Runner and Silver Surfer vs Justice League

Originally posted by kgkg
They win lol you must not know many things like always

Anyway

Flash was trying to steal Kinetic energy from superman at top mach speeds.

Runner can bend space/time; such tricks work on him kinetic energy any matter manipulator can pull it off.

There isn't any faster than Runner

And he is powerful enough to make superman look like shit he can take all JLa is nano seconds

Like it's not easy to prove you wrong most of the time, with your "facts" 😄 Anyway...Matter manipulation is the same as kinetic energy now???
Where does it say the speed that Flash steals is kinetic?

Look at the line up put against them. A GL can also bend space/time or how would they make wormholes to go through. 😕

It's simple, the JLA has and can combine powers that exceed what they would be individually. You haven't read too much JLA, have you?

Anyway, it seems flash is the wild card here. Show what makes runner so great and I can change my vote. Unlike you I can be flexible. 😄

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Like it's not easy to prove you wrong most of the time, with your "facts" 😄 Anyway...Matter manipulation is the same as kinetic energy now???
Where does it say the speed that Flash steals is kinetic?

Look at the line up put against them. A GL can also bend space/time or how would they make wormholes to go through. 😕

It's simple, the JLA has and can combine powers that exceed what they would be individually. You haven't read too much JLA, have you?

Anyway, it seems flash is the wild card here. Show what makes runner so great and I can change my vote. Unlike you I can be flexible. 😄

Flash was about to steal kinetic energy from Superman you don't know that?

Well no point arguing with you

and Runner exceeds light speed in no time , and he is a powerful elder.

You really are lost, what did you think jrod was talking about it?

Flash get's his ass kicked in less than a second.

NO Jla are a match for Runner

Well Silver and Runner would most likely whip the JLA's ass...but Flash would put up a good fight. He can't move nearly as fast as Runner or Silver, but he CAN run at light speed and beyond it, using something the duo doesn't know about: The Speed Force. Also, he could lend the JLA some of his speed and it would be possible for him to take away some of Runner's and Silver's speed but after all, we are talking about The Silver Surfer...I mean who the hell is more powerful then that? OK, maybe a lot of superheroes, but still...Jeesh, if he wanted to, the man could CREATE life!!!!! No contest here.

Originally posted by kgkg
From what you say shows you don't know much

Flash was about to steal kinetic energy from Superman you don't know that?

Well no point arguing with you

and Runner exceeds light speed in no time , and he is a powerful elder.

You really are lost, what did you think jrod was talking about it?

Flash get's his ass kicked in less than a second.

NO Jla are a match for Runner

Maybe thats why I was asking questions? 😆
Maybe I should be like you and think everyone has "infinite" powers 😉

Actually kgkg Flash wasnt going to steal Supermans speed. He just said that he COULD do it. Just to stop him cold.

I really dont know wmuch about Runner's speed or Surfers. I know Surfer can go xxxlightspeed, but the question i had was do they do it instantly? Or can they go faster than instant transmission?

Flash said and showed that he cracks time without breaiking a sweat. Do you not have to go lightspeed or faster in order to do that? It took him only a fraction of a second to do that. I think Flash is being underrated here.

Originally posted by jrodslam
Actually kgkg Flash wasnt going to steal Supermans speed. He just said that he COULD do it. Just to stop him cold.

I really dont know wmuch about Runner's speed or Surfers. I know Surfer can go xxxlightspeed, but the question i had was do they do it instantly? Or can they go faster than instant transmission?

Flash said and showed that he cracks time without breaiking a sweat. Do you not have to go lightspeed or faster in order to do that? It took him only a fraction of a second to do that. I think Flash is being underrated here.

Runner has no limit he can be anyone in time.

And is more powerful than Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by kgkg
Flash need to go be one with the speed force to go beyond light speed

Runner has no limit he can be anyone in time.

And is more powerful than Silver Surfer.

Regardless if Flash has to tap the speed force of not, he still cracks time in a fraction of a second.

Runner can be anyone in time or did you mean to say anywhere in time?

More powerful than Surfer in what ways? Blast wise? Strength? Durability? Stamina? Im not trying to be a wise ass or anything. I just dont much about him.

Because i dont know much about him or his speed, im not doubting anything you say. BUT i just wanted to know if he does it instantly. Or is he faster than instant transmission? He could be anywhere in time, you say, but has he tried? And if so, how long did it take him? If you dont know its cool. I just wanna know.

I need some proof of him actually being faster than Flash. Plus being able to avoid ghaving his speed stolen.

