Originally posted by Wynndar
exploding oil tanker does not reach the temperature of a star. Molten Lava? Torch's normal surface temperature VAPORIZES iron.I'm desperately clinging? Why all this defamiting language? I'm talking about facts...If i wanted to get highly opinionated I would point out the fact that Jugs routinely loses to crime fighters like Spiderman and the X-Men while the F4 four fight space gods like the celestials.
Juggernaut was beaten by Nimrod, rather easily, by having his synapses dislocated. IW can place a forcefield in his nervous system...she could also destroy his brain but thats no fun.
IW could also turn his eyes invisible...then he would be blind...and even worse at h2h.
IW could make her and her teammates invisible...whats Jugs going to do then? use his heat seeking/dna detecting/sonic radar powers to find them?
IW's powers have shattered Exitar the Celestials armor, blasted a gaping hole in Galactus' chest, mystically protected or not, Juggernaut is going to be hard pressed to resist hyperspace itself.
The Torch has blasted a hole through the Earth into the core and expaned the planet...he can destroy the whole environment Juggernaut is working with.
Juggernaut was hurt when Nightcrawler hit him in the face with a torch in their first fight. He was utterly thrashed by Onslaught and turned into a coward. He was tought how to fly by Hulk. He was punched in his stomach, fell to his knees and was knocked out by a psionic backlash of the Hulk's. He was nearly killed by Nimrod. Juugernaut is not unstoppable...he has been beaten in almost every comic book he's appeared in.
I didn't think it was insulting but if it was then I retract the words.
This doesn't change the outcome.
There is far more evidence to support the belif that Juugernatu is indeed fireproof. While you only have one inceidnet, where he didn't acually show any sign of being hurt except for what he said, to say that he can be hurt by fire. Meaning you think Torch's flames cna become hot enough but that isn't based on anything while the belif that Juggs is immune to flame is based onhis feats.
Now Juugernat has with stood the Godblast that shattered a celestial sheild and sent Galactus packing for his life, without a scratch and that is a Mystical Attack, which he actaully has some vulnerabilty to unlike Torch's entiely psycial attack. So it is safe to say that if the God blast which has done things comparable to what Sue and Johhny have done wiht the maximum use of their powers is it not safe to say then that the powers would only slightly affect him?
Nimrod would own the Fantastic Four, in a no prep fight. Reed would be the only one of use there but that is neither here nor there. He took vision sticking his hand into his head so I don't see why sue's focefield would be any different.
As for the Hulk, the hulk doesn't have any psychic powers so how could he get hurt by a psychic backlash from the Hulk? Mayhaps you have your facts mistaken?
The Hulk got knocked the **** out by Juggernaut, it just took him a couple more hits than it did to knock out Thing. The most Hulk ever did was toss him around or kncok him down but the Hulk never knocked him out under hsi own power.
Of course he isn't unstoppable, its hyperbole because he has been stopped on occasion, this doesn't hlep the Fantastic Four any though. How do you even know that Sue's force feilds could get through to juggernat's eyse or Brain? You don't. Who cares if Storm Blows up the planet Juggernaut doesn't can survive in space. They all turn invisible? Foot stomp or Handclap and Sue's force feilds colapse from the backlash.