If God created the universe, who created God?

Or did he just happen to pop out of nothing, which is essentially what the big bang theory is?

Many religious people often say "our world is too perfect to have come through random chance, it must've been created by a higher being, such as God"

My line of logic is "then this God must've been too perfect to just have come through random chance as well, and he must've been created by a higher being as well"

as you see, this leads to a circular argument

god created him self by pulling the handkerchief away

^^ 😂

Actually...there is a theory like the one you mention...no not you finti....Masterbruce....

I know what you mean, but thats not only a religion problem, thats how big bang theory is, random chance don´t answer the big bang theory ; scientists asks themselves what made the big bang happen, and religious people ask themselves if God created the universe, who created God?

Atlantis, the problem is that religious people DON'T ask who created God

There is no beginning, time is an illusion.

Maybe god is a great big circle...no beginning, no end...just round... 😕

PLEEEEASSSSSEEE..Somebody tell me....cause I don't know.....

If god could exist without a cause then so can the universe. That is, if god can be self-caused (or exist without a cause), and then have caused the universe, so, is the argument that the universe may be self-caused (or exist without a cause), and therefore be not caused by god, equally valid.

Originally posted by Storm
If god could exist without a cause then so can the universe. That is, if god can be self-caused (or exist without a cause), and then have caused the universe, so, is the argument that the universe may be self-caused (or exist without a cause), and therefore be not caused by god, equally valid.

The universe = God. In other words, the universe is the body and God is the mind.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The universe = God. In other words, the universe is the body and God is the mind.

Yeah, like that.....and the reason for it is to experience all there is....and we are parts of it.....

God =me=you=universe=visible=invisible.....All there is.....

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no beginning, time is an illusion.

Lunchtime doubly so.....

Originally posted by Bardock42
Lunchtime doubly so.....

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Originally posted by Shakyamunison
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What?

Originally posted by Bardock42
What?

I said, WTF?

In other words, what?

Originally posted by Storm
If god could exist without a cause then so can the universe. That is, if god can be self-caused (or exist without a cause), and then have caused the universe, so, is the argument that the universe may be self-caused (or exist without a cause), and therefore be not caused by god, equally valid.

Maybe thats the key to understand this. The usual concept of cause, and effect when thinking in questions like this seems to be self-contradictory, so maybe we should rethink cause and effect to have an answer. Maybe cause, and effect are not always as we think of it.

Originally posted by Atlantis001
Maybe thats the key to understand this. The usual concept of cause, and effect when thinking in questions like this seems to be self-contradictory, so maybe we should rethink cause and effect to have an answer. Maybe cause, and effect are not always as we think of it.

There is one aspect of cause and effect in Buddhism that is hard to understand, cause and effect are simultaneous and the same phenomenon.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I said, WTF?

In other words, what?

I know..and I said What?.....🤨

Originally posted by Bardock42
I know..and I said What?.....🤨

Time is space, so where is the beginning of space, then go two mm before that.

One thing is for certain........our current laws of physics have not always been applicable. The big bang theory (I still have my doubts on this one) is proof. The laws of conservation for both energy and matter could not always have been true........because at one point both had to be created.

Since the laws of physics have not always been applicable.......but appear to be applicable today this raises two questions.

1. Are we merely at a stable stage in the universe? Is it not possible that at any point in time these laws could become moot again, allowing for creation of matter and energy?

2. Are these laws even true to begin with? Is it not possible that we humans simply do not have enough knowledge of our universe to know how to create energy, how to create matter or how to do anything else contradictory to our current laws.

True.