Makashi isn't effective against more than one opponent. However, he knows Shii-Cho, which could help, but he still has to fight against six sabers (two from Ventress and four from Greivous), and blaster bolts/rockets. This battle is pretty much circumstance.
If Dooku can split them up and fight them each one on one = Dooku wins.
If all three can manage to launch a simultaneous attack = The Trio wins.
Originally posted by Se7in
Makashi isn't effective against more than one opponent. However, he knows Shii-Cho, which could help, but he still has to fight against six sabers (two from Ventress and four from Greivous), and blaster bolts/rockets. This battle is pretty much circumstance.If Dooku can split them up and fight them each one on one = Dooku wins.
If all three can manage to launch a simultaneous attack = The Trio wins.
Where does it say Makashi doesn't help against more than one opponent?
You saw what Dooku did against Obi-Wan and Anakin. He held off one of them with the force, and focused on the other.
Makashi is precise, refined strokes -- like fencing, it's not wild, large slashes that potentially leave yourself open. With Makashi, it's easy to defend yourself from one direction, but if you get surrounded, it will prove inadequate.
To defend against several oppenents from various angles, you would need a form like Soresu or Juyo/Vaapad with its defensive or wider strokes.
I think dooku would easily slay greivous , since he trained him and would probably have a good edge by anticipating his moves, I think this durge would be cannon fodder on the count of dooku using the force on him, Ventress would be his most challenging duel, but i think dooku with his awesome saber skills could pull it off, all of this happening if he suvived a simaltaneous attack by all three.
Durge wouldnt be able to attack while Ventress and Grievous come in close, so thats one opponent he doesnt have to worry about at the moment.
Grievous can be pushed away with the Force, giving Dooku time to focus on Ventress.
This gives Dooku one on one against Ventress, unless Durge interferres. Should be an easy victory for Dooku, so lets just say he kills her.
By now, Grievous is up and coming back in, and Durge wouldve fired off a few rounds. Dooku should be able to parry lasers easily, so his problem would be rockets.
Grievous would fall, he doesnt have the Force to rely on and Dooku would know him like the back of his hand.
Dooku vs Durge left, Durge has the upperhand in this battle as long as Dooku cant get close to him, but Dooku has the darkside to use, so I think he'd take out Durge eventually.
Well, I don't think it'd be a problem for Durge shooting at Dooku while the other two melee him. He's a fine marksman to say the least, and his and Assaj's teamwork is legendary. And while Dooku is capable of deflecting blasters and the ilk, it's not his strong point. In fact, it's his weakness. Now, the reason I give this to the trio is because Dooku will have to use different techniques, say Shii-Cho, to deflect blasters. This however, will leave him vulnerable to the other two, or for the sake of it, one.
Originally posted by Sir Mist
Durge wouldnt be able to attack while Ventress and Grievous come in close, so thats one opponent he doesnt have to worry about at the moment.Grievous can be pushed away with the Force, giving Dooku time to focus on Ventress.
This gives Dooku one on one against Ventress, unless Durge interferres. Should be an easy victory for Dooku, so lets just say he kills her.
By now, Grievous is up and coming back in, and Durge wouldve fired off a few rounds. Dooku should be able to parry lasers easily, so his problem would be rockets.
Grievous would fall, he doesnt have the Force to rely on and Dooku would know him like the back of his hand.
Dooku vs Durge left, Durge has the upperhand in this battle as long as Dooku cant get close to him, but Dooku has the darkside to use, so I think he'd take out Durge eventually.
Now that's something for storytime, elaborate on that 😛.
Originally posted by Darth Windu
Well, I don't think it'd be a problem for Durge shooting at Dooku while the other two melee him. He's a fine marksman to say the least, and his and Assaj's teamwork is legendary. And while Dooku is capable of deflecting blasters and the ilk, it's not his strong point. In fact, it's his weakness. Now, the reason I give this to the trio is because Dooku will have to use different techniques, say Shii-Cho, to deflect blasters. This however, will leave him vulnerable to the other two, or for the sake of it, one.
Ventress and Grievous up close with Dooku...I doubt Durge is that good...Grievous isnt gonna sense any incoming attacks, he'd probably step in the line of fire by accident. Plus he's a towering cyborg, Durge wouldnt see much past him.
Sure, him and Ventress work well together, but slap in Grievous and they have to change tactics to suit the situation.
Even if Dooku switched style, he could still fight against the other two with his current style until he changed back..
Dooku can still use the Force against the two saber opponents if things got heavy as well....he's a Sith, he has a full array of powers...
True. . . Don't get me wrong, I'm in no way undermining Dooku. He may well be the most powerful Sith in the movies. Arguably.
And as for your statement on Durge being incapable of doing anything when the others are around, he has melee weapons. A spiked flail, electric bolas, insane physical strength, etc. Now, with three people attacking him, up in his face, Dooku's going to be forced top throw someone away, probably a coupke of people. Lets say he chucks Durge and Grievous. Assaj fights him for a second or two while Durge's jetpack kicks in, and allows him to bombard Dooku while Assaj bounds away. Dooku will be forced to revert to Form 1 to deflect bolts, and the next second, a recovered Grievous AND Assaj will pound at him with their techniques, forcing him to switch back in a second. This could take its toll on him.
Yeah...he'd be worn down after a few rounds of that...
He could always use lightning instead of pushing, is Grievous's armour immune to lightning? That could screw up a few things for him. Ventress has already shown weakness to Dooku's lightning, he could zap her while she's fighting by herself, unless she deflected it with her sabers..
Originally posted by Illustrious
You saw what Dooku did against Obi-Wan and Anakin. He held off one of them with the force, and focused on the other.Makashi is precise, refined strokes -- like fencing, it's not wild, large slashes that potentially leave yourself open. With Makashi, it's easy to defend yourself from one direction, but if you get surrounded, it will prove inadequate.
To defend against several oppenents from various angles, you would need a form like Soresu or Juyo/Vaapad with its defensive or wider strokes.
Now what in the sam hell is this pile of smelly horse shit?
Did you not see the part where he was holding the chosen one and an accomplished Jedi master both off with his saber?
Dooku would ruin Durge's shit at the beginning and then he would fight Grievous and Asajj. Dooku knows the two inside-out. He taught them. He practically created Grievous and he was a Master to Ventress.
He is also heavily Experienced.
He takes this one home.
Originally posted by Sir Mist
Yeah...he'd be worn down after a few rounds of that...He could always use lightning instead of pushing, is Grievous's armour immune to lightning? That could screw up a few things for him. Ventress has already shown weakness to Dooku's lightning, he could zap her while she's fighting by herself, unless she deflected it with her sabers..
Well, I think Assaj could hold back Dooku's lightning for a bit. As in a couple of seconds before it throws him to the ground. . .
And no, Durge's armor doesn't protect him against Sith Lightning. Normal electric attacks, definetely, but Lightning? To a much lesser extent. However, the reason that Lightning would be ineffective against Durge is because of the pain factor involved. If Lightning caused no pain whatsoever, but slowly took its toll on the victim, like Luke and the Emperor, it would be useless. It's useful because it can be used to completely immobilize the enemy in brute force and intolerable pain, examples being Anakin, Yoda, Luke, etc. Durge isn't someone who can be stopped by pain. Not by a longshot. The guy was blown up from the inside. He suffered unspeakable torture at the hands of the Mandalorians. And all he is is a mass of powerful, self-repairing, nerves. He has a vascular system, but no organs whatsoever. So Dooku's going to have to use his lightsaber to cut through that seventy-inch chest.