Yoda and Plo Koon v Mace Windu and Cin Drallig

cin drallig is in the star wars game and is heavy

Originally posted by Darth Windu
DE Sidious. Read the books. Or better, don't. They suck.

And I'm talking about Yoda's Force Armor. Now, Mace isn't on Yoda's level, but he's damn close. Yes, his saber skills are accentuated far more than his Force abilities. But you can't be on the Council through saber skills alone. Mace has vast potential, and is probably in Dooku's class in raw power. Not Mastery, but raw power and potential. Mace could hold his own against either of these beings, and he's defeated Sidious. So he's no pushover. And Cin would waste Plo. Not own him, but take him out nonetheless.

Yeh, great, and people laughed/argued with me when I said that yoda and mace are very similar when it comes to comparison.

Originally posted by Darth_Frobo
hmmm...well the truth is that mace is actually a "better" swordsman then yoda the thing is yoda's style looks cooler and plo koon is nothing to write home about especially compared to cin.

Yoda's style looks cooler? No offense, but thats a very newbie statement.
Yoda uses Ataru, and him flipping around is not because of his style, really. Do you see Qui Gon Jiin flippin around Maul>?

Akbar, he said that Mace is arguably a better duelist than Yoda, but since Yoda's style is flashier and better-looking, most consider him to be the superior.

Originally posted by MAKASHIMAN
Dude look at the movie Cin using a bunch of cool manuveurs but the Sith handles him with one hand. It says on SW.com that Koon was one of the greats. You don't sit two chairs away from Yoda and not be a powerful Jedi.

SOrry for this triple post, but Trebor was on the council, and he was nothing special.

Originally posted by Admiral Akbar
Yoda's style looks cooler? No offense, but thats a very newbie statement.
Yoda uses Ataru, and him flipping around is not because of his style, really. Do you see Qui Gon Jiin flippin around Maul>?

Yes, it is part of his style. Ataru is meant to be flashy and involve those twists and turns. That's why Qui kept spinning. yoda is smaller and has a better control over the force, giving him the ability to do all those acrobatic moves.

You cant judge his coolness. So what yoda flips. I dont find that fancy fighting, I'm actually sorry for the old guy, to use up his force energy just to bounce around.

Originally posted by HimoKun
Yes, it is part of his style. Ataru is meant to be flashy and involve those twists and turns. That's why Qui kept spinning. yoda is smaller and has a better control over the force, giving him the ability to do all those acrobatic moves.

MY bad, the crummy ass site I searched showed Ataru as fast movement, and strikes.

Yeah don't trust any of those sites their a load of bull.

ataru involves quick menouvres and rolls anf flips and practitioners of this form use the force to guide them through their rolls and jumps. Sidious expands this form with thrusts. And mace windu and cin drallig win this.

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In the revenge of the sith book it says that Mace's style(Vaapad) is second to Yoda's Ataru. (if i remeber right and i am moderately sure i do
As for everyone saying how Plo was only average.. He had alot of strength and was a good swordsman(he was said to be able to master Windu's Vaapad but since his decided it was too dangerous to use because of its closeness to the dark side) and was strong in the force period.. then you add in his emotion sensing tentacles(Which emotion is a huge part f swordfighting) and his scientific knowledge gave him the ability to do things other Jedi( as far as i have read) couldn't( Cause a force fog, drop the temperature enough to disable an oppent, Freeze up too small lakes, cause whirlwinds, and he could do the force lightning) So he was far from average. Now i still think Windu a Cin would win but it would a barely (have to crawl away) win not the blowout i seem to read on here.

to add to my other post(time to edit went out) Yoda also master all the styles of Saber combat except 7(windu's) and he could raise or lower moral..(mostly used for big battles)..and had great force hold and a enormous force push ability. Windu's only signifcant(not that he didn't do way above average in other areas, he is on the council after all) was his ability to read...(i don't remeber the actual name) force fault points. Which was kinda like a wierd viewing of the future. He could see how everyone connected together. and his Vaapad style (which was a more complete version of Darth Maul's style form VII Juyo)

Originally posted by angrothir
to add to my other post(time to edit went out) Yoda also master all the styles of Saber combat except 7(windu's) and he could raise or lower moral..(mostly used for big battles)..and had great force hold and a enormous force push ability. Windu's only signifcant(not that he didn't do way above average in other areas, he is on the council after all) was his ability to read...(i don't remeber the actual name) force fault points. Which was kinda like a wierd viewing of the future. He could see how everyone connected together. and his Vaapad style (which was a more complete version of Darth Maul's style form VII Juyo)

That's Shatterpoint for ya.

No Plo is not average, but he's not the kickass character some fanboys want him to be; in fact, the fact he was mainly a pilot says something.

It's kinda funny isn't it? Despite all his powers and Training and reputation, Plo still gets blown unceremoniously from the sky.

Um, angrothir. . . Plo would never have been able to master or become a practioner of Vaapad. Ever.

plo never even tried to master it so there are no reasons that suggest he could whereas mace windu was the only one wise enough at the time to master it and bepa dillipa and sora bulq both fell to the dark side so considering plo koon was not much wiser than these two jedi and a hell of a lot less wise than mace windu it is unlikely he would be able to master it

what if yoda fought cin and mace pwn3d plo and yoda beat mace and a very weakened cin? or is that to hard for the little guy?

Yall act like Vaapad was this great style impossible to master for any but mace but there were 2 others to master it but they fell to the darkside. And i am sure (never read any though) thatseveral mastered the style that it came off of. Its not that it was impossibly hard to but it was dangerous. to In the an encyclopidia (known as Wikipedia which is pretty well known and reliable)(not just the movie info is used for it but EU too) it says plo koon had the ability to master it but wouldn't because his race sees things as Black and White(right or wrong) no inbetween and he considered it wrong because of its style is walking the line of the darkside. and by defination Plo would be pretty kick ass (the best...No far from it. Mace would own him as well as yoda anakin and a longlist of other Jedi.)

Uh, Vaapad is exclusive to THREE PEOPLE in the series, and all were trained by or with Mace Windu. One of them IS Mace Windu. The others are Sora Bulq and Depa Bilaba.

The information you have on Plo Koon is Wikipedia bullshit, made by this sudden emergence of Plo Koon fans. Plo Koon's fame is on par with Boba Fett in the original trilogy, only Boba looked less stupid and actually applied to the plot and spoke.