Robocop vs Two Fully Equipped Elder Predators.

Started by K3VIL6 pages

In Robocop 2 during the fight with Cain big R showed all of his potential.
During the fight with 3 Terminators he showed he's even above one of the greatest robotic characters ever made.
Robocop in comics is faster than in the movies, he outrun cars, he even dodge the fire of criminals and enemies, and he's stronger than Predators.
Humans with high level of training and skills were able to kill them.
A cyborg with a computerized mind and superstrenght and durability and incredible aim equipped with his gun will own them

Originally posted by jrodslam
Aliens skin isnt as strong as steel. And Hit and Miss. From what my friend told me, Preds carry less as they become Elders. Thats jsut how good they are. Some may carry a shoulder cannon as the only plasma weapon. Others carry mainly spears, swords, blades.

If someone. anyone can show a pred shooting, or slicing through something as think as titanium please post a pic of it. It would be gfreatly appreciated. 😄

Alien skin isn't as strong as steel? To the re-education chambers with you!

Originally posted by K3VIL
In Robocop 2 during the fight with Cain big R showed all of his potential.
During the fight with 3 Terminators he showed he's even above one of the greatest robotic characters ever made.
Robocop in comics is faster than in the movies, he outrun cars, he even dodge the fire of criminals and enemies, and he's stronger than Predators.
Humans with high level of training and skills were able to kill them.
A cyborg with a computerized mind and superstrenght and durability and incredible aim equipped with his gun will own them

Dude it's really cool that you decided to go with some of Robo's showing from comics, it's a damn shame you decided not to do the same for the Preds.

Its United States Colonial Marines not, Universal State

Originally posted by MERCILOUS
Alien skin isn't as strong as steel? To the re-education chambers with you!

An aliens skin isnt as strong as steel. At least not the whole body. Only the top part of the head(What would appear to be a forehead).

All you know of is the two stupid ass movie predators.

Exactly, Don't use movies as canon when we're debating comic creatures.

How about the predators who take on the USMC who's weapons make robocop's look like little pea shooters?

This is true, USCM use futuristic Pulserifles armed with 10mm caseless armor piercing explosive tipped rounds. = VERY effective.

Speargun rounds travel fast enough to rip limbs from people without moving the body. Sort of like whipping the cover off of a table without disturbing the things set on the table. They are strong enough to rip alien's limbs from their bodies.

In what comic book did this happen? I'm sorry, but games don't count for a sh*t

Aliens are pretty much immune to all conventional weaponry, even the USMC standard issue carbines (Which shoot uranium depleted shells) have shown to ricochet off their carapace.

Umm, what? Aliens are usually teared to shreds by Pulserifles and Smartguns. Which don't shoot uranium depleted, but 10mm caseless armor piercing explosive tipped rounds. Again, very effective. Though they are immune to everything which isn't armor piercing.

Predators' shoudler cannons track my friend, the plasma can be fired with enough charge to blow up lightly armored vehicles. The disc will follow Robo wherever he goes and saw his ass in half.

This is half true. Shoulder cannons track, but the bolts themselves don't track. They're very fast and at times the shoulder cannon has been able to calculate where the moving object will be and predict the shot hitting a fast moving target. Though the Smart disc is called smart disc because it returns to it's wielder.

[quote ]Hell, armor a pred and he'll just shrug off everything robo can fire at him, he'll impale him on his combi and keep his shiney dome for a trophy. [/quote]

Explosives would hurt him, and powerful guns would affect his flesh. His armor is very durable though.

Jrod, you just admitted to knowing nothing of elder predators, so why are you bothering to argue? Why don't you do some research into Robocop's weaponry, that was the cobra sniper rifle. Pick some comics with Predators in them, pick up the books, the movie preds were pansies compared to the hardcore comic preds. Hell, even that badass unblooded from AvP was nothing to guys like Scarface from Concrete Jungle (The game, not the book)

Movie Predators are the true predators. Comics ones are beefed up movie Predators and the Game predators.. Well, I'm not going to comment on them. Use only Comics in a comic book fight.

