Darth Tyranus vs General Greivous, Asajj Ventress and Durge

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Come on. Anakin and Obi-Wan are both people who can be fought off with Makashi techniques, as they use classic forms. In this battle, there will be nearly no foes who can be dealt with through Makashi. Assaj, yes. Grievous, yes, bu to a degree. ANd Durge, HELL NO. My point here is that by fighting one, two, or three of them himself, he leaves himself open to other kinds of attacks. An example being:

Dooku is dueling Assaj Ventress. He is using pure Makashi techniques, and is overwhelming her. Suddenly, Durge comes in with well-placed blaster shots. Dooku is forced to use different techniques, moves that he is not comfortable with, to deflect these bolts. At the same time, Ventress swings at him, forcing him to use Makashi once more. See?

Now, Grievous and Assaj would be an easier team to beat than either with Durge, but he'd still be hard-pressed. However, Durge will always be there thanks to his pain immunuty and lack of organs to crush. Read my longer post in the middle of the page, around 13, 14, I think.

Windu takes it again! Bow down to his Jawa wisdom fools or be destroyed.

Before I summon Lord Artoo!!!! *shudder*

Makashi isn't his only form. He also knows Shiim Cho(form 1) which has no prblem blocking blaster blots. Dooku has this.

Originally posted by Darth_Glentract
Makashi isn't his only form. He also knows Shiim Cho(form 1) which has no prblem blocking blaster blots. Dooku has this.

How? Do you think the other two will just sit back and do nothing while he's blocking those bolts?

You're missing the point. Dooku could beat each of them one-on-one, but against all three at once (when his preferred style is less effective against two of them), he's in trouble.

Darth Windu explained it perfectly.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
How? Do you think the other two will just sit back and do nothing while he's blocking those bolts?

You're missing the point. Dooku could beat each of them one-on-one, but against all three at once (when his preferred style is less effective against two of them), he's in trouble.

Darth Windu explained it perfectly.

I think we're missing one big point...

Dooku kicked Anakin backward and Force choked Obi-Wan. He caught -Obi- off guard twice in battle and used the Force on him, to pretty much put him out of the fight. Look at how easily he makes sure to keep his opponents separate.

Using the Force, Dooku can level the playing fields dramatically. He could essentially use Sith lightning on Assajj. Assuming she can deflect it or even block it, it'll stop her. Or, he can use it on Grievious, who doesn't have a prayer in stopping it. Durge either. He doesn't even have to play fair and engage in melee combat... he can just batter them around using the Force.

Really, Dooku has this.

Well...I think Dooku has that fight.

He's a master duelist and a great force user. I think the first thing he would do is take one or two of the opponents out through the force (lightning, force push whatever) and then simply take them one by one.

Originally posted by chilled monkey
Plus, Dooku's style was created for duelling. It's not so good against multiple foes.

Between them, I think they could beat him.

This isn't true. Dooku has shown twice that he can handle mutliple enemies without leaving Makashi. He has also shown (Watch ROTS) that Makashi isn't his only style.

Secondly, Dooku's mastery of the Force makes Assajj cringe. She's deathly afraid of him. Grievious was training by Dooku himself, and- while good- is an open book to the dark lord. I mean, just watch Dooku in combat. He is a precision machine. He notes all openings and exploits them. He's quick, capable of fighting Yoda when it looks like you or I would get dizzy and sick. Quite simply put, he is the most martial jedi/sith in the PT and he is no stranger to combat. If he could be this easily killed, he would not have survived.

If I were Dooku (I'd be old... ewww) no seriously... this is what I would do.