One bad guy made Wally run, as fast as he could, and wouldnt let him stop.. some magic or something.. and Superman and Jay garrick Flash had to chase him down, and they were falling more and more behind as Wally started tapping into the speed force, then Jay reached over and said "Sorry Superman, but I have to save wally" and brought supes to a halt, and ran down wally like he was standing still.

It's not that flash "needs" the speedforce to do these things, its just that the SpeedForce is what is beyond light speed, and once he touches it, he gains the potential to exist anywhere anytime in any place in Hypertime, even multiple places at once.

Anyways.

martian Manhunter wipes runners mind.
And Batman beats surfer with a new school batarang.

Whoa whoa...wait...let's not get carried away or be ridiculous here.

I think I remember Batman having an instant defense device in his toolbelt that activates automatically and is designed to take out any elders of any universes.

JLA owns this one. I'm sorry. Adding Batman made this unbalanced.

Exactly

That fraction of a second that Flash needs to reach lightspeed may as well be 20 years to Runner.

An yes, they are as immune to mental assaults as they are physical assaults.

As long as Runner tries, he wins this by himself.

damn, for a while there runner was getting some proper respect. looks like everyone forgot.

longpig wasn't kidding, the runner smacks around thanos and champion with no effort.

he really is silver surfer x10, but he also has the added bonus of being an empath.

In a fraction of a second Flash ripping time and leaving the 20th century would be like 20 years to the Runner?

Can you show or explain Runner doing someting like that in less than a fraction of a second? Or even being faster than instant transmission? Like i said before, i don know much about Runner, so proof would be nice.

jrod go back and read where he beats instant transmission.

You'll see that he had to reach the speed force before doing it.

Flash really isn't that fast, the speed force just slows time and reverses it the longer he's in touch with it. So beating instant transmission doesn't mean much since Flash went back in time.

Anyone with time travel abilities can beat instant transmission.

Runner is faster than Flash by who knows how much until Flash starts going back in time, then no one is faster except other time travel experts.

What does reaching the speed force have to do with anything? Its what he does to go faster.

"Runner is faster than Flash by who knows how much until Flash starts going back in time, then no one is faster except other time travel experts."

What about Flash going so fast that he beat death to the end of time. So thats going forward in time.

He did that in less than 3 minutes.

Originally posted by jrodslam
What does reaching the speed force have to do with anything? Its what he does to go faster.

"Runner is faster than Flash by who knows how much until Flash starts going back in time, then no one is faster except other time travel experts."

What about Flash going so fast that he beat death to the end of time. So thats going forward in time.

He did that in less than 3 minutes.

Runner is speed; he can go from this side of to another in instant.

Flash needs to accelerate and light speed isn't much; many cosmic can achieve multiple light speed limits.

Even if Flash could see Runner, it would be useless he is too powerful

Ok, let's say Flash and Runner are racing.

There is a mark in the middle of the race where Flash reaches light speed, then goes into the speed force.

Ok.

Runner starts off at 1000x light speed from the get go, he can run to the SF mark and back 100 times before Flash can start his first step.

Basically, Flash can go as fast as he wants as soon as he can reach the Speed Force, but against Runner, he'd never be allowed to reach it.

Did that make any sense?

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, let's say Flash and Runner are racing.

There is a mark in the middle of the race where Flash reaches light speed, then goes into the speed force.

Ok.

Runner starts off at 1000x light speed from the get go, he can run to the SF mark and back 100 times before Flash can start his first step.

Basically, Flash can go as fast as he wants as soon as he can reach the Speed Force, but against Runner, he'd never be allowed to reach it.

Did that make any sense?

runner and ss takes this i mean they all have it speed, durability , stamina absorbed more power cosmic to boast themselves. it would go like this

superman: did you fell that breeze
flash: (crouching in the corner) i think i just got speed raped

Originally posted by long pig
Ok, let's say Flash and Runner are racing.

There is a mark in the middle of the race where Flash reaches light speed, then goes into the speed force.

Ok.

Runner starts off at 1000x light speed from the get go, he can run to the SF mark and back 100 times before Flash can start his first step.

Basically, Flash can go as fast as he wants as soon as he can reach the Speed Force, but against Runner, he'd never be allowed to reach it.

Did that make any sense?

Now we are geting somewhere kinda.

How do you know that Runner starts off at 1000x lightspeed from the get go? All i want is proof on that, and im done with this. And suppose Flash steals his speed stopping him cold?