What evidence do you have those handguns were .44s ? Do you know what the standard issue USCM pistol is ? It's the M4-A3 pistol that fires 9mm rounds which are of almost no use against aliens. Seeing as how this is a COMIC forum, that's what you should be going by. Many times the marines open fire on aliens with their pistols in the begining of a story only to say "Oh shit, this isn't working, run!" or something along those lines.

This is true. Marines use futuristic pistols. M43A pistols are far more powerful than modern pistols. Besides, even in the movie: 'Aliens' Gorman's pistol shots didn't even harm an Alien. *Proud owner of USCM technical manual*

Where and when does Predators go up against the USCM? The PC game in which Predators get ripped in half?

Comics, novels.

Sorry. I meant 45 automatic handgun. It was either that or 9mm. Not magnum. My mistake. And that was killing aliens in Aliens(sequel) Not a magnum.

The gun was called M43A. It used the Colt model, but it was not the same gun. (Stated in the USCM technical manual) Gorman used some 9mm pistol (The model was VP-70 or something, but the gun was something different altogether.)

I asked a friend about the weapons they carried and he said that they dont carry energy weapons.

At times they do. Ask Broken Tusk.

Maybe the books and games, but surely not the movies. Arnold dodged the shoulder cannon's multiple shots. He even got hit once and didnt even bleed hardly.

Dutch's gun was hit by one. His gun was in multiple pieces next to him. He, himself wasn't hit. Not at all.

Gary Busey seemed to have dodged it in Predator 2

He was hit, just look at his face. He's all burned up. Though we don't know how powerfull setting the predator was using. (They can adjust the power of the shots) Besides, we don't know if he was using tracking at the time.

In AVP the movie, the aliens werent even moving. They were just stuck to the walls looking dumb. Nice try. And even in the game Shoulder cannon doesnt even kill with one hit unless its fully charged.

Actually, the Aliens were charging Scar, but the Queen called off the Aliens. Scar did miss couple of times, but the Aliens are lot faster than Robocop. Oh, they showed us that the gun actually tracks. (when they show Predator POV)

Watch the movie Aliens again. And Alien Ressurection.

They use futuristic weapons in both of the movies. In ARez they even look like some sort of lazer guns. Besides, Gorman's shots didn't do anything to an Alien in 'Aliens'

You only assume that a fully charged plasma cannon would blow him up. One shot from the Cobra is guaranteed to blow the Pred to chunks.

Not necessarily. It might richoet from the Predator's armor.

I just wanna know has a Pred ever shot at anything with armor like Robo before? And what was the damage done?

One took Shotgun close up to head (No mask or anything) Continued to hunt after it. Judge Dredd's gun shots. Etc They can take lots of punishment. A LOT.

The preds beast weapon really would be its stealth. But that not a factor here

How's that?

I'd put aliens at the same armored level as Robocop

I wouldn't.. Comic Aliens suck.

and you say Robocop can miss. But have you ever seen him miss? I havent. Besides when his targeting system was off slightly.

Because he has always been against humans who can't dodge bullets. Predators can.

However, the rest of their bodies is just as fragile as a humans. If anything only slightly tougher. A machine gun or chain gun would easily destroy one. Or do you think otherwise?

Sure, if we're talking about comic Aliens (They're lot weaker than movie Aliens) Modern weapons wouldn't really harm movie Aliens. (Talking about Mp5s Ak-47s)

Alien skin is as strong as steel, Pred weaponry goes threw it like Mexicans across our southern border (border patrol joke, not a Mexican joke so cool it.) Pred weaponry has also been shown to slice threw much harder substances though. Like inch thick titanium (which I beleive Robocop is made of) doors and various extra-terrestial alloys. It's pretty much portrayed as the best metal ever, and why wouldn't the best hunters in the known galaxy have it? So there's no reason why it wouldn't go straight threw Robocop with an able (in this case it's even an elder) predator.

Do you want me to post a picture of Predator's wristblades shattering. They are no adamantium.

If someone. anyone can show a pred shooting, or slicing through something as think as titanium please post a pic of it. It would be gfreatly appreciated.

