Cyborg 2 vs. Magneto

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
I can tell you dont know what you are talking about. Stick to your holy grail of Supes punch. 😆 even though its been shown to be ineffective against borg.
Black holes....like mags does this effortlessly all the time..and borg survives black holes. Does mags?
Since when can magneto control metal (give it life) like Borg?
Borg can easily kill mags with a though. No forcefield will help him.
At Borg speed, Mags is standing still, or is mags now light speed?
This isnt superman, borg isnt going to stand still and talk while mags tries things. X-men give mags trouble meanwhile Borgs beats down multiple supermen.

What part of being in more than one place dont u get? Or becoming one with the environment? Willing himself in mags helmet and crushing his head with his own helmet. Seconds.
Give me a break...lol 😆 This is what will happen to mags on borg assilmilates any part of his costume.

How is borg going to escape magneto's magnetic trap? What happens if he gets trapped and gets dump into a black hole.

All you been doing is dodge and posting nonsense that I already know.

Again you failed to show anywhere that mags powers won't work on Borg.

If you believe that Cyborg will win than that’s kool am fine with that , don’t make make excuses that his powers won’t work , if you have proof that Cyborg can indeed neglect magnetos powers than please share it with us.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Feel free to show proof of how you came to this conclusion.

???
Because Henshaw said so. He said that he altered that substance knowing Superman's DNA and altering the molecular structure such that Superman couldn't get through. Why else would he bring up the fact that he knows Superman's DNA and knew that Superman couldn't get through if he didn't alter the substance based on his knowledge of Superman's DNA???

It's a moot point because 1) Magneto doesn't phase and 2)Magneto breaks down atomic bonds.

You can also show how their is any proof that this impenetrable substance is vulnerable to magnetism.

1. Who said it's impenetrable?
2. Who said it's invulnerable to magnetism?

All we DO know about that substance is that it's coded to Superman's DNA. It could be made out of kryptonian donuts, something kryptonians in the yellow sun simply can't affect but that my pet dog could eat through. Given that we have no idea what that substance is, this too is a moot point.

By this ridiculous example, mags should be able to create a clone body easily and create life. Something Borg can do, but that I've never seen mags do.

Which has nothing to do with anything, considering that I never said, "Magneto wins by creating a cloned body of himself and giving it life".

But congratulations to Henshaw. He can create cloned bodies of himself and smile in pride. Then he gets atomically torn apart.

Lets not forget that the further he steers from magnetism and the more powerful the act, the more worn down he becomes.

That hasn't been true since Secret Wars.

Mags may have 1 way to win if you can prove it. Cyborg has so many more.

Actually, Mags has lots of ways to win. But why get creative when you control metal at an atomic level and YOUR OPPONENT IS MADE OUT OF METAL.

If this is shown after xmen 150, no prob. I'll accept it. Just tell me the issue.

It was the final issue of Planet M, where "Magneto" gets his head chopped off by Wolverine. It's revealed a couple of months later in Excalibur that that wasn't Magneto at all.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Does mags have that weapon handy? How do you know he can create it?

Guess mags doesnt always have his shield up. Psychic energy can go through mags shield? Great. That is the true henshaw. Right through Mags forcefield and crushing mags head with his own helmet faster than mags can think.

😎

See, this is why single panel feats are so misleading.

1) This was actually a combined attack by Xavier and Jean
2)This was immediately after Magneto got stabbed by Logan and tore out his Adamantium (he dropped his guard because he was holding back, as Wolverine himself observed when he stabbed him. "Still holding back, Mags? BIG MISTAKE"😉
3) Xavier completely exausted himself with this attack and was OUT for awhile after

Magneto blocks telepathy with his powers by setting up an electrical field.

Originally posted by demigawd
See, this is why single panel feats are so misleading.

1) This was actually a combined attack by Xavier and Jean
2)This was immediately after Magneto got stabbed by Logan and tore out his Adamantium (he dropped his guard because he was holding back, as Wolverine himself observed when he stabbed him. "Still holding back, Mags? BIG MISTAKE"😉
3) Xavier completely exausted himself with this attack and was OUT for awhile after

Magneto blocks telepathy with his powers by setting up an electrical field.

K, how would Mags avoid this attack? His brain turns to jelly unless putting his fingers into his ears is a good defense.

All these scans are the same. It's showing Henshaw taking over technology and using it against the people employing that tech. So he's a super hacker? Big deal.

Originally posted by demigawd
All these scans are the same. It's showing Henshaw taking over technology and using it against the people employing that tech. So he's a super hacker? Big deal.

No, he's a disembodied spirit/psychic force that creates bodies at will. Has all of supermans powers and can amp them, mentally controls machinery, can be in multiple places at once, can chance dna on the fly, and create weapons on the fly that suits to his opponents weaknesses.
Mags may have a chance if Borg stupidly stands there and just lets him do whatever he wants but lets face it. For all mags powers, he is human.

