VENOM vs. WOLVERINE (the scans) /and general wolverine misconceptions...

Originally posted by leonidas
<<also about the super strength thing...again..something I've been trying to argue since I got here...glad to see someone else understands it...>>

he MUST have superstrength. hell, it was evident in his first appearance where he breaks out of all those chains. wolvie is a strange character. in their first meeting, roughhouse almost killed wolvie, wolvie couldn't hurt him with punches, but later, it was like roughhouse became a joke or something and wolvie pummeled him. you've shown scans of wolvie taking on all these dudes, and in an xmen issue he's fighting a bunch of soldiers with the other xmen present and he gets a spear driven through him from behind and he falls. you show him taking all this massive damage, but in a wolverine book and tank shell explodes near him and hurts him a lot, he takes out the tank which blows up. wolvie dives away but even still just the shockwave of the blast ko's him. then of course there's the time the old man drove his sword through a door and into wolvie's heart and he would have been dead right then and there but for jean's 'spectre's' interference. numerous times his healing factor has not been able to overcome a simple drug (wolvie mini, yet another arc where he fought roughhouse - i think that was where tigershark came in? - just to name a couple) but at the same time he can almost instantly heal from a hundred gunshots. but inconsistently again, stab wounds and sword slashes have hurt him terribly.

the biggest problem i've ALWAYS had with wolvie is that his capabilities fluctuate wildly at times, moreso than with any character i've ever read in any comic. at times, he seems more like pre-c supes than anything else with what he is shown to do and survive.

He fluctuates because of his popularity.

He was ko'ed by thing and hulk in the pics presented with "glancing blows", now he is taking shots from namor w/o falling, so I would say that his powers fluctuate, and show very clearly. He also falls from a chop from DD.

Also to add that wolverine did SIGNIFICANTLY less well against namor the prior time sys alot too.

His healing is a plot device from writer to writer, and in that case its always PIS/CIS in a minor sense, kind of like bats belt...

^ok. so you saying "everytime"? all the time?

😆 rollin 😆

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
By the time wolverine cuts wall down, spiderman moved on.

Spiderman can demolish a wall faster than wolverine.

But nice discussion.

no..................no he can't...he can punch holes in walls...but wolverine's gonna be dropping it faster than petey.

Originally posted by leonidas
<<also about the super strength thing...again..something I've been trying to argue since I got here...glad to see someone else understands it...>>

he MUST have superstrength. hell, it was evident in his first appearance where he breaks out of all those chains. wolvie is a strange character. in their first meeting, roughhouse almost killed wolvie, wolvie couldn't hurt him with punches, but later, it was like roughhouse became a joke or something and wolvie pummeled him. you've shown scans of wolvie taking on all these dudes, and in an xmen issue he's fighting a bunch of soldiers with the other xmen present and he gets a spear driven through him from behind and he falls. you show him taking all this massive damage, but in a wolverine book and tank shell explodes near him and hurts him a lot, he takes out the tank which blows up. wolvie dives away but even still just the shockwave of the blast ko's him. then of course there's the time the old man drove his sword through a door and into wolvie's heart and he would have been dead right then and there but for jean's 'spectre's' interference. numerous times his healing factor has not been able to overcome a simple drug (wolvie mini, yet another arc where he fought roughhouse - i think that was where tigershark came in? - just to name a couple) but at the same time he can almost instantly heal from a hundred gunshots. but inconsistently again, stab wounds and sword slashes have hurt him terribly.

the biggest problem i've ALWAYS had with wolvie is that his capabilities fluctuate wildly at times, moreso than with any character i've ever read in any comic. at times, he seems more like pre-c supes than anything else with what he is shown to do and survive.

i understand...but the fact is his feats deemed PIS/CIS by a lot of the haters on here actually take place more consistantly than his lower end showings....read the first 100 issues of wolverine vol.1 and you'll see what I'm talking about....it's not more common for him to be hindered by such things as much as it is uncommon....

but I do see your point..

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
He fluctuates because of his popularity.

He was ko'ed by thing and hulk in the pics presented with "glancing blows", now he is taking shots from namor w/o falling, so I would say that his powers fluctuate, and show very clearly. He also falls from a chop from DD.

Also to add that wolverine did SIGNIFICANTLY less well against namor the prior time sys alot too.

His healing is a plot device from writer to writer, and in that case its always PIS/CIS in a minor sense, kind of like bats belt...

he did significantly "less well"?

not even...namor just wasn't being a prick, that's what happened to him in new invaders, he got overconfident and left himself open to attack...in their first fight he was fighting better (not just standing there talking trash with his arms crossed) and STILL wasn't able to put wolvie down...eat that....

the fact is these "glancing blows" you speak of are not without circumstance...before hulk hit wolverine with a glancing blow he slammed him into the ground while wolverine was chained up.....then when he DID hit logan, it was while logan wasn't looking....

yeah nice evidence there... 🙄

or how about the thing...the "fight" in which even mr. fantastic was telling thing how lucky he was that wolverine wasn't doing so hot already....

yeah...two GRRREAT examples 🙄

Originally posted by jinzin
no..................no he can't...he can punch holes in walls...but wolverine's gonna be dropping it faster than petey.

You are high again, umm spiderman already leveled a building.

Concussive force> Slashing when it comes to buildings, I thought you knew proificiencies.