I could post a shot from Predator slicing a tank open with his wristblades, but there aren't that many feats than these guys are saying there to be.

Alien skin isn't as strong as steel? To the re-education chambers with you!

You should go with him. Usually in the comics the Aliens are portrayed very weak. Humans have sliced through them with swords at times 😘
Robo's durability >> Alien's durability Though
Alien's Endurance >> Robo's endurance.

An aliens skin isnt as strong as steel. At least not the whole body. Only the top part of the head(What would appear to be a forehead).

I'm bound to agree with you here. Comic Aliens suck. Movie Aliens are more durable, stronger, faster, better at everything and smarter than their comic counterparts. I'd say Aliens are overall durable as low level Steel/iron. Robocop is more durable. He's made of titanium alloy.

Now that I've corrected some sh*t. Predators would take this. They're strong enough to rip trhough durable stuff and their plasmacasters would melt away Robocop. Their armors would take most of the punishment.

OVERKILL

Aliens were torn aprt by machine guns in Aliens, More futuristic granted, but machine guns none the less. Unfortuneatly they sometimes work too well. Like when vasquez nailed an alien with the smart gun, but such powerful a shot basically caused the aliens blood to spew all over the place, covering drake, causing him to die because of the acidic blood. They are also destroyed by hand grenades.

Robocop got torn apart be machine guns too

He got his forearm cut of by an katana

Originally posted by Lighthammer
Aliens were torn aprt by machine guns in Aliens, More futuristic granted, but machine guns none the less. Unfortuneatly they sometimes work too well. Like when vasquez nailed an alien with the smart gun, but such powerful a shot basically caused the aliens blood to spew all over the place, covering drake, causing him to die because of the acidic blood. They are also destroyed by hand grenades.

Well yeah. The bullets those guns used were designed to work against such foes. The bullets were 10mm armor piercing caseless explosive tipped rounds. = They tear through the outer layer/armor and then explode inside of the target. Naasty stuff. Guess what would happen to Robo Cop if he was shot with such bullets? = Can opener.

Besides.. Smartguns (The bigger guns.) they tore Aliens appart. Pulserifles (The smaller guns) they didn't really tear the Aliens appart. At times they didn't even leave bullet holes (Could be a bloober, but you never know)

EDIT. Uh oh. I see my previous post was kinda... big?

Agree. If Robocop faced the USCM, even with just one smartgun, you can say bye Robocop, and hello twisted pile of metal and gears.

Originally posted by Jyppe
This is true. Marines use futuristic pistols. M43A pistols are far more powerful than modern pistols. Besides, even in the movie: 'Aliens' Gorman's pistol shots didn't even harm an Alien. *Proud owner of USCM technical manual*
Originally posted by Jyppe
The gun was called M43A. It used the Colt model, but it was not the same gun. (Stated in the USCM technical manual) Gorman used some 9mm pistol (The model was VP-70 or something, but the gun was something different altogether.)

Which one was Gorman and what part are you referring to? Dont have the movies with me at the moment.

Originally posted by Jyppe
At times they do. Ask Broken Tusk.

Thats what ive been told, but usually they dont.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Dutch's gun was hit by one. His gun was in multiple pieces next to him. He, himself wasn't hit. Not at all.

I could have swqorn his shoulder was grazed, but ill concede. Dont have the movies with me.

Originally posted by Jyppe
He was hit, just look at his face. He's all burned up. Though we don't know how powerfull setting the predator was using. (They can adjust the power of the shots) Besides, we don't know if he was using tracking at the time.

I think he dodged it at the last minute. Why would the pred shoot to only burn him? His objective was to obviously kill. Them adjusting the power of the shots seems to be a comic thing cause in the movies it seemed to be only 1 level of power and thats "full". True we dont know for sure if he was using tracking, but he was right on target so i dont think it would have mattered.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Actually, the Aliens were charging Scar, but the Queen called off the Aliens. Scar did miss couple of times, but the Aliens are lot faster than Robocop. Oh, they showed us that the gun actually tracks. (when they show Predator POV)

Actually, the Grid Alien was the first one targeted and locked on. When the Scar shot, he moved and it hit the other alien. One tried to move at the last second and got hit and the other charged straight forward. They didnt show that the gun itself tracks, but the targeting system tracks. When the shot is fired, its a straight line.

