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Wow, someone's getting a little worked up over semantics.

That's a very obscure definition of theory and is not how the word is generally used, the first three are the ones that are generally used.

A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.

And actually, if you want to really be technical, in science very very rarely is anything said to be disproven or proven until there is an overwhelming amount of evidence. It's either supported or not supported.

They were proven wrong. All Im saying is that it isnt an opinion by definition. An opinion is a thought or judgement whose truth cannot be verified. Can we Verify the world isnt Flat? Yes we can. It was a theory..An assumption based on limited knowledge. Thats all I'm saying.
It was a Fact at the time the world was Flat. then it was no longer a fact cuz it was disproven. I didnt mean Facts could be wrong and still be Facts, I worded that poorly and I apologize. I mean they can be disproven and therefore are no longer facts. Like is something everyone believes today and we all agree is a Fact today is disproven tomorrow, does that change the fact that we thought it was a fact today?

Originally posted by Lana
Wow, someone's getting a little worked up over semantics.

That's a very obscure definition of theory and is not how the word is generally used, the first three are the ones that are generally used.

[b]A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
The branch of a science or art consisting of its explanatory statements, accepted principles, and methods of analysis, as opposed to practice: a fine musician who had never studied theory.
A set of theorems that constitute a systematic view of a branch of mathematics.

And actually, if you want to really be technical, in science very very rarely is anything said to be disproven or proven until there is an overwhelming amount of evidence. It's either supported or not supported. [/B]

bah dont give me that, that was the definition i was using. I can chalk it up to misunderstanding though =). Just as long as we are clear I didn't misuse the word. And im not mad , I just am excitable in debates lol. and as we all know emotion is hard to dictate in writing!

Also there is substantial evidence that says the world isnt flat lol. so it was disproven!

Originally posted by Pezmerga
They were proven wrong. All Im saying is that it isnt an opinion by definition. An opinion is a thought or judgement whose truth cannot be verified.

Point proven. Because believing the Earth was flat was a thought and judgement that could not be verified.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
It was a Fact at the time the world was Flat. then it was no longer a fact cuz it was disproven.

What the crikey? It wasn't a fact that the Earth was flat was it? Jesus Christ. Am I really sitting here trying to convince someone that the Earth has never been flat?

They believed it was, that doesn't mean it was. They believe it was for sure, that doesn't mean it was. Because it has never been, so their opinion was wrong.

-AC

I mean it was a Fact at the time they believed the world was flat smartass=P .

and yes it could be verified!!!!!!!!! It WAS VERIFIED!!!

Ever hear of Magellan?

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I mean it was a Fact at the time they believed the world was flat smartass=P .

I'm well aware.

It was never a fact that the Earth was flat, because it's a fact that it's not flat.

I swear my brain cells hurt. You can't actually seriously believe what you're saying and I refuse to believe you do. You're joking.

-AC

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I mean it was a Fact at the time they believed the world was flat smartass=P .

and yes it could be verified!!!!!!!!! It WAS VERIFIED!!!

So you are saying that it's a fact that they believed the world was flat?

Correct.

Is it a fact that the world was flat? No.

Can you disprove that they believed it? No.

Can you prove that their belief was incorrect? Yes.

Sum of all that? The opinion was an incorrect one.

Take a step back and look at the whole picture.

So your saying that if something we believe is a fact today is disproven tomorrow it changes the fact that it was a Fact today?

Victor it was a theory not an opinion. at least not the defintion im familiar with....

An Opinion is a thought or Judgement who's truth cannot be verified. Obviously we Verified the world isnt Flat.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
I mean it was a Fact at the time they believed the world was flat smartass=P .

and yes it could be verified!!!!!!!!! It WAS VERIFIED!!!

Ever hear of Magellan?

Magellan verified that it was ROUND, not flat.

There was no way to verify that it was flat, because it wasn't. It was never a fact. Simply believing something to be true does NOT make it fact, in anyway.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
So your saying that if something we believe is a fact today is disproven tomorrow it changes the fact that it was a Fact today?

Believing something to be a fact and it actually being one are two very different things.

-AC

Originally posted by Pezmerga
So your saying that if something we believe is a fact today is disproven tomorrow it changes the fact that it was a Fact today?

It's not a fact just because we believe it's a fact. It's an opinion.

Actually starting to feel the energy sapping from my very being.

Originally posted by Lana
Magellan verified that it was ROUND, not flat.

There was no way to verify that it was flat, because it wasn't. It was never a fact. Simply believing something to be true does NOT make it fact, in anyway.

DUH, thats my point. He verified it was round. A.C. said they couldnt verify the world was round so it was an opinuion by definition but i pointed out they could verify it. =P are you actually reading the posts?

Ok A.C. I will give you that , , it was never a Fact. but was believed to be so. if you wanna be Technical about it. Still dont mean it was an opinion though.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's not a fact just because we believe it's a fact. It's an opinion.

Actually starting to feel the energy sapping from my very being.

I'm feeling braincells dying at a very rapid rate....

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Ok A.C. I will give you that , , it was never a Fact. but was believed to be so. if you wanna be Technical about it. Still dont mean it was an opinion though.

Yes, yes that's exactly what it means. It's not a fact. It was a belief.

An opinion.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, yes that's exactly what it means. It's not a fact. It was a belief.

An opinion.

-AC

Not an opinion. remember it could be Verified. It was a Theory.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
DUH, thats my point. He verified it was round. A.C. said they couldnt verify the world was round so it was an opinuion by definition but i pointed out they could verify it. =P are you actually reading the posts?

Ok A.C. I will give you that , , it was never a Fact. but was believed to be so. if you wanna be Technical about it. Still dont mean it was an opinion though.

He was saying that the Earth couldn't be verified to be FLAT. Because it wasn't. YOU'RE not reading the posts.

And believing something doesn't make it fact. According to that idea, God's existance would be fact because people believe in it. I could decide that I believe that it'll start raining pink marshmellows and it'll be fact.

Sorry, doesn't work like that.

i just said ok it doesnt =P dotn make it an opinion though

Originally posted by Pezmerga
Not an opinion. remember it could be Verified. It was a Theory.

How could it BE VERIFIED? THE EARTH IS ROUND.

Originally posted by Pezmerga
i just said ok it doesnt =P dotn make it an opinion though

If it has NO evidence to back it up, yet someone believes it, it is their OPINION that it is true. It is neither theory nor fact.

I never should have introduced that example. I honestly thought it'd be easy.