It depends on who allies with whom. If Emma and Rogue (classic) go after Storm because they perceive her as the greatest threat then Storm is definitely going down.
GS Storm's resistance to telepathy isn't absolute. It's a resistances not an immunity, and the only one who is immune is Sage. If Storm's attention is divided, which it is, and Emma really put her mind to taking control of Storm, she would.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
It depends on who allies with whom. If Emma and Rogue (classic) go after Storm because they perceive her as the greatest threat then Storm is definitely going down.GS Storm's resistance to telepathy isn't absolute. It's a resistances not an immunity, and the only one who is immune is Sage. If Storm's attention is divided, which it is, and Emma really put her mind to taking control of Storm, she would.
I know resistance doesnt equal immunity, however as aforementioned it means that it would take Emma time and effort to take her down. Emma in this battle situation doesnt have such time. She is amongst people who could kill her within seconds, she would be forced into diamond at which point she is a sitting duck for the two airborne elementals.
It is the assumption on theses forums that we are dealing with the last shown incarnation of the characters in the comics unless otherwise specified by the threadmaker. Classic rogue is out of the equation im afraid.
Emma + Rogue (Sunfire) would in all likelihood defeat Storm anyway.
GS you lowball the melting point of diamond by around a 1000K from the information that I've found. I have figures of 4000K-4700K. Storm's boiling point is 373K if you consider most of what constitutes her is water. It would be far easier for Rogue to go after her.
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Emma + Rogue (Sunfire) would in all likelihood defeat Storm anyway.GS you lowball the melting point of diamond by around a 1000K from the information that I've found. I have figures of 4000K-4700K. Storm's boiling point is 373K if you consider most of what constitutes her is water. It would be far easier for Rogue to go after her.
The highest melting point i have found foR diamond is 3800k rogues max temperature maxes out at around that. But then a single lightning bolt would finish off rogue and unlike her atomic flame its direction/path is under her mental control. I havE no doubt in my mind that storm could defeat rogue her powers can neutralise rogues quite easily and rogue is considerably slower in the air and not experienced in flying through thermal propulsion.
I know you love Emma but the situation remains the same. The circumstances of this battle render her a sitting duck
I don't love Emma. Was that an attempt to label me a fanboy? 🙁
If this was a Stepford Cuckoos thread though... 😄
I like arguing for the underdog, or arguing against the overdog (if that's a word).
Do you dispute that Rogue and Emma together would defeat Storm?
I have figures for M.P. of diamond ranging roughly from around 4000-5000K. Arguably Emma's organic diamond may have an even higher M.P. considering Colossus sets a precedent as his organic steel M.P. is much higher than normal steel alloys.
4710K CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics 84th Ed.
4300K http://www.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=CDiamA
4750K http://www.ioffe.ru/SVA/NSM/Semicond/Diamond/thermal.html
When you talk about Rogue vs Emma, you're talking about Rogue going max flame straight away as if Emma will stand there and wait to be hit. Whereas when it's Rogue vs Storm, Rogue is inept at her powers and can barely do anything. 😬
A single lightning bolt didn't finish off Emma in the fight you like to bring up and she was in her human form so I dispute the damage a single lightning bolt causes. Rogue needn't even fly she can project streams of atomic fire at Storm from the ground, which Storm will have to evade, because if she doesn't... flesh melts at a considerably lower temperature than diamond.
I know you love Storm 😉, but she's is facing three formidable adversaries not one. If she focuses solely on Emma, she is open to attack from Rogue and Sage. If she divides her attention she is very much more susceptible to mental attack from Emma.
Imo Sage is sneaky enough to pull off the win anyway. The others forget about her and exhaust themselves fighting each other, then she swoops in for the kill. 😆
Originally posted by xmarksthespot
I don't love Emma. Was that an attempt to label me a fanboy? 🙁
If this was a Stepford Cuckoos thread though... 😄
I like arguing for the underdog, or arguing against the overdog (if that's a word).Do you dispute that Rogue and Emma together would defeat Storm?
I have figures for M.P. of diamond ranging roughly from around 4000-5000K. Arguably Emma's organic diamond may have an even higher M.P. considering Colossus sets a precedent as his organic steel M.P. is much higher than normal steel alloys.
4710K CRC Handbook of Chemistry and Physics 84th Ed.
