with music.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Boy, dont insist bringing Mike Patton here. He wasnt as imporant as the beatles, the stones, the who, the doors, hendrix or dylan. Dont try again and again to bring patton to the discussion because he is miles away from those people. Plus, those people who you mentioned are miles away of the beatles too.
They're factually better than The Beatles in many aspects. Provable areas. They're better musicians, fact, because as it becomes forgotten on here, technique is provable.
Patton is better than The Beatles, to listen to his work, all of it, and suggest otherwise is just ignorant and silly. You've never even heard Patton's stuff extensively admittedly so you're in no position to judge.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Try with people like the rolling stones, the who, the doors or queen, not that people. Your musical taste is weird and you have a very curious concept of the music history and influence, comparing people like patton or faith not more with the beatles.
What are you talking about? You're just rambling.
You have no music taste outside of The Beatles. When you actually know who I'm talking about, THEN maybe we can discuss other bands.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Yes, is relevant.
Not sure what you're referring to since you are just posting random lines to random parts of my post with no quote, but if you mean the video clip, no it's not.
Originally posted by bakerboy
To be one of the most selled groups after 35 years of his end as a group and being the most versioned band is a clear sign of his quality and permanence.
The Backstreet Boys are among the highest selling, so is 50 Cent. Is that a sign of quality and permanence? No. This isn't about videos or record sales, so stop it.
Originally posted by bakerboy
The beatles were the best band of all time and they mixed several styles at their time, nothing of that was seeing before them.
Nothing that Mr. Bungle did was seen before them. They were way more talented in music produced and ability on instruments. Not to mention they were (and this is a borderline fact, just listen to them) way more original than any other band ever. But, that's wasted on you since you don't know who they are. They weren't the best band of all time, nor are they now.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Once again, you are mixing things. The beatles were the most influential group even on people who never reconigze it to sound credible. See balads of the stones like ruby tuesday or wild horses, clearly influentied by the beatles.
It's getting harder to read your posts, if I'm doing you the honour of replying, please spell properly.
Why are you using a couple of songs to insist that The Beatles are the most influential group ever?
1) They aren't.
2) Faith No More have had BANDS created because of them, important bands. System of a Down are arguably the most unique band today, mostly coming from Serj Tankien's voice. Which he stole from one Patton song.
Originally posted by bakerboy
I didnt say that, i posted that none of them were the best one or even one of the best in their instruments. But they were overall the best band composing songs, three of the most talented songwritters of all time in the same group. plus, they neednt to be the best ones of their instruments to be the best band, they complemented each other in a perfect way.
You finally make SOME sense, but you're still wrong. They aren't the most talented at composing songs. I can hold any Rush album up to theirs and show you how The Beatles pale in comparison. The very fact that you have claimed that Opeth, Tool, Faith No More, Mr. Bungle and Rush are "miles" away from The Beatles really does show your musically opinionated ineptitude.
Originally posted by bakerboy
I didnt say anything about girls screaming, you are mixing the things again. I said that at first the were the first tennage group, after that, the evolucionated on being a hippie group with more mature and deep music, making albums like sargent peppers or white album, who are consired two of the best albums of all time.
Evolucionated? Wow...
Having two of the (very arguable) best albums of all time doesn't make you the best band in every aspect, ever. Which is what you claimed they are and which I have proved to no challenge, that they aren't.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Plus, sargent pepper album influentiated the form and the style and the format of many and many albums.
Stop making up words.
Second, so did Faith No More's The Real Thing. What do you want? A medal?
Originally posted by bakerboy
But here is some facts more to proove that the beatles is the best and more influential group of all time:They are the group with more songs in any top list made by specialized critics and magazines, with songs like hey jude, yesterday or strawberry fields forever that can be founded easily in any of those lists. Plus, the same for some lennon songs like imagine or a jelous guy.
That doesn't mean anything. Music polls are loads of people saying what they think, doesn't make it fact. A FACT is that many people feel obligated to vote for The Beatles because they either don't know better or just want to be cool.
Originally posted by bakerboy
They are the group with more albums in any top list made by specialized magazines and critics. Albums like sargent peppers, revolver, abbey road or white album could be founded easily in any of those lists.
See above.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Plus, sargent peppers is the best album of all time by the specialized magazines of England, Scotland, Ireland or Germany.
It's not is it? You just made that up. Infact, Kerrang are a specialist magazine. They've cited Lateralus by Tool and Ghost Reveries by Opeth as the best albums ever, recently. Never seen em do it for Sargeant Peppers. Why? Because The Beatles are just really good. They're not the best anything.
Moreover, they're no longer relevant. There are more bands and there are better bands. Simple truth.
Next time, quote my posts, learn to spell and learn...actually, just learn anything. Assimilate.