Originally posted by Jyppe
They use futuristic weapons in both of the movies. In ARez they even look like some sort of lazer guns. Besides, Gorman's shots didn't do anything to an Alien in 'Aliens'

The weapons in ARez really didnt seem futuristic to me. True the shots did look kinda laser like, but i thought that was due to bad effects/cg in the movie.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Not necessarily. It might richoet from the Predator's armor.

You think. Have their armor ever deflected a connon shot? And i would assume certain parts are more dence than others.

Originally posted by Jyppe
One took Shotgun close up to head (No mask or anything) Continued to hunt after it. Judge Dredd's gun shots. Etc They can take lots of punishment. A LOT.

One took a shotgun to the head and still continued to hunt? Sounds kinda iffy to me. I dont doubt thay can take lots of punishment, but a minigun or canon may not be shrugged off the same.

Originally posted by Jyppe
How's that?

Robocop has thermal vision.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Because he has always been against humans who can't dodge bullets. Predators can.

Dodge or evade? Who was shooting at the Preds? Humans whos accuracy and reflexes arent as good as Robocops? Are Preds able to dodge minigun bullets? It kinda goes both ways.

Originally posted by Jyppe
You should go with him. Usually in the comics the Aliens are portrayed very weak. Humans have sliced through them with swords at times 😘
Robo's durability >> Alien's durability [b] Though

Alien's Endurance >> Robo's endurance.[/B]

I agree. Although the Aliens endurance advantage doesnt help much unless theres outstanding numbers.

Originally posted by Jyppe
Now that I've corrected some sh*t. Predators would take this. They're strong enough to rip trhough durable stuff and their plasmacasters would melt away Robocop. Their armors would take most of the punishment.

I dont doubt the plasmas can rip through Robo. If they dont hit him in vital places, Robo has a very good chance. A Preds armor may be able to take lots of punishment, BUT there are many parts that arent armored. Are there full armored Preds?

Thanks for the debate. You were very informative in your post.

Originally posted by Milkie
Robocop got torn apart be machine guns too

He got his forearm cut of by an katana

When did Robo get torn be machine guns?

That kitana was made of the same material as Robo i believe. I dont think it was a mormal blade.

Originally posted by jrodslam
When did Robo get torn be machine guns?

That kitana was made of the same material as Robo i believe. I dont think it was a mormal blade.

The Blades that the Predators use are not normal either.

They are of a different world

and i forgot which movie it was but he got owned

Originally posted by Milkie
The Blades that the Predators use are not normal either.

They are of a different world

and i forgot which movie it was but he got owned

I know the blades the Preds use arent normal. Im not saying they wouldnt cut him or dent him in the least.

I havent watched Robo 3 in years. Hell, i usually only watch the first 10 minutes of it anyways. Didnt the Cyber Ninja only cut off Robo's hand at the weak part of Robo's body(hand)?

In the Second movie, Cain's crew had a choppers mini-gun set up and they shot him in the same place. That tore his hand clean off from the wrist.

Originally posted by jrodslam
I know the blades the Preds use arent normal. Im not saying they wouldnt cut him or dent him in the least.

I havent watched Robo 3 in years. Hell, i usually only watch the first 10 minutes of it anyways. Didnt the Cyber Ninja only cut off Robo's hand at the weak part of Robo's body(hand)?

In the Second movie, Cain's crew had a choppers mini-gun set up and they shot him in the same place. That tore his hand clean off from the wrist.

Originally posted by Milkie

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Originally posted by long pig
Hey now, stop bashing my thread.

It's better than my "Galactus vs his weight in krypto the superdogs"

hahahaha, that's awesome. Just out of curiosity, who won that?

Which one was Gorman and what part are you referring to? Dont have the movies with me at the moment.

