Originally posted by olympian
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"If mangog is able to defeat odin with enhance strength using the hatred of billions of soul, the Hulk reputation as having limitless strength should also be able to hold up to odin, wouldn't "No, because Mangog already stars quite above.
For a start.
The turtle end up beating the hare doesn't he? Theoretically hulk would eventually surpass mangog in strength.
Originally posted by olympian
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Especially where there are statements saying otherwise.Banner inside him = rage in check.
I don't see any relevancy between these two statements. I'm guessing, you're thinking, because banner is controlling his rage, it automatically put a limit to his rage. A dam holds running river, however, the potential energy never went away. It was always there. Controlling something and doing away with something are two different things. Don't assume that just cause bruce banner is controlling his rage, that it automatic put a cap on it.
Originally posted by KillAll
i didnt say that at all. i'm saying mangog can accomplish things physically that hulk couldnt ever dream of. the guy is cosmically strong... he is not only powered by a "billion" beings like you are stating, but a billion billion beings. whatever that means. hulk wont have time to even get mad. mangog has shown to be physically stronger than thor, using JUST HIS TAIL. can hulk use his whole body and even accomplish that????? seriously, you do the math. has hulk ever shown to be actually physically stronger than thor at any given time? its so close between them, that you cant even tell. odin, pulps thor every time. physically... same w/ odin. he went into asgard and does things that hulk can only wet his pants about.
1. Please read my post over; i never said "a soul" i said "souls". I didn't have to rebuke that but i feel it shows that i at least am playing on fair ground. I ain't tryin to down-size no one.
2. You don't understand my point do you? Let me rephrase myself. You claim mangog punked around asgard with strength alone. Hulk strength is not on mangog level immediately, however, "Theoretically" the character of the hulk should be able to surpass him, and theoretically he should be able to invest the same kind of damages to asgard as mangog did. I really find it difficult to believe that asgard can be punk around by a being using only strength, but again, that is just me.
3. Hulk has punk around cosmic beings before. I remember an incident where he attack the gardener, one of the elder of the universe. How the elders fair under the cosmic hierarchy i don't know ,but, this shows that the is hulk is able to hold his own against cosmic forces.(Granted that it isn't against the upper echelon of the hierarchy. Eternity, Living Tribunal etc) So in conclusion, just because mangog is of cosmic property doesn't necessary make him that much more dominant over the hulk.
Hulk isn't invincible i can live with that, but don't say he has no chance at all. Hulk has been beaten before and he'll be beaten by someone again, but in a battle of strength, i don't understand how anybody can say hulk has no chance when the sole purpose of his character was to be the personification of strength; not to mention "the inconquerable spirit" hence the phrase "The madder hulk get the stronger he gets."
Originally posted by BeyonderUm no. Say a healthy average person can lift about 50 pounds (conservative estimate).
50 lbs x 1,000,000,000 people = 50,000,000,000 lbs per Mangog
2,000 lbs = 1 ton = Class 1
50,000,000,000/2,000 = 25,000,000 tons = Class 25,000,000
Hulk is Class 100. Mangog is Class 25,000,000. Who's stronger?
Also say it was just 1 pound person can lift. Mangog would be Class 500,000 which is still leagues above Hulk.
Um no. He is still class 100 same as the hulk...there isnt anything higher. Class 100 means pressing one hundred tons OR GREATER.
Originally posted by LGodamus
Um no. He is still class 100 same as the hulk...there isnt anything higher. Class 100 means pressing one hundred tons OR GREATER.
Um no. There is. Tell that to Thanos, Kurse, War Hulk, Trion Juggernaut, Mangog, Destroyer, etc.
Thor is already Class 100. When he puts on his belt, it doubles his strength, enabling him to reach Class 200. Kurse is 400.
As for Mangog, War Hulk, Trion Juggernaut, and Thanos, they're exact Class is unknown but their definately above Class 100.
Originally posted by Beyonder
Um no. There is. Tell that to Thanos, Kurse, War Hulk, Trion Juggernaut, Mangog, Destroyer, etc.Thor is already Class 100. When he puts on his belt, it doubles his strength, enabling him to reach Class 200. Kurse is 400.
As for Mangog, War Hulk, Trion Juggernaut, and Thanos, they're exact Class is unknown but their definately above Class 100.
which is exactly what godamus said. Class 100 and/or greater
Originally posted by Beyonder
Um no. There is. Tell that to Thanos, Kurse, War Hulk, Trion Juggernaut, Mangog, Destroyer, etc.Thor is already Class 100. When he puts on his belt, it doubles his strength, enabling him to reach Class 200. Kurse is 400.