-AC
Yikes, what a combination. 😂 The Beatles, The Doors, The Who, The Byrds, Jimi Hendrix, Allman Brothers Band & Bob Dylan were all fantastic. The rest were, well, sh**. I went with The Who since I saw them so many times. Dylan is awesome and The Beatles, well, who can say they weren't great? I wonder what music would be like today had they never existed. I'm surprised the Stones aren't on this list, though. 🙄
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
The fact that you don't find anything doesn't mean that I didn't post anything. I've posted multiple times and if you're not going to take the time to read them, I'm not going to take the time to keep posting them to you, only so you can go "Nah, you're not proving anything. The Beatles are best, most influential etc".I didnt find anything because there arent anything. Your posts are only vague nonsense without any valid proof.
Copied? I don't hear The Beatles massively when I listen to The Stones, nor when I listen to The Who. Being a fan of a band doesn't mean your music sounds like them. I can't make music like Jimi Hendrix because I like him.
When i posted copied, i wanted to say that people like the stones or the who, mainly the first one, copied some things of the beatles. People like Jagger or Richards have reconigzed it.
If we're gonna reply to each other for long periods of time with me providing the proof and you providing the.....the erm....well, with you replying, can you at least type properly? Good.
Sorry, but i havent enought time to be on the computer. I preffer to waste my time in another different things.
This is a discussion about music, not image. Video clip has nothing to do with music.
Once again, same discussion, same anwser. Video clip its very important in the music, it gives to the groups and singers to help his music with images, that is a very important thing.They're factually better than The Beatles in many aspects. Provable areas. They're better musicians, fact, because as it becomes forgotten on here, technique is provable.
Not, they arent. Which aspects are you talking about? explain yourself. Better in thechnique. Probably. The beatles werent the best ones playing their instruments, but as a group they complemented each to other in a perfect way, as i have said before. As a group, only a few groups could be at their same height.
Patton is better than The Beatles, to listen to his work, all of it, and suggest otherwise is just ignorant and silly. You've never even heard Patton's stuff extensively admittedly so you're in no position to judge.
Patton is miles away from the beatles. You are being a fan boy again. The fact that patton is your idol doestn mean that he was that important in the music history. Not as the beatles, the stones, hendrix or dylan. He is in another league . And dont be that arrogant, you dont know what i hear and what not. I have heard patton and he is a good musician, but not at those levels. Once again , you are masturbating with your fanboysm.
What are you talking about? You're just rambling.
You have no music taste outside of The Beatles. When you actually know who I'm talking about, THEN maybe we can discuss other bands.
You are being an idiot once again. You havent any idea on what i heard and what not. I know a lot about any other bands. In fact, beasides beatles, i love queen, rolling stones or the doors. And people like elvis, bowie, elton john, bob dylan, hendrix or springteen.
Not sure what you're referring to since you are just posting random lines to random parts of my post with no quote, but if you mean the video clip, no it's not.
That stuff was anwsered before.The Backstreet Boys are among the highest selling, so is 50 Cent. Is that a sign of quality and permanence? No. This isn't about videos or record sales, so stop it.
Once again, mixing the things. The comparation with the backstreet boys is cheesy and nonsense. im not only talking about sells, im talking about a group who is one of the most versioned and important 35 years after their death as a group.
Nothing that Mr. Bungle did was seen before them. They were way more talented in music produced and ability on instruments. Not to mention they were (and this is a borderline fact, just listen to them) way more original than any other band ever. But, that's wasted on you since you don't know who they are. They weren't the best band of all time, nor are they now.
The beatles was and is the best band of all time.
It's getting harder to read your posts, if I'm doing you the honour of replying, please spell properly.
Stupid stuff once again.
Why are you using a couple of songs to insist that The Beatles are the most influential group ever?
1) They aren't.
They are.
2) Faith No More have had BANDS created because of them, important bands. System of a Down are arguably the most unique band today, mostly coming from Serj Tankien's voice. Which he stole from one Patton song.
None of those groups has meaned anything comparable to the beatles.
You finally make SOME sense, but you're still wrong. They aren't the most talented at composing songs. I can hold any Rush album up to theirs and show you how The Beatles pale in comparison. The very fact that you have claimed that Opeth, Tool, Faith No More, Mr. Bungle and Rush are "miles" away from The Beatles really does show your musically opinionated ineptitude.
Are you saying that rush was better composing songs than the beatles??? better than lennon, macartney or harrison? Man, you are posting bullshit and showing your total ignorancy on music. Any of the songs by those people could compare to the poetry, meaning or musical importance of songs like hey jude, yesterday, let it be or strawberry fields forever.
Evolucionated? Wow...