Borg could easily pull that sonic blast on Mags and kill him.
Borg isnt always in metal form, where did you get that from?
There are times he has formed completely human, others he has been robotic form, and others where is is the environment.

Borg is much much faster than Mags, he can kill him before mags shields are even fully up.
If the shields are up. Sonic attack still kills mags.
He can will himself through Mags shields and crush his head with his own helmet.

If mags has a hard time with adamantium, he's going to have a hell of a time with Kryptonian alloys under anothers control. Especially moving at faster than thought speeds, blasting and punching from every angle.

Lets see, Freeze mags into a glacier and toss him into the sun.
Incinerate him while inside his forcefield, even if the forcefield holds up against the heat vision itself, the heat will kill him.
Make a weapon that atomizes everything including mags.

Where is this fight taking place anyway? In a city, mags is dead. In space, mags is dead, in the desert, mags is dead. Underwater, mags is dead. In the woods? hmmm...mags is still dead.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
No, he's a disembodied spirit/psychic force that creates bodies at will. Has all of supermans powers and can amp them, mentally controls machinery, can be in multiple places at once, can chance dna on the fly, and create weapons on the fly that suits to his opponents weaknesses.
Mags may have a chance if Borg stupidly stands there and just lets him do whatever he wants but lets face it. For all mags powers, he is human.

Borg could easily pull that sonic blast on Mags and kill him.
Borg isnt always in metal form, where did you get that from?
There are times he has formed completely human, others he has been robotic form, and others where is is the environment.

Borg is much much faster than Mags, he can kill him before mags shields are even fully up.
If the shields are up. Sonic attack still kills mags.
He can will himself through Mags shields and crush his head with his own helmet.

If mags has a hard time with adamantium, he's going to have a hell of a time with Kryptonian alloys under anothers control. Especially moving at faster than thought speeds, blasting and punching from every angle.

Lets see, Freeze mags into a glacier and toss him into the sun.
Incinerate him while inside his forcefield, even if the forcefield holds up against the heat vision itself, the heat will kill him.
Make a weapon that atomizes everything including mags.

Where is this fight taking place anyway? In a city, mags is dead. In space, mags is dead, in the desert, mags is dead. Underwater, mags is dead. In the woods? hmmm...mags is still dead.

lets see all the ones i remember.

1.) Superman punch ------- K.o'ed Cyborg
2.) Beam trapped him
3.) Dumped in the phantom Zone
4.) Darkseid vaporized him and blew him to bits

Need I say more? Magneto can rip him to bits , K.O him , trap him.

And what’s horse Cyborg is metal the very thing Magneto likes ohhhhhhh hard to choose

If you can find a scan of Cyborg resisting powers like Mag let us know, I mean you don’t even need that to beat Cyborg it seems

And have you ever seen magneto being effect with his shield on?

Originally posted by kgkg
you are really overestimating Cyborg man he is good , but every time his been defeated easily.

lets see all the ones i remember.

1.) Superman punch ------- K.o'ed Cyborg
2.) Beam trapped him
3.) Dumped in the phantom Zone
4.) Darkseid vaporized him and blew him to bits

Need I say more? Magneto can rip him to bits , K.O him , trap him.

And what’s horse Cyborg is metal the very thing Magneto likes ohhhhhhh hard to choose

If you can find a scan of Cyborg resisting powers like Mag let us know, I mean you don’t even need that to beat Cyborg it seems

And have you ever seen magneto being effect with his shield on?

Once again, have you seen borg affected by magnetism? Show me where kryptonian metal is affected in such a way. What if Borg is using the whole environment and doesnt bother with a body?
I know Mags helmet blocks psychics from getting in..but his forcefield? I doubt it. I stated before that light, heat, cold, sound, and air get in. Borg could will his consciousness in and choke him with his own helmet or turn him to jelly with a sonic blast.
Mags doesn have kandorian beams, and what if Borg is the environent vs just a body. Trapping him is PIS. Lets be serious, the guy doesnt have a body or need a physical brain. He is ridiculously dangerous..thats why they keep his ass in the phantom zone.
Mags doesnt have a phantom Zone generator. Thats like saying Borg uses it on mags.
Darkseid was enhanced by a motherbox, it took 2 full powered omega beams and he was fighting an enhanced Supes simulataneously. Not many would survive that kind of assault...but borg did.

Mags forcefield doesn't necessarily prevent psychics from getting in, but an electrical field interferes with psionic energy, which would prevent psychics from getting in.

Magneto, when in his forcefield, is space worthy. Light, heat, cold, sound and air only get in if he chooses it to get in. He's made himself invisible by bending light around himself. He's made a hologram of himself. He's made his forcefield gray, which prevented anyone from even seeing inside of it.