4300K http://www.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=CDiamA
4750K http://www.ioffe.ru/SVA/NSM/Semicond/Diamond/thermal.htmlWhen you talk about Rogue vs Emma, you're talking about Rogue going max flame straight away as if Emma will stand there and wait to be hit. Whereas when it's Rogue vs Storm, Rogue is inept at her powers and can barely do anything. 😬
A single lightning bolt didn't finish off Emma in the fight you like to bring up and she was in her human form so I dispute the damage a single lightning bolt causes. Rogue needn't even fly she can project streams of atomic fire at Storm from the ground, which Storm will have to evade, because if she doesn't... flesh melts at a considerably lower temperature than diamond.I know you love Storm 😉, but she's is facing three formidable adversaries not one. If she focuses solely on Emma, she is open to attack from Rogue and Sage. If she divides her attention she is very much more susceptible to mental attack from Emma.
Imo Sage is sneaky enough to pull off the win anyway. The others forget about her fight and exhaust themselves fighting each other, then she swoops in for the kill. 😆
When it comes to fighting these girls one on one Storm should win against either rogue, emma frost or sage (although it depends on whether she has access to gadgets and also on the battlefield) for the aforementioned reasons. The intensity of the lightning is mentally controlled by storm. If she had struck to take emma out then she would have very well done so as she has done to her in the past. The lightning served its purpose it forced emma into diamond form at which point believe it or not she became less of a threat and was easily restrained by Storm. In hurricane winds, the Rogue wouldnt be able to get airborne, rogues flames would be snuffed out and emma would be forced into diamond form. Under such circumstances i do believe Storm could take out Emma and Rogue but then she would in turn be very vulnerable to Sage and probably be defeated.
We dont know exactly how the characters will act or if they will pair off which i doubt when it is a free for all and with such a small number of people. Emma would be one of the first people to be focused on because of her telepathy, therefore emma would be forced into diamond form. Emma wouldnt start off attacking Storm directly with TP because it would take up too much time and effort and she would be vulnerable to lightning and the attacks of the other combatants.
I.M.O as ive stated from the very beginning this would be won by either Storm or Sage. One on one Storm would win, but given the circumstances of this match up Sage if she's sneaky enough and has access to gadgets, she could very well do it.
What the hell? Diamonds don't melt, they're pure carbon. At normal atmospheric pressure a diamond will turn into graphite and then burn giving off carbon dioxide. Humphry Davy in the early 19th Century, put a diamond in an evacuated bell jar, then focused sunlight on it to heat it. The diamond changed to graphite. Davy and Michael Faraday burned a diamond and proved that the only product was carbon dioxide, showing that diamonds were pure carbon.
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Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Emmas telepathy moves no faster than Storms lightning im afraid if anything its slower when you consider the actual speed of thought so i fail to see what point your trying to make. Both powers are psionically operated, so both of them have to think to initiate them, Storms just gets their faster.
I disagree... she needs to time to cast the lightning bolt itself, emma needs no such time...
Storm never got lucky when she fought Emma. Not in the slightest. Emma attacked psionically attacked Storm as Storm was trying to save her, Storm then struck her with lightning forcing her to go to diamond form. Emma was then repelled and restrained with winds. Storm then threatened to shatter Emma by propelling a projectile at her with hurricane force winds. She bluffed in that Emma is a team mate and when you consider Storms nature she isnt the type to participate in needless killing, however carrying out the threat was well within her capabilities. Normal shaped diamonds have four directions of cleavage, meaning that if it receives a sharp blow in one of these directions it will cleave, or split. Emma in her humanoid shape has many more, many more extremities which could cause Emma to shatter if a hard blow is delivered. Google the subject for confirmation.
I dont need to google anything, because i believe im right...
emma was in physical contact, storms bolt was a move of desperation if anything...
And i believe storm was bluffing... i doubt shes accurate enough to carry out her threat...
Emma cannot use her telepathy in diamond form to my knowledge despite the claims of some people on these forums. In a battle situation like this with beings who can kill her with a gesture Emma would be restricted to diamond form especially with three people gunning for her potentially. Her telepathy for the most part is out of the battle. Emma in her diamond form is vulnerable to shattering by Storms projectiles, the melting point of diamond varies from source to source ranging from 3200 kelvin to 3820 kelvin, Emma is vulnerable to Rogues heat which maxes out at around the same temperature
I doubt she's that slow in reacting at all, and i dont believe she'll need her diamond form right away...
as for the shattering, again i believe its nothing more than a bluff...
Storms has a high resistance to telepathy as supported by Xaviers comments and her appearances in comics. Emma would not be able to take Storm out easily or quickly. In this battle situation Emma simply doesnt have the time to do this. One flash of lightning, an atomic flame burst or a shot from one of Sages gadgets would force her to go into diamond form at which point she is a sitting duck.
