Superman versus The Joker
To make things just a little more fair, the joker has preptime, and he gets to have BigBlue come get him, I personally think that even though Marvel tends to have better character writers and development, The Joker is the greatest villain of all time and i will explain if needed, but ill cut to the point. I say Joker under the given circumstances.
Re: Superman versus The Joker
Originally posted by King KAM
To make things just a little more fair, the joker has preptime, and he gets to have BigBlue come get him, I personally think that even though Marvel tends to have better character writers and development, The Joker is the greatest villain of all time and i will explain if needed, but ill cut to the point. I say Joker under the given circumstances.
WHAT?!?! Joker is WAY to smart and WAY to resourceful, he will pull some of his connections and he will trap The Man of Steel, with relative ease, The Joker is too good of a tactician for Superman , Superman doesnt have the mind to defeat Joker I PROMISE he will fall right into the trap...all he needs is kryptonite, and some lead....and he will make a trap that contains and kills Sup with relative ease, people underestimate The Joker but in reality the only person smart enough to defeat him is good ol' Bats
Originally posted by King KAM
WHAT?!?! Joker is WAY to smart and WAY to resourceful, he will pull some of his connections and he will trap The Man of Steel, with relative ease, The Joker is too good of a tactician for Superman , Superman doesnt have the mind to defeat Joker I PROMISE he will fall right into the trap...all he needs is kryptonite, and some lead....and he will make a trap that contains and kills Sup with relative ease, people underestimate The Joker but in reality the only person smart enough to defeat him is good ol' Bats
..he could prob also just punch superman and kill him.....
Originally posted by colossus17I would expect that kind of reply out of a man whos favorite Hero is Collosus a second rate hero, with AVERAGE development and story board, The Joker is just too complex for you to realize truely how dangerous he is.
..he could prob also just punch superman and kill him.....
Just for fun Strength
Number Explanation Lifting Range Example
1 A normal man. 200 pounds Brain, Helga Jace, Ma Kent, Merryman, Mokkari, Secret, Simyan, Turtle II
2 Kid Flash II, Lois Lane, Jimmy Olson, Oracle, Pa Kent, Linda Park-West, Penguin, Perry White, Robin IV, XS
3 A person with exceptional human strength, equivalent to that of professional weight lifters. 400-800 pounds Argent, Harvey Bullock, James Gordon, Huntress II, Rene Montoya, Alfred Pennyworth, Robin III, Star Girl, Starman VII, Amanda Waller
4 Arsenal, Black Canary II, Blue Beetle II, Catwoman, Flash I, Flash III, Max Mercury, Nightwing, Plastic Man, Green Lantern I
5 This is the level of maximum human strength. 900-1600 pounds Azrael II, Batman I, Fire, Green Lantern V, Guardian, Hawkman I, Joker, Lex Luthor, Maxima, Mister Terrific II
6 Deathstroke, Dubbilex, Jesse Quick, Lightray, Metron, Obsidian, Ray II, Starfire II, Steel III, Triad
7 This is super-human strength, capable of bending a steel crossbar. 3-6 tons Black Condor II, Dolphin, Granny Goodness, Hawkman II, Highfather, Ice, Killer Croc, Platinum, Takion, Tempest II
8 Amazing Man II, Animal Man, Atom II, Atom Smasher, Black Lightning, Firestorm I, Hippolyte, Lashina, Mister Bones, Risk
9 A person with strength of sufficient force to demolish a concrete bunker. 12-25 tons Aquaman, Firestorm II, Geo-Force, Hellgramite, Hourman I, Parasite, Steel II, Stompa, Superboy, Vandal Savage
10 Artemis, Blockbuster II, Blue Devil, Cyborg I, Etrigan, Extant, Red Star, Robotman II, Wonder Girl II, Zauriel
11 The power of the individual's strength can rupture a steel wall. 50-100 tons Big Barda, Bork, Broot, Bulletman, Captain Comet, Doctor Fate I, Kilowog, Mantis, Mordru, Tasmanian Devil