Cyborg won't control or take over Magneto's helmet...Magneto exercises a greater degree of control over it than Cyborg. Cyborg infuses technology with his consciousness. Magneto operates at a more minute level - he controls it atomically. atomic control overrides control of consciousness.

Magneto could also disrupt Henshaw's mental connection to his tech body, if indeed Henshaw's mind is a separate entity. If Henshaw's mind isn't physically connected to anything, then he would HAVE to be communicating with the physical world psionically. Magneto can disrupt that psionic communication and prevent Cyborg from influencing anything at all. So Henshaw is in even more trouble, then.

Henshaw is stronger than I thought !!!
But still Ava, you havent proven that Henshaw is immune to MAGNETOKINESIS !!!

Originally posted by demigawd
Mags forcefield doesn't necessarily prevent psychics from getting in, but an electrical field interferes with psionic energy, which would prevent psychics from getting in.

Magneto, when in his forcefield, is space worthy. Light, heat, cold, sound and air only get in if he chooses it to get in. He's made himself invisible by bending light around himself. He's made a hologram of himself. He's made his forcefield gray, which prevented anyone from even seeing inside of it.

Cyborg won't control or take over Magneto's helmet...Magneto exercises a greater degree of control over it than Cyborg. Cyborg infuses technology with his consciousness. Magneto operates at a more minute level - he controls it atomically. atomic control overrides control of consciousness.

Magneto could also disrupt Henshaw's mental connection to his tech body, if indeed Henshaw's mind is a separate entity. If Henshaw's mind isn't physically connected to anything, then he would HAVE to be communicating with the physical world psionically. Magneto can disrupt that psionic communication and prevent Cyborg from influencing anything at all. So Henshaw is in even more trouble, then.

If Mags blocks light, air, heat, cold, and now sound.. he's basically got a deathtrap for himself. Totally blind. Not exactly optimum fighting conditions. If you want to go to extremes here, all of henshaws powers and intelligence far outweigh Mags.

Totally unproven here. Mags has more control over something that one who can inhabit it and bring it to life? When I see Mags control something like the source wall (separates the universe from the presence), altering it to what he wants....i'll believe it. Until then...borg wins this one.

Mags can affect what basically amounts to a "ghost" now? By the control you claim he has, I guess Mags can defeat Gladiator, Thanos, Thor, Hulk, Strange, Flash, Doom, and Galactus in his own ship.

Originally posted by ImmortalOne
Henshaw is stronger than I thought !!!
But still Ava, you havent proven that Henshaw is immune to MAGNETOKINESIS !!!

Nobody has proven that he is vulnerable to it either. If that day comes, I'll congratulate kG and demi on an debate well done. Nothing personal.

Right now, the guy has controlled the substance that separates mortals from GOD...and controlled a moon sized chunk of it.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
If Mags blocks light, air, heat, cold, and now sound.. he's basically got a deathtrap for himself. Totally blind. Not exactly optimum fighting conditions. If you want to go to extremes here, all of henshaws powers and intelligence far outweigh Mags.

Bending light doesn't mean he can't see. Remember, Magneto reads energy patterns. The forcefield becomes an internalized environment for himself, too. Like a pressurized airplane. he's fine within the bubble, it just won't let anything else come it unless he chooses for it to do so.

Totally unproven here. Mags has more control over something that one who can inhabit it and bring it to life?

Of course! think about it, when Cyborg inhabits something, he brings it to life that he were that thing. Similar to Crusher Creel. It, in every sense, becomes part of him. So that garbage can over in the corner, when Henshaw takes it over, becomes a living Garbage Henshaw. But the limitations still apply as if it were any other body. I've taken over my own body, right? But that doesn't mean I can control every atom and molecule in it. I can't even control my own heart beat. Ditto with "animating" other objects. You only have as much control as you would if it were your own body. Magneto's control extends to the stuff that makes up that object...on levels beyond conscious control. The fact that Henshaw possesses things rather than conventionally controls things actually puts him at a disadvantage relative to Magneto. It backfires on him terribly.

When I see Mags control something like the source wall (separates the universe from the presence), altering it to what he wants....i'll believe it. Until then...borg wins this one.

That's silly. No such thing exists in Marvel.

Mags can affect what basically amounts to a "ghost" now?

He can interupt psionic signals, similar to his long range hinderence of psionic signals that permanently limited psionic power on Marvel Earth, and similar to when he blocked psionic detection by FOUR telepaths at once during Fatal Attractions. He can inhibit psionic signal transmission, which would make it impossible of Cyborg to control anything.

By the control you claim he has, I guess Mags can defeat Gladiator

Thanos

Thor

Hulk

Strange, Flash

Doom

Galactus in his own ship.

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Nobody has proven that he is vulnerable to it either. If that day comes, I'll congratulate kG and demi on an debate well done. Nothing personal.

