Originally posted by jaden101
anyone and everyone who says things like..."sounds suspicious" and "the pilots could have dropped altitude"...obviously they couldn't
That is totally ridiciulous. The fact that if there was gradual decompression the pilots would have simply lost altitude is not conspiracy, it is FACT. It is in fact a question about the incident that the investigators themselves are asking (if indeed the answer is gradual decompression; sudden decompression asks just as many questions, but different ones).
I was merely highlighthing that the full facts of the case have not yet become apparent because the investigators have only just started and the full facts are not in yet- the investigators themselves have lots of gaps in what they yet know. That is a million miles from conspiracy theory. How silly.
Latest news, I see, is that the offices of Helios Airways have been raided- I guess that makes dodgy maintenance a high suspect now.
well lets see...if it was a gradual decompression they could have indeed descended...but seeing as they didnt then it can be pretty easily construed that it was either a) rapid decompression resulting in paralyis, convulsion and unconciousness...or b)a gradual decompression in which the pilots decided it would be a good idea to let themselves and all the passengers die a long and painful death
given that a hole 5ft( say a door coming off) in diameter can completely decompress a plane in a fraction of second...shows you how quickly it can affect people
i think that given that the police have raided the offices of the airline that operated the planes...i think that some serious criminal negligence might be involved...most likely to do with safety operations
but you're right...we need to wait and see how the investigations go before people can claim it was a white wash cover up conspiracy remote controlled plane or whatever other jibberish they wish to talk about
There are now strictly unconfirmed reports that the original pilot of the plane had refused to fly, and stories coming out of earlier maintenance problems on Helios flights.
Several experts, it is reported, are looking at the possibility of carbon monoxide poisoning incapacitating the pilots first (the 'bad air' option I referred to earlier), but still no confirmations yet.
It also seems that one report of a message sent by a victim of the crash talking of thr freezing conditions in the cabin was a hoax; the man responsible has been arrested and charged. Not that there is much doubt that it was damn cold up there, due to the frozen condition of some of the bodies.
As suspicion is pointing more and more towards the air conditioning, the sudden decompression option looks less likely in favour of gradual with, as I say, bad air been the main current theory as to why nothing was done about that.
Which even if it is not so, I hope you note how things are rarely as simple as you might think, Jaden, and so such speculation is hardly the stuff of conspiracy theory.
A Colombian airline just crashed in Venezuela with 152 people on board.
Which even if it is not so, I hope you note how things are rarely as simple as you might think, Jaden, and so such speculation is hardly the stuff of conspiracy theory
quite the opposite...things are almost always as simple as they seem...good ol occums razor or principle of parsimony determines this
besides...you could see the plughole of where this debate was heading quite easily when correlation were being drawn between military jets being present and an airliner going down...
and given the previous form of people on the london bombings discussions...conspiracy theorists are far too abundant on this forum
Originally posted by jaden101
quite the opposite...things are almost always as simple as they seem...good ol occums razor or principle of parsimony determines this
ONLY once all the facts were in. In fact, you are applying the razor incorrectly. The simplest explanation as to why there was an inconsistency about the pilots not losing altitude was NOT that it must have been sudden decompression, as you suggested, but that there was something unknown as yet about the incident.
You took people saying that we don't have all the info yet, so avoid making conclusions, and took it to be conspiracy theory- odd.
We now have confirmation from the F16 video footage of flight crew (one of whom was a pilot, apparently) entering the cockpit and trying to regain control, which buries any idea of sudden decompression killing everyone.
The situation is now one of gradual decompression, but the cause for the incapacitation of the pliots, which prevented them from losing altitude, is still unknown; it also seems possible now that the black box was damaged in the crash-- they have so far only found the cover (contrary to some previous reports) and it does not look healthy.
i read the article on this in USA today. they say that two charred bodies were found hugging each other. man, thats just terrible. they knew they were gonna die so they just held each other until the end. stuff like this, when so many people are wiped out in the blink of an eye, kinda makes you look around and appreciate what you have, even if it aint much. my heart and prayers go out to the family of the victims.
i present facts of decompression and its effects on the body as opposed to ill informed "they could have done something" comments
yes nobody knows all the facts...so where does the "sounds very suspicious" aspect come into it.
even the effects of a slower gradual decompression has terrible effects on the body...its essentially the same thing that divers are effected by...the bends...when pressure in the body is higher than that of its surrounding and hence air forces its way out the body
symptoms...pain in the joints, confusion, memory loss, headaches, tunnel vision, extreme fatigue, behavioural changes, abdominal and chest pains, incontinance, muscle weakness and twitching, all over itching and pitting edema (small scars all over body)
and the same plane has already been reported as having compression problems