Lt. Gorman. The guy who froze when the marines were being owned by Aliens. The event happened when he went looking for Vasquez (Macho Girl) in the vents and found her wounded. Then he notices an Alien approaching him. He starts to fire with his fire arm. The shots just bounce harmlesly off the Alien's head. Then they pull out the grenade and commit suicide.

Thats what ive been told, but usually they dont.

No, it's more like fifty fifty. Even Arbitors use ranged weaponary. It depends on the Predator.

I think he dodged it at the last minute. Why would the pred shoot to only burn him? His objective was to obviously kill. Them adjusting the power of the shots seems to be a comic thing cause in the movies it seemed to be only 1 level of power and thats "full". True we dont know for sure if he was using tracking, but he was right on target so i dont think it would have mattered.

Yeah, he propably dodged it but it still burned his face. Well. Predator from the movie 'Predator 2' did have a different plasma caster than the ones in 'Predator' and 'AvP'. In the first movie. The Predator was ambushed by Dutch. He startted shooting all around the place. Most of his shots didn't seem to destroy the trees, but earlier in the movie when the Predator was the hunter, he shot once or twice and hit a tree. The tree brach it was complitely shot off.

Power full shot - not so fast rate of fire
Not so powerfull shot - Faster rate of fire.

Actually, the Grid Alien was the first one targeted and locked on. When the Scar shot, he moved and it hit the other alien. One tried to move at the last second and got hit and the other charged straight forward. They didnt show that the gun itself tracks, but the targeting system tracks. When the shot is fired, its a straight line.

Pretty much what I meant. I didn't mean that the shot would actually home into, but that the plasma caster tracks. Scar fired 6 shots. Only 3 Alien bodies on the ground. So there must have been dodging ofscreen.

The weapons in ARez really didnt seem futuristic to me. True the shots did look kinda laser like, but i thought that was due to bad effects/cg in the movie.

Well, those weapons didn't look like anything we currently have. Besides Arez is set 200 years after 'Aliens' which is also nearly 200 years in the future.

You think. Have their armor ever deflected a connon shot? And i would assume certain parts are more dence than others.

They've taken hightech rifle rounds couple of times. Their armor didn't complitely block the shots but neither did they die.

One took a shotgun to the head and still continued to hunt? Sounds kinda iffy to me. I dont doubt thay can take lots of punishment, but a minigun or canon may not be shrugged off the same.

It's bit stupid I know, but it tells lot about their natural resistance. It's not that unbeliveable.

Robocop has thermal vision.

Well. that's kinda "iffy" too. As in 'Predator' he was able to see his own hand with his thermal vision, but in a comic. When some military guys were trying to kill/capture predators they had some sort of IR vision modes to see the Predators. But they only showed up as Black figures up close. From medium range and upwards it's really no use. Since this is an Comic book forum, we're going by the comic books.

Dodge or evade? Who was shooting at the Preds? Humans whos accuracy and reflexes arent as good as Robocops? Are Preds able to dodge minigun bullets? It kinda goes both ways.

Both. people have fired their weapons at them and they have dodged an already shot fired after them = They have lot better reflexes than humans. And they're also lot faster and more agile to dodge other weapons.

I agree. Although the Aliens endurance advantage doesnt help much unless theres outstanding numbers.

And, cut them in half and they're still coming for you. Well.. They're more durable in a way to Robo as they can take HUUUUUUUGE amount of blunt force trauma before being affected.

I dont doubt the plasmas can rip through Robo. If they dont hit him in vital places, Robo has a very good chance. A Preds armor may be able to take lots of punishment, BUT there are many parts that arent armored. Are there full armored Preds?

Their "full" body armors are similiar to those in the movie 'AvP'. But their legs, bit of their stomach and bit of their arms are uncovered.Though the full armor reduces their mobility and agility. And If the cannon really fires plasma (Hot as inside of a star) it will make the titanium alloy boil.

Thanks for the debate. You were very informative in your post

No problems. I'm trying to set the facts right. as some of these guys didn't really got them right. 🙂

Btw, could someone list RoboCops weapons he'll have in this fight..?