Right now, the guy has controlled the substance that separates mortals from GOD...and controlled a moon sized chunk of it.

So I did a quick read up on Henshaw just now. Apparently, he's limited to taking over technology. Electronics. At least according to the bio. Do you have scans of him taking over something non-techological? The source wall is arguably the ultimate form of techology in many ways, so that wouldn't count.

If Henshaw is limited to eletronics, then whether his metal is magnetic or not is irrelevant. electronics work by sending electrical impulses around. 1s and 0s and all that. Magneto controls electricity - he'd render all of that inoperable, making it impossible for Henshaw to function AT ALL. Magneto did this to sentinels and even CERAMIC armor built specifically to combat Magneto - he subverted its internal electronics.

Wow. Henshaw is going down SO hard. Poor guy. 🙁

Thats my point !!!!

THE TWO ARE ONLY GIVEN A HUUUGGEEE CHUNK OF ADAMANTIUM IN AN EMPTY DIMENSION !!!

Originally posted by demigawd
Bending light doesn't mean he can't see. Remember, Magneto reads energy patterns. The forcefield becomes an internalized environment for himself, too. Like a pressurized airplane. he's fine within the bubble, it just won't let anything else come it unless he chooses for it to do so.

Of course! think about it, when Cyborg inhabits something, he brings it to life that he were that thing. Similar to Crusher Creel. It, in every sense, becomes part of him. So that garbage can over in the corner, when Henshaw takes it over, becomes a living Garbage Henshaw. But the limitations still apply as if it were any other body. I've taken over my own body, right? But that doesn't mean I can control every atom and molecule in it. I can't even control my own heart beat. Ditto with "animating" other objects. You only have as much control as you would if it were your own body. Magneto's control extends to the stuff that makes up that object...on levels beyond conscious control. The fact that Henshaw possesses things rather than conventionally controls things actually puts him at a disadvantage relative to Magneto. It backfires on him terribly.

That's silly. No such thing exists in Marvel.

He can interupt psionic signals, similar to his long range hinderence of psionic signals that permanently limited psionic power on Marvel Earth, and similar to when he blocked psionic detection by FOUR telepaths at once during Fatal Attractions. He can inhibit psionic signal transmission, which would make it impossible of Cyborg to control anything.

Yes

No. Thanos has greater matter arrangement

Yes

Yes, and easily

He already took out Strange once and stalemated him another time. He takes out Flash.

Oh yeah

Nope. Galactus has total self atomic control.

A - Energy pattern reading - So does Borg.

B - Mags can control an object. Borg can not only control it, he can shape it and change it to how he wishes. He turned a toy into superman flesh, Mags does not have this type of control.

C - His consciousness hasnt been detected by anything. This includes GL rings.

D - Because the source wall doesnt exist in marvel, you just write it off? Thats silly. Its a conscious (self repairing) barrier to the great beyond, and borg had total control over a portion of it.

E - This scan shows just about everything I say. No metal or machinery here. A huge environment completely under his control.

Oh wait...if all Henshaw has in this empty dimension is a chunk of adamantium, this fight is done. no electronics around at all??? Cyborg has no options, then.

This is a serious mismatch. My work here is done.

B. Magneto doesn't just control an object. he controls it atomically. Cyborg hasn't shown the ability to do the same. So that shows Magneto's control works at a more minute level than Cyborg's, whose control seems limited to molecules AT BEST. And like the bios said, only machinery.

C. Mags doesn't have to detect his consciousness...he just has to set up a field preventing it from accessing any tech.

D. I'm not writing off the source wall. You're saying that the only proof you'll accept is Magneto controlling the source wall, which is impossible because there is no source wall in Marvel.

E. What is that scan? Where are they? What are those spheres? i've now consuted four different bios and they all say that Henshaw is limited to electronics. Where are they? His dialogue explaining where he is is cut off to the right.

Originally posted by demigawd
Oh wait...if all Henshaw has in this empty dimension is a chunk of adamantium, this fight is done. no electronics around at all??? Cyborg has no options, then.

This is a serious mismatch. My work here is done.

What are you talking about? Empty dimension? A void?
There are NO electronics there and he used what was around him. The source wall. I can tell you dont know what you are talking about now.
In a void...Mags is dead... he isnt surviving a void. Ridiculous.
Cyborg however can. 😄

Mismatch, Borg wins (easily)
I'm out of here. You can PM me if u want to keep on..and I''ll happily send you the full scan. This is now getting ridiculous.

You better than anyone should know bio's dont tell you everything.
The orbs are henshaws memories brought to life. The guy is incredibly powerful.

Originally posted by demigawd
Oh wait...if all Henshaw has in this empty dimension is a chunk of adamantium, this fight is done. no electronics around at all??? Cyborg has no options, then.

At last someone realized my point