Seeing Assajj and Grievious approach, each working their ways to my opposite flanks. I see Durge bringing up the middle. Assajj, the most hot headed one, attacks first. She's a bit scared. All her confidence is gone like a sand castle in a strong wind. I dodge to the side, expecting before it happens Grievious' razor quick flank attack. But instead of moving to parry Assajj, I grip her with the Force and then turn to the side to give Grievious a quick thrust that he will instinctively parry. Durge goes to strike, but I bring Assajj, helpless in my grip, before me, to shield me from his attacks. Durge opens fire, and Assajj is dead. I launch her lifeless body at Durge full force, hoping to delay him a second while I engage with Grievious. The general hammers away, but I see all the flaws in his technique. For all his mechanic wonder, he will never be a master of the lightsaber. I push him back a bit with a few well timed swipes, and then Durge opens fire on me. I quickly flip back, avoiding the initial spray, and then unleash a hail of Force lightning at Grievious, who is off balance at this time. The general seeks to block it, but he is no expert, and he is blasted soundly, landing some distance away. Durge turns to me again, this time releasing rockets. I reach out my hands, concentrating. The rockets fly towards me, only to miss by a hair apiece... I send them whirling into the far wall. He fires again, and I block a few hits, but mostly rely on fancy footwork and the Force to keep out of the spray. I make another quick leap, this time bounding off of a wall and launching myself at him. Using the Force to guide my blade, it pierces his armor at a weak point.

well:

Ventress is a dumbass and dooku ruthelessly exploits any mistake you make so she'll get owned

Dooku knows grievous backwards and forwards and can easily manipulate all the flaws in his technique to his advantage

Durge isn't even a jedi and will get pwned at close quarters.

Well, I can see I'm outnumbered here.

lol... It's a close match, and a good one. I'm just convinced as of right now that Dooku can get his ducks in a row here.

Well hey, I stand by my decision. But right now, you guys have all the smart, big dudes, you, Frobo, Nai. . . this sucks.

But see I think everyone here is underestimating Assaj. She would have killed both Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan in the Cestus Deception. Now, Dooku could do this himself, of course, but think about it. If Kit Fisto hadn't severed the leg of the dock that Obi-Wan and Assaj were fighting on, she would have killed him. She had him on his back as it is. And she's actually cool, calculating once she matures a bit into the Clone War.

And Janus, I think that even with the Force, it would be hard for Dooku to fend off Grievous AND Durge while choking Assaj to death. Not to mention that a stab, or even dismemberment, isn't going to kill Durge.

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Dooku has admitted Grievous can give him trouble, Asajj is stronger than Obi-Wan and Kit (But so is Dooku). As for Durge Dooku would have to wildy slash at him giving GG and Asajj the opening they need.

Dooku can deflect lighting with his hands so he should be able to deflect blasters from his hands like Vader. Dooku would overpower all of them with the force. Assaj is the only force user out of them and she is no where near Dooku's level. The Count wins.

Originally posted by Darth Windu
Well hey, I stand by my decision. But right now, you guys have all the smart, big dudes, you, Frobo, Nai. . . this sucks.

But see I think everyone here is underestimating Assaj. She would have killed both Kit Fisto and Obi-Wan in the Cestus Deception. Now, Dooku could do this himself, of course, but think about it. If Kit Fisto hadn't severed the leg of the dock that Obi-Wan and Assaj were fighting on, she would have killed him. She had him on his back as it is. And she's actually cool, calculating once she matures a bit into the Clone War.

And Janus, I think that even with the Force, it would be hard for Dooku to fend off Grievous AND Durge while choking Assaj to death. Not to mention that a stab, or even dismemberment, isn't going to kill Durge.

Don't get me wrong, Windu. I like Assajj. I think she gets less credit then she deserves. The the Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto Assajj beat had to fight through a wave of enemies, not to mention it took place a full year before Obi-Wan became a jedi master. And Assajj was afraid of Dooku. It says this in many books. Especially in Dark Rendezvous.

I don't blame Assaj for fearing Dooku. He proved to be a very powerful sith. May even be the strongest sith of the movies.

Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Don't get me wrong, Windu. I like Assajj. I think she gets less credit then she deserves. The the Obi-Wan and Kit Fisto Assajj beat had to fight through a wave of enemies, not to mention it took place a full year before Obi-Wan became a jedi master. And Assajj was afraid of Dooku. It says this in many books. Especially in Dark Rendezvous.

I agree with you completely. But I've already stated my reasons for supporting the trio, so if those can't sway you, I give up. Sorry f that came out the wrong way lol. When I read it, it seems harsh. . . .

And Arbiter, no way Dooku can deflect a barrage of blaster bolts from a repeating gun with one hand while fighting Grievous AND Assaj with the other.

Lol, and that first line about Kit having to fight through waves of enemies? That's my usual argument in support of the dude.

Figures... lol