12 Atomic Skull, Atom I, Big Bear, Damage, Hourman III, Knockout, Lead, Metamorpho, Troia, Übermench
13 The individual can summon strength to crush titanium without real effort or throw a car a half mile (this can be done at 15). 200-800 tons Abnegazar, Behemoth, Devilance, Ghast, Hammer, Iron Munro, Rath, Starro
14 Iron, Jaffar, Shaligo, Pig-Iron, Pyron, Supergirl I, Warrior
15 Big Sir, Ferro, Gole, Mammoth, Prometheus I, Starman V, Triumph, Trok, Vril Dox II
16 At this level of strength, most barriers, natural or man-made, cannot stop this individual, as he can easily demolish a fortified bunker. 1,600-6,400 tons Captain Nazi, Gorilla Grodd, Infinity Man, J'emm, Lobo, Slig, Wandjina
17 Death-Rite, Uncle Sam, Solomon Grundy
18 Ace Android, Amazo, CM3, Garv, General Eiling, Maxwell Lord IV, Metallo, Power Girl, Johnny Thunderbolt, Timber Wolf
19 This individual possesses strength equivalent to that of the giants of ancient legends. 12,800-51,200 tons Mary Marvel, Mongul, Son of Vulcan, Thunder III
20 Abaddon, Black Adam, Captain Marvel, Despero I, Eclipso, L-Ron, Martian Manhunter, Strata, X'Hal
21 Kalibak, Ultivac, Wonder Woman I
22 At this level the individual possesses god-like strength. 102,400-409,600 tons Ares, Captain Atom, Dev-Em, Orion, Ultra Boy
23 Major Force, M'onel, Sister Andromeda, Superwoman, Ultraman
24 Yuga Khan
25 Being with strength in this range have Titan-level prowess. 819,200-3,276,800 tons Bizarro, Cyborg II, Darkseid, Eradicator, Spectre I, Spectre II, Superman I
26
27 Doomsday
28 This is entity-level strength. Small celestial bodies are obliterated with the exercise of this level of strength. 6,553,600-13,107,200 tons Monitor
29
30 Anti-Monitor, Trigon, Vali
Originally posted by King KAM
I would expect that kind of reply out of a man whos favorite Hero is Collosus a second rate hero, with AVERAGE development and story board, The Joker is just too complex for you to realize truely how dangerous he is.
your mom was also complex and i figured her out just fine....
Okay, you guys must not realize just how cunning The Joker really is. Man, Marvelites read some DC Comics, please.
With Preptime the Joker would set up three or four gigantic "Jack-in-the-Boxes" One goes off first confusing Superman, then the next pops up and out of the mouth start shooting a barrage of kryptonite bullets.
Don't count out that happening because of Superman's superspeed either. Because there have been villains that have countered that before. (Lex for one) Don't think Joker doesn't know what to do.
The Joker is just plain crazy and EVERYTHING he does is completely unexpected (or at least according to the plot, we the readers usually expect some things he usually does.) He's the ONLY character that actually SCARES Batman. And he knows all of Superman's weaknesses. A prepped Joker is not to be underestimated.
Now, do I think that the Joker would win in a most case scenario? No. And here is why. Superman has palled around with Batman long enough to know to keep his guard up against the main Bat villain. He knows to "expect the unexpected" when up against Joker. But if you think a prepped Joker is so easily disposed of by a character with such obvious weaknesses, then you obviously need to pick up a DC Comic every once in a while.
I say Superman 7/10. Joker at least 3/10.
I'm not so sure about them REALLY scaring Batman, but if that's true then..
...Okay, so maybe he's not the ONLY character to scare Batman, but he's one of the very select few. I'm sure you'll agree.
But that's not the point anyway. Joker is being underestimated here. So whether or not he's the only one to scare Batman or even if he doesn't scare Batman at all doesn't really matter.
What matters is whether or not he can defeat Superman or whether or not Superman defeats Joker easily.