Originally posted by jinzin
he did significantly "less well"?

not even...namor just wasn't being a prick, that's what happened to him in new invaders, he got overconfident and left himself open to attack...in their first fight he was fighting better (not just standing there talking trash with his arms crossed) and STILL wasn't able to put wolvie down...eat that....

the fact is these "glancing blows" you speak of are not without circumstance...before hulk hit wolverine with a glancing blow he slammed him into the ground while wolverine was chained up.....then when he DID hit logan, it was while logan wasn't looking....

yeah nice evidence there... 🙄

or how about the thing...the "fight" in which even mr. fantastic was telling thing how lucky he was that wolverine wasn't doing so hot already....

yeah...two GRRREAT examples 🙄

Even further proving my point that his power fluctuates more and more, good juob.

logan was RIGHT in hulk's face, and to top it off, he wasn't able to stab logan nor thing at first, hmmm..

On top of that he still didn't fly away from namor's punches, its all to make the comics look good my friend you still don't see that.

well...once I thought you knew comics...guess we shouldn't assume things huh?

here's concussive force being > than claws.....

Originally posted by Pointinel
^ok. so you saying "everytime"? all the time?

😆 rollin 😆

I've hope you've learned your lesson...

Originally posted by jinzin
well...once I thought you knew comics...guess we shouldn't assume things huh?

here's concussive force being > than claws.....

oh........nevermind....😕

Originally posted by jinzin
well...once I thought you knew comics...guess we shouldn't assume things huh?

here's concussive force being > than claws.....

Wow, I was talking about a brick building, I never said logan couldn't down it, but peter could faster.

You are saying slicing brick building is faster than concussive force, thats what you are saying there...

I didn't say logan COULDN'T down a building.

Originally posted by jinzin
....then when he DID hit logan, it was while logan wasn't looking....

or how about the thing...the "fight" in which even mr. fantastic was telling thing how lucky he was that wolverine wasn't doing so hot already....

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Wow, I was talking about a brick building, I never said logan couldn't down it, but peter could faster.

You are saying slicing brick building is faster than concussive force, thats what you are saying there...

I didn't say logan COULDN'T down a building.

peters only packing a class 15 strength level and hits with far less force than that....

he's not bringing down a building structure faster than wolverine can if wolverine just runs along the side of it with his claws...he's already done this....go read wolverine 2 to find out...

Originally posted by jinzin
peters only packing a class 15 strength level and hits with far less force than that....

he's not bringing down a building structure faster than wolverine can if wolverine just runs along the side of it with his claws...he's already done this....go read wolverine 2 to find out...

Nono, if wolverine is slicing a building, he is leaving slice lines in it.

Only a class 15, what does a boulder weigh?

If you are talking about a brick fully leveled building,he's bringing it down faster.

If you are talking about toothpick like structure, like you've shown, that can be strategically brought down.

Originally posted by who?-kid

Aha, so when he looks at his enemy, his durability increases.
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That was righter after Thing knocked him unconscious,right ? [/B]

okay....rolling with a punch...alot easier to do when you see it coming....hell I've seen a kid get knocked out by being hit with a baseball mit in the back of the neck while he wasn't looking...this guy was one tough s.o.b. and a baseball mit put him down...
unless you've ever fought I don't expect you to understand...

and in terms of the thing fight....mr. fantastic said wolverine was already messed up BEFORE thing hit him....

Originally posted by jinzin
okay....rolling with a punch...alot easier to do when you see it coming....hell I've seen a kid get knocked out by being hit with a baseball mit in the back of the neck while he wasn't looking...this guy was one tough s.o.b. and a baseball mit put him down...
unless you've ever fought I don't expect you to understand...

and in terms of the thing fight....mr. fantastic said wolverine was already messed up BEFORE thing hit him....

Dude, he's not rolling out of a punch that great, not if he is TRYING to do so.(ko him)

Wolverine doesn't ROLL out of everything, now you are making stuff up.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Nono, if wolverine is slicing a building, he is leaving slice lines in it.

Only a class 15, what does a boulder weigh?

If you are talking about a brick fully leveled building,he's bringing it down faster.

If you are talking about toothpick like structure, like you've shown, that can be strategically brought down.

or a ****ing building...I just told you wolverine did it to a 3 story bar by running his claws along the side of it..cutting 3 lines 1 foot deep into a wall is going to substantially weaken it's barrings...you're arguing over something you can't even prove while I can..........YET AGAIN.

Originally posted by CorderaMitchell
Dude, he's not rolling out of a punch that great, not if he is TRYING to do so.(ko him)

Wolverine doesn't ROLL out of everything, now you are making stuff up.

no I'm not..he's "rlled" out of quite a few punches and the sort....

good thing you guys are totally ignoring the fact that hulk slammed him down into the ground while he was chained up to begin with...of course you guys DO love to omit the facts...

Originally posted by jinzin
or a ****ing building...I just told you wolverine did it to a 3 story bar by running his claws along the side of it..cutting 3 lines 1 foot deep into a wall is going to substantially weaken it's barrings...you're arguing over something you can't even prove while I can..........YET AGAIN.

What are you blabbing about, I said he could dummy...

You are arguing something and you can't make it make sense.

A boulder hits it one time in the right spot its gone.

Why aren't demolition materials made to slice then?

This is what digi was talking about, you think posting scans means you are right.

Originally posted by jinzin
no I'm not..he's "rlled" out of quite a few punches and the sort....

good thing you guys are totally ignoring the fact that hulk slammed him down into the ground while he was chained up to begin with...of course you guys DO love to omit the facts...

What are you blabbing about, a punch at MAX.

Go to rotten.com and look up shotgun suicide and see if you can roll out of that.

Common sense, use it and apply it.