Fantastic Four versus Classic Juggernaut

Originally posted by Wynndar
HAHAHA...Ur just hating on the Thing...and saying colossus is better is simply your opinion. However, the Thing has many more impressive fights and accomplishments on his record. Colossus has beaten: Ord...a sentinel or two....*sigh*

Originally posted by long pig
Colossus is Stronger, Faster, Smarter, Better fighter, More Agile, More Durable....Thing is the weak link in the Fantastic Four.

Plus if it wasn't for thing . . I think there are two other popular heroes that wouldn't be around . . maybe just one though. . .

I'm going to go look that information up again.

They r just hating on the Thing, thats why nothing they say is based on fact or comics. Whats the most imressive thing Colossus has done? He has never demonstrated he was stronger faster or smarter than Thing. I would certainly say Colossus deals with heat better. Thing holds up to punches far better though. Thing and Colossus r not going to be relying on flame resistance in a fight between the two or Juggernaut though.

I say he's the wink link because I think all the people on his team could take him out one on one.

All depends on the writers. Thing was kinda mind controlled once and fought IW...sice he knows her and her powers so well he was able to actually mount an offense against her. Its the same way with the rest. If the FF fought themselves it wouldnt necessarily come down ot who's the most powerful.

Originally posted by Tony Stark
Obviously his momentum stopped when his face hit the ground right?

Or did he continually fall?

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His momentum stopped when he stopped walking.

And he stopped walking when his face hit the ground, so there ya go.😉

Sue could beat Juggernaut the same way she once beat Ben when he was mind conrtolled by Charisma:

Rather than trying to match him force against force, she made hundreds (thousands?) of tiny bubbles in a cloud around the Thing. All he was able to do was slip and fall all over the place. Juggy may be an unstoppable force, but he can and has stumbled. Sue could swath him in marbles long enough for Reed to go get the time stop ray, or whatever Plot Device he can cook up.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Sue could beat Juggernaut the same way she once beat Ben when he was mind conrtolled by Charisma:

Rather than trying to match him force against force, she made hundreds (thousands?) of tiny bubbles in a cloud around the Thing. All he was able to do was slip and fall all over the place. Juggy may be an unstoppable force, but he can and has stumbled. Sue could swath him in marbles long enough for Reed to go get the time stop ray, or whatever Plot Device he can cook up.

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Originally posted by Laminator_X
Sue could beat Juggernaut the same way she once beat Ben when he was mind conrtolled by Charisma:

Rather than trying to match him force against force, she made hundreds (thousands?) of tiny bubbles in a cloud around the Thing. All he was able to do was slip and fall all over the place. Juggy may be an unstoppable force, but he can and has stumbled. Sue could swath him in marbles long enough for Reed to go get the time stop ray, or whatever Plot Device he can cook up.

Jug isn't Ben. Jug isn't like any other bricks.

Jug doesn't have to walk or even need treading to move unstoppably forward, he just does it through magic, and he'd smash the bubble with it.

Cyttorak's enchantments>>>>>>>>>>>>>1000x bubbles.

Originally posted by Laminator_X
Sue could beat Juggernaut the same way she once beat Ben when he was mind conrtolled by Charisma:

Rather than trying to match him force against force, she made hundreds (thousands?) of tiny bubbles in a cloud around the Thing. All he was able to do was slip and fall all over the place. Juggy may be an unstoppable force, but he can and has stumbled. Sue could swath him in marbles long enough for Reed to go get the time stop ray, or whatever Plot Device he can cook up.

You make a good point, but there's a flaw in that. Like long pig said, Juggernaut is NOT Ben. It'll take a few seconds before Cain gets tired of Sue's mess, and then he erects his own force field and goes on his business of whoopin' ass.

Juggernaut basically is written to be a team destroyer. He is a match for any hero on earth one on one and any team one on one. It's he is and what he does. He takes your best and throws it back ten fold. He has already knocked out Thing in three punches bad writting or not. It wasn't like an Onslaught scenerio where a character was baiscally reworked to fit a story. Thing was Thing Juggernaut was Juggernaut cain wasn't playing around so he decided to take Thing out fast and did it in 3 punches. Human Torch flames don't work on Juggs Sue bubbles won't stop him force fields will only slow him putting bubbles in his body he won't even feel them. Reed needs time come up with anything and probably won't since Jugg is mystical in nature not Reed's field of expertise.

Oh it's been done already. Classic Juggernaut.

Definitely Classic Juggernaut. Newjak hit it right on the nose.

I think the only way they could beat Juggernaut is if Sue and/or Torch shot him/flew him into orbit as fast as they possibly could. Or at least into the ocean or something. Battlefield removal is what I'm saying.