High resistance, not immunity... i believe emma is powerful enough to take down storm quickly enough...
Its not even definite that Storm would be engaged in a battle with Emma as opposed to the other combatants, but its likely because of their shared history and given Storms versatility, Storm would be the likely victor.
Likely in your opinon...
As for Storm against the others. Rogue is woefully inexperienced with Sunfires powers only having had them for the equivalent of a few weeks at the most. With these powers she is limited to 150mph, Storm is considerably faster, Storms powers can neutralise Sunfires and take her out.
I'd tend to agree...
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I disagree... she needs to time to cast the lightning bolt itself, emma needs no such time...
storm only needs a thought, that hardly takes time
I dont need to google anything, because i believe im right...
hmmmmm.....a bit overconfident?
emma was in physical contact, storms bolt was a move of desperation if anything...
storm used her main attack, by your defenition everytime emma uses telepathy, she does so out of desperation. it's called tactics, storm was being attacked, so she used her main form of attack. maybe you should google that instead
And i believe storm was bluffing... i doubt shes accurate enough to carry out her threat...
angel was accurate enough, storm could be as well
doubt she's that slow in reacting at all, and i dont believe she'll need her diamond form right away...
if she doesn't go to diamond form, a lightning bolt can take her out
High resistance, not immunity... i believe emma is powerful enough to take down storm quickly enough...
really? she couldn't do it to storm last time
storm only needs a thought, that hardly takes time
it does take time to cast it...
hmmmmm.....a bit overconfident?
Not at all... u?
storm used her main attack, by your defenition everytime emma uses telepathy, she does so out of desperation. it's called tactics, storm was being attacked, so she used her main form of attack. maybe you should google that instead
You did not just say that... READ IT AGAIN... its called CONTEXT...
angel was accurate enough, storm could be as well
angel had a gun... thats a hell of alot more precise than blowing a projectile toward someone...
if she doesn't go to diamond form, a lightning bolt can take her out
Assuming storm is faster than emma...
really? she couldn't do it to storm last time
don't mistake "didn't" for "couldn't"...
QUOTE]it does take time to cast it...[/QUOTE]
not really, storm has instantley summoned lightning before
Not at all... u?
nope, not really
You did not just say that... READ IT AGAIN... its called CONTEXT...
I believe I did just say it, and i stand by what I said. it wasn't a move of desperation, it was a defensive move, and a tactic. maybe you could EXPLAIN what you meant, of wait....we've been down this road before, never mind
angel had a gun... thats a hell of alot more precise than blowing a projectile toward someone...[/QUOTEyeah, she has no expierence handling a gun, storm who is an excallent marksman(trained by wolverine) has much more accuracy and expierence than angel.
[QUOTE]Assuming storm is faster than emma...
with summoning a bolt, more than likely she is. her whole life she has been fighting and honing reflexes and reaction time. I'd say she is faster.
don't mistake "didn't" for "couldn't"...
emma couldn't in that fight. as soon as she tried storm resisted and storm summoned a bolt forcing emma to stop the assualt.
not really, storm has instantley summoned lightning before
so u assume storm can be instantaneous but emma can't?
nope, not really
you sure?
I believe I did just say it, and i stand by what I said. it wasn't a move of desperation, it was a defensive move, and a tactic. maybe you could EXPLAIN what you meant, of wait....we've been down this road before, never mind
well arent you adorable... its not my fault your the only one who cant understand me...
with summoning a bolt, more than likely she is. her whole life she has been fighting and honing reflexes and reaction time. I'd say she is faster.
oh, so now she IS faster... so how many x-men comics have you written?
emma couldn't in that fight. as soon as she tried storm resisted and storm summoned a bolt forcing emma to stop the assualt.
that same fight again? where emma was hanging onto her?
so u assume storm can be instantaneous but emma can't?
did I ever say emma can't be instantaneous? I just believe storm will react faster
well arent you adorable... its not my fault your the only one who cant understand me...
I like to think so, but that's not the point. it was badly explained and you didn't even explain what you meant by it when asked.
oh, so now she IS faster... so how many x-men comics have you written?
only in my opinion she is faster, but her whole life she has been fighting so she has more expierence.
that same fight again? where emma was hanging onto her?
hanging onto her? emma let go when she was hit by the lightning bolt. can you explain what you mean seeing as emma only had her for a second or two, oh wait never mind that last part. I will never get an answer.