Having two of the (very arguable) best albums of all time doesn't make you the best band in every aspect, ever. Which is what you claimed they are and which I have proved to no challenge, that they aren't.
Once again, you are masturbating yourself with those proofs that you havent poste in any moment. A group that has, not only two or three, but 15 or 20 of their songs in almost all the top 100 of all time songs and 4 or 5 albums in those lists, the group with more albums and more songs in the majority of those lists, it means something.
Stop making up words.
Second, so did Faith No More's The Real Thing. What do you want? A medal?
That doesn't mean anything. Music polls are loads of people saying what they think, doesn't make it fact. A FACT is that many people feel obligated to vote for The Beatles because they either don't know better or just want to be cool.
Those pools on what im talking about are by SPECIAL MUSICAL CRITICS, no by fans.See above.
It's not is it? You just made that up. Infact, Kerrang are a specialist magazine. They've cited Lateralus by Tool and Ghost Reveries by Opeth as the best albums ever, recently. Never seen em do it for Sargeant Peppers. Why? Because The Beatles are just really good. They're not the best anything.
Kerrang??? well, see rolling stones or another magazines, because they have sargent peppers in all the top 10 or 100 of all time.Moreover, they're no longer relevant. There are more bands and there are better bands. Simple truth.
Simply bullshith. They are consireded the best band of all time.Next time, quote my posts, learn to spell and learn...actually, just learn anything. Assimilate.
Maybe your should assimilate some things like truth, fact, logic, musical knowlegde, etc. It would be good.-AC
First, sort out your ability to post or I'm gonna stop replying to you.
Originally posted by bakerboy
I didnt find anything because there arent anything. Your posts are only vague nonsense without any valid proof.
Stop being ridiculous. Everyone has seen the wealth of examples I've used to prove you wrong.
Originally posted by bakerboy
When i posted copied, i wanted to say that people like the stones or the who, mainly the first one, copied some things of the beatles. People like Jagger or Richards have reconigzed it.
Yeah, so you were inaccurate then weren't you? What you meant was, a few members of those bands are fans of The Beatles. Proves nothing.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Once again, same discussion, same anwser. Video clip its very important in the music, it gives to the groups and singers to help his music with images, that is a very important thing.
No, it's not. It's image, not music. Then again, they were the first boyband. Maybe they wouldn't have done so well without their boyish good looks and such. Thanks for proving my point.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Not, they arent. Which aspects are you talking about? explain yourself. Better in thechnique. Probably. The beatles werent the best ones playing their instruments, but as a group they complemented each to other in a perfect way, as i have said before. As a group, only a few groups could be at their same height.
That's your belief and you're entitled to that. In terms of music produced, I cannot make you agree that they are nowhere near the best ever. I can't hear the music for you. However, I think you're extremely overrating their ability due to believing they are the best band ever.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Patton is miles away from the beatles. You are being a fan boy again. The fact that patton is your idol doestn mean that he was that important in the music history.
Hahahahahaha! Oh that is truly priceless. Truly.
"The fact that patton is your idol doestn mean that he was that important in the music history."
Precisely. It doesn't. The fact that he has done more for music that The Beatles ever will, does. You are the one judging on your love of the band, not what they did. You haven't even heard, extensively, Patton's work. So you're not able to comment.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Not as the beatles, the stones, hendrix or dylan. He is in another league . And dont be that arrogant, you dont know what i hear and what not. I have heard patton and he is a good musician, but not at those levels. Once again , you are masturbating with your fanboysm.
I don't believe you've heard Patton at all, or if you have, certainly not enough to judge. You didn't even know his band when I mentioned them.
I masturbate with fanboyism? Dude, from the way you talk it wouldn't be a surprise if you had candid captures of John Lennon doing a beach workout.
Just kidding of course. But I do find it funny when people reply with no evidence to back up their claims followed by insults. Pretty funny. Especially seeing as the only reason you're still replying is ignorance.
Originally posted by bakerboy
You are being an idiot once again. You havent any idea on what i heard and what not. I know a lot about any other bands. In fact, beasides beatles, i love queen, rolling stones or the doors. And people like elvis, bowie, elton john, bob dylan, hendrix or springteen.
You just named some of the most famous musicians ever, it doesn't mean you have any knowledge.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Once again, mixing the things. The comparation with the backstreet boys is cheesy and nonsense. im not only talking about sells, im talking about a group who is one of the most versioned and important 35 years after their death as a group.
What in the red HELL are you talking about? Sales mean nothing AT ALL. Zero. Ziltch. Nada. Stop bringing that up.
You continue saying they're this, they're that and I'm proving to you or AT LEAST providing alot of example to show that they're not. All you ever do is say "The Beatles are the most...etc etc". However, I do have faith that you're not so far up Lennon's soiled (probably over your head) passage that you truly believe they are the best ever.