Also, I think I might of replied to this thread already. And said the same thing.

Originally posted by Swanky-Tuna
I think the only way they could beat Juggernaut is if Sue and/or Torch shot him/flew him into orbit as fast as they possibly could. Or at least into the ocean or something. Battlefield removal is what I'm saying.

Also, I think I might of replied to this thread already. And said the same thing.

Won't work.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f77/t308157.html

Check out the section labeled "Leaving the field" posted by Tron.

What about it? We all know Juggernaut can walk on nothing but that would take a million billion years.

Jugs didnt KO Thing

Originally posted by Tron
His momentum stopped when he stopped walking.

And he stopped walking when his face hit the ground, so there ya go.😉

Flames do hurt Classic Jugs, nightcrawler did it with a torch....Human torch would wear his face out with Nova flame

I imagine his helmet would have to protect him from IW's force field to soem degree....but remove it and she could use a field to dislocate his nervous system just like Nimrod did. She also makes his retinas invisible limiting his poor fighting skills even further.

Originally posted by Wynndar
Jugs didnt KO Thing

Flames do hurt Classic Jugs, nightcrawler did it with a torch....Human torch would wear his face out with Nova flame

I imagine his helmet would have to protect him from IW's force field to soem degree....but remove it and she could use a field to dislocate his nervous system just like Nimrod did. She also makes his retinas invisible limiting his poor fighting skills even further.

Like I said juugernat has laughed of an exploding oil tanker. Deadpool poured a large vat of Molten steel on him and he din't even blink he didn'te even use hsi force feild. Even when depowered he still walked out of a exploding building after that werewolf Lobo hit a gas vein and blew it up.

So if you want to desperetly cling to some past contrivence (also his face didn't evne looked burned afterwards wo he might have jsut been talking out of his ass) to state your point it just looks ridicoulous.

exploding oil tanker does not reach the temperature of a star. Molten Lava? Torch's normal surface temperature VAPORIZES iron.

I'm desperately clinging? Why all this defamiting language? I'm talking about facts...If i wanted to get highly opinionated I would point out the fact that Jugs routinely loses to crime fighters like Spiderman and the X-Men while the F4 four fight space gods like the celestials.

Juggernaut was beaten by Nimrod, rather easily, by having his synapses dislocated. IW can place a forcefield in his nervous system...she could also destroy his brain but thats no fun.

IW could also turn his eyes invisible...then he would be blind...and even worse at h2h.

IW could make her and her teammates invisible...whats Jugs going to do then? use his heat seeking/dna detecting/sonic radar powers to find them?

IW's powers have shattered Exitar the Celestials armor, blasted a gaping hole in Galactus' chest, mystically protected or not, Juggernaut is going to be hard pressed to resist hyperspace itself.

The Torch has blasted a hole through the Earth into the core and expaned the planet...he can destroy the whole environment Juggernaut is working with.

Juggernaut was hurt when Nightcrawler hit him in the face with a torch in their first fight. He was utterly thrashed by Onslaught and turned into a coward. He was tought how to fly by Hulk. He was punched in his stomach, fell to his knees and was knocked out by a psionic backlash of the Hulk's. He was nearly killed by Nimrod. Juugernaut is not unstoppable...he has been beaten in almost every comic book he's appeared in.

Originally posted by Wynndar
exploding oil tanker does not reach the temperature of a star. Molten Lava? Torch's normal surface temperature VAPORIZES iron.

I'm desperately clinging? Why all this defamiting language? I'm talking about facts...If i wanted to get highly opinionated I would point out the fact that Jugs routinely loses to crime fighters like Spiderman and the X-Men while the F4 four fight space gods like the celestials.

Juggernaut was beaten by Nimrod, rather easily, by having his synapses dislocated. IW can place a forcefield in his nervous system...she could also destroy his brain but thats no fun.

IW could also turn his eyes invisible...then he would be blind...and even worse at h2h.

IW could make her and her teammates invisible...whats Jugs going to do then? use his heat seeking/dna detecting/sonic radar powers to find them?

IW's powers have shattered Exitar the Celestials armor, blasted a gaping hole in Galactus' chest, mystically protected or not, Juggernaut is going to be hard pressed to resist hyperspace itself.

The Torch has blasted a hole through the Earth into the core and expaned the planet...he can destroy the whole environment Juggernaut is working with.

Juggernaut was hurt when Nightcrawler hit him in the face with a torch in their first fight. He was utterly thrashed by Onslaught and turned into a coward. He was tought how to fly by Hulk. He was punched in his stomach, fell to his knees and was knocked out by a psionic backlash of the Hulk's. He was nearly killed by Nimrod. Juugernaut is not unstoppable...he has been beaten in almost every comic book he's appeared in.