As for Mangog, War Hulk, Trion Juggernaut, and Thanos, they're exact Class is unknown but their definately above Class 100.
Have you ever read anything other than Marvel H.B.'s or the Marvel Directory before ? 🙂
Originally posted by yahman
Have you ever read anything other than Marvel H.B.'s or the Marvel Directory before ? 🙂
? IG, IW, IC, SWI & SII, Essential Dr. Strange Vol. 1, Blood & Thunder, Infinity Watch, Warlock Chronicoles, Maximum Carnage, Venom, Spiderman, AOA, Thor, X-Men, Dr. Strange, FF.
Not an avid read of every book but know more than most here at KMC.
Originally posted by LGodamus
you do understand what the phrase "or greater" means , right?
Marvel does not classify strength past class 100 ..like it or not....you can be alot stronger than Orka ...like say fully angry hulk...but guess what, still the same class or strength...reagardless of the gap in actual ability.
You do that I'm trying to show a difference of strength level and NOT trying to shove this ranking into Marvel's stat's right?
Marvel doesn't show rankings above Class 100, but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Kurse, Mangog, War Hulk, Thanos, etc. can atest to that.
The point is to show the difference in strength.
Originally posted by LGodamus.
the point is that marvel doesnt even define strength that high..so anything above that is estimation and opinion...and cannot be used as fact
Okay, then Mangog wins.
Hulk's strength isn't limitless. It does have a limit. His fight with Onslaught proved it. Onslaught ain't limitless in power and Onslaught gave Hulk a good fight. Then allowed Hulk to crack the armor as part of Onslaught's plan - though how stupid it may be is another matter.
Hulk isn't going to surpass anything and does not have limitless strength and rage. That's crazy a claim as DD can evolve from anything.
Mangog was a threat to all of Asgard. He trapped Loki in an amber like prision after Loki had freed him. Said Loki is an insect in the presence of true gods. Then march toward Asgard and wrecking Frost Giants standing in his way.
Originally posted by Beyonder
? IG, IW, IC, SWI & SII, Essential Dr. Strange Vol. 1, Blood & Thunder, Infinity Watch, Warlock Chronicoles, Maximum Carnage, Venom, Spiderman, AOA, Thor, X-Men, Dr. Strange, FF.Not an avid read of every book but know more than most here at KMC.
More than what I can say for most KMC members 🙁
Originally posted by Beyonder
You do that I'm trying to show a difference of strength level and NOT trying to shove this ranking into Marvel's stat's right?Marvel doesn't show rankings above Class 100, but it doesn't mean they don't exist. Kurse, Mangog, War Hulk, Thanos, etc. can atest to that.
The point is to show the difference in strength.
Well In that Case
Namor = Class lifting Oil tankers
Juggernaut = Class Punching holes in Dimensions
Thor = Class Dragging Islands the size of Manhattan + Lifting a snake the size of the earth (not class 400)
Hercules = Class Dragging Manhattan
Hulk = Class Throwing the Sydney Opera house, Lifting 150 Billion ton mountain
Ultimate Colossus = Class Lifting Nuclear Submarines
BRB = Class destroying Planets
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Originally posted by yahman
Well In that CaseNamor = Class lifting Oil tankers
Juggernaut = Class Punching holes in Dimensions
Thor = Class Dragging Islands the size of Manhattan Lifting a snake the size of the earth (not class 400)
Hercules = Class Dragging Manhattan
Hulk = Class Throwing the Sydney Opera house, Lifting 150 Billion ton mountain
Ultimate Colossus = Class Lifting Nuclear Submarines
BRB = Class destroying Planets
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😉 Fine I'll give in. I see your point. Mangog wins. We don't have to go by class for Mangog to win.
Kurse is still 4X greater than Thor, who on average can give Hulk a tussle. Kurse >>>>Hulk
War Hulk stomped Juggernaut. Juggernaut on average is Hulk's equal - the invulnerability cancels out Hulk's ability to get stronger. War Hulk >> Hulk.
Mangog easily over powers Thor every time. When he was freed, he effortlessly smashed through two to three frost giants. And that's after trapping Loki. Mangog >>>>Hulk.
No doubt Hulk has a shit load of high end feats. But he's also got low end feats as well. On average, Thor, Juggernaut, Wonder Man, Thing, Rhino, Abomination, Wendigo can give Hulk a good fight or win.
And none of these guys are even on Mangog's level. Unless, Hulk has godblast - he isn't winning.