Infact, I bet you're gonna give me a good reply to my informed Mr. Bungle comment. Maybe you'll actually start providing relevant evidence as to why you think that too! Let's see:
Originally posted by bakerboy
The beatles was and is the best band of all time.
Oh...never mind. Still, I do believe you just had a brain relapse. You're holding all your knowledge and proof back to counter the evidence and examples I've provided in this thread, only to unleash them. Like now!:
Originally posted by bakerboy
None of those groups has meaned anything comparable to the beatles.
Oh....same again. Still, let's press on. Maybe you'll actually stop buffing McCartney and provide the answer to why you believe this instead of just saying "Nah The Beatles are the best."
Originally posted by bakerboy
Are you saying that rush was better composing songs than the beatles??? better than lennon, macartney or harrison? Man, you are posting bullshit and showing your total ignorancy on music. Any of the songs by those people could compare to the poetry, meaning or musical importance of songs like hey jude, yesterday, let it be or strawberry fields forever.
Hahaha oh dear. This is what I get when I have faith in you.
Firstly, Rush are unquestionably better. Second, all you have done in this thread is say the same comments (literally, in many cases) over again, post song titles, hurl insults and reply with "Man you're talking bullshit." Never have you actually shown, substantially, why you believe what you do. It's really pointless. If you believe so strongly that they are what you say, show me why. I've heard all The Beatles stuff you have. So tell me what I'm missing with your oh so wide and developed opinion (aka The Beatles).
Originally posted by bakerboy
Once again, you are masturbating yourself with those proofs that you havent poste in any moment. A group that has, not only two or three, but 15 or 20 of their songs in almost all the top 100 of all time songs and 4 or 5 albums in those lists, the group with more albums and more songs in the majority of those lists, it means something.
First, stop referring to masturbating, it makes me uncomfortable. Next, you are spouting unfounded nonsense. Where are you getting these claims from? Nowhere, you're making them up. People mention The Beatles because they're The Beatles. That is a fact. Lists mean nothing. They are what people believe to be the best in their opinion. I could make one and The Beatles wouldn't be in it. To make a rather founded generalisation, the only people who still think The Beatles are the best band ever are old crones who still think that music hasn't evolved, and old crones stuck in young bodies who think that by saying The Beatles are the best, they're some how gaining credibility. The Beatles were, they aren't anymore.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Those pools on what im talking about are by SPECIAL MUSICAL CRITICS, no by fans.
SPECIAL music critics? I not only detect a hefty whiff of the old butt putty but to add to that, I'm a music critic. I critique music. Music critics are fans. That doesn't make it fact. It's loads of fans saying what they like. See above.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Kerrang??? well, see rolling stones or another magazines, because they have sargent peppers in all the top 10 or 100 of all time.
Yeah because Rolling Stone are the same bunch of old/young crones I talked about. Half of their writers wouldn't know good music for real if it smacked them. Kerrang are actually dedicated completely to music, not celebrity sounds.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Simply bullshith. They are consireded the best band of all time.
The Beatles are no longer relevant. There have been better bands since and there will continue to be. They're legends more from who they are than what they did. If The Beatles didn't have the reputation they did, the hype, they wouldn't ever be considered anything close to what they are. My Dad is someone who was into The Beatles when they were actually still around and touring, in their prime. He actually says that they were just a really good band at the time. As time's gone on they've become legendary more so from who they are than the stuff they created. Anyone around then would know that, anyone with a perceptive ability beyond that of a nazi could tell that.
Originally posted by bakerboy
Maybe your should assimilate some things like truth, fact, logic, musical knowlegde, etc. It would be good.
Good one, slick 😉.
Seriously though, I don't mind doing this. But next time, be relevant, QUOTE AND POST PROPERLY and actually answer my questions. If I see another "No The Beatles are the best" with a list of songs and random false assumptions, I'm gonna concede your surrender 🙂.
-AC
Originally posted by ElectricBugaloo
AC, all you do is say your same opinions over and over like they're facts. we get it. you don't think the beatles are the best. jesus.
I don't think my liking a band is fact, I think Rush are more talented songwriters. I can't prove that. I think they're better on their instruments coz they are. The man continually posts pages of the same line, literally in some cases. He asks for who I believe to be better and why, I show him. He replies with "No, you're wrong. The Beatles is and was the best band ever."
I find it ironic that you don't say to him "Baker, all you do is say your same opinions over and over like they're fact. we get it. you think the beatles are the best. jesus." Maybe it's a fan thing.
That and I've seen you put across your opinion as if fact many times. Let's not call the kettle black.
-AC