Superman versus The Joker

Originally posted by dawsey28
Okay, you guys must not realize just how cunning The Joker really is. Man, Marvelites read some DC Comics, please.

With Preptime the Joker would set up three or four gigantic "Jack-in-the-Boxes" One goes off first confusing Superman, then the next pops up and out of the mouth start shooting a barrage of kryptonite bullets.

Don't count out that happening because of Superman's superspeed either. Because there have been villains that have countered that before. (Lex for one) Don't think Joker doesn't know what to do.

The Joker is just plain crazy and EVERYTHING he does is completely unexpected (or at least according to the plot, we the readers usually expect some things he usually does.) He's the ONLY character that actually SCARES Batman. And he knows all of Superman's weaknesses. A prepped Joker is not to be underestimated.

Now, do I think that the Joker would win in a most case scenario? No. And here is why. Superman has palled around with Batman long enough to know to keep his guard up against the main Bat villain. He knows to "expect the unexpected" when up against Joker. But if you think a prepped Joker is so easily disposed of by a character with such obvious weaknesses, then you obviously need to pick up a DC Comic every once in a while.

I say Superman 7/10. Joker at least 3/10.

While I agree that Joker is being underestimated, you are also overestimating his abilities. With all of his cunning and knowledge of Superman's weaknesses, Joker is still pretty much just a man, or whatever you'd call him. He's no uber powered being that's for sure.

You've said yourself that Superman isn't so easily contained. So no matter what Joker uses against him, whether it be kryptonite, magic, or red sunlight radiation, Superman will get free and Joker's not going to be able to do much once he does.

I'd change that 7/10 to 9/10 or maybe even 10/10 if I were you.

Well, I suppose you are right. I gave the win to Superman, but prepped Joker should get more respect.

jeebus how many joker fanboys are there... one finger that's all supes needs, hell he could do a supersonic drive by punch .

Oh boy. The stupid "fanboy" argument. 🙄

Dawsey and I BOTH said Superman would win in a most case scenario.

And it's a prepped situation, so Superman is going to have a something waiting for him. Joker may be insane, but he's not stupid.

No i'm not saying youre a fanboy .. king kam on the overhand 😆

Oh. 😮

Joker beats him with a crownbar after singing a sweet chin music on his face.

How about it?

King KAM
well said....joker is power ally....

Originally posted by King KAM
To make things just a little more fair, the joker has preptime, and he gets to have BigBlue come get him, I personally think that even though Marvel tends to have better character writers and development, The Joker is the greatest villain of all time and i will explain if needed, but ill cut to the point. I say Joker under the given circumstances.

Originally posted by King KAM
Yeah i know she told me, you guys have the same taste in dresses and panties, since you and you favorite characters have a little bit of sugar in the tank.

ur mom also had my sugar

Joker would lay a suprise or two for Supes.

But it wouldn't be anything that Supes wouldn't be able to handle.

That's my two pence. 🙂

Superman would make quick work of Joker

el fin.

Superman already took down Joker I think.

nothing joker can do an take down supes. hed need kriptonite

supes is immune to all of jokers toxic weapons, so thats no help there either

Originally posted by Wanderer259
Just being a picky, but I've seen that said about a lot of people, how they're the "Only person to scare the Batman". This list includes Vandal Savage, Ra's Al Ghul, Deathstroke, etc. and now the Joker.

Originally posted by dawsey28
Okay, you guys must not realize just how cunning The Joker really is. Man, Marvelites read some DC Comics, please.

With Preptime the Joker would set up three or four gigantic "Jack-in-the-Boxes" One goes off first confusing Superman, then the next pops up and out of the mouth start shooting a barrage of kryptonite bullets.

Don't count out that happening because of Superman's superspeed either. Because there have been villains that have countered that before. (Lex for one) Don't think Joker doesn't know what to do.

The Joker is just plain crazy and EVERYTHING he does is completely unexpected (or at least according to the plot, we the readers usually expect some things he usually does.) He's the ONLY character that actually SCARES Batman. And he knows all of Superman's weaknesses. A prepped Joker is not to be underestimated.

Now, do I think that the Joker would win in a most case scenario? No. And here is why. Superman has palled around with Batman long enough to know to keep his guard up against the main Bat villain. He knows to "expect the unexpected" when up against Joker. But if you think a prepped Joker is so easily disposed of by a character with such obvious weaknesses, then you obviously need to pick up a DC Comic every once in a while.

I say Superman 7/10. Joker at least 3/10.

Originally posted by Wanderer259
Just being a picky, but I've seen that said about a lot of people, how they're the "Only person to scare the Batman". This list includes Vandal Savage, Ra's Al Ghul, Deathstroke, etc. and now the Joker.

Originally posted by dawsey28
I'm not so sure about them REALLY scaring Batman, but if that's true then..

...Okay, so maybe he's not the ONLY character to scare Batman, but he's one of the very select few. I'm sure you'll agree.

But that's not the point anyway. Joker is being underestimated here. So whether or not he's the only one to scare Batman or even if he doesn't scare Batman at all doesn't really matter.

What matters is whether or not he can defeat Superman or whether or not Superman defeats Joker easily.

Originally posted by spidermonkey
Dawsey, while I agree that Joker is being underestimated, you are also overestimating his abilities. With all of his cunning and knowledge of Superman's weaknesses, Joker is still pretty much just a man, or whatever you'd call him. He's no uber powered being that's for sure.

You've said yourself that Superman isn't so easily contained. So no matter what Joker uses against him, whether it be kryptonite, magic, or red sunlight radiation, Superman will get free and Joker's not going to be able to do much once he does.

I'd change that 7/10 to 9/10 or maybe even 10/10 if I were you.

Originally posted by dawsey28
Well, I suppose you are right. I gave the win to Superman, but prepped Joker should get more respect.

i say superman

give joker some cred guys he cant die unless u destroy the joker card in his coat pocket dont forget that cause some people dont give him enough cred cause the dont think he has powers but in fact he does

i say superman cause joker can still be restraned,ko'ed and superman would not have a problem with that

Okay, so Joker gets prep and lays a few traps. He makes his getaway once or twice maybe even three times. He kills a lot of people and Superman gets ticked but in the end Joker gets caught and that's the end of his run in Metropolis. Odds are Joker gets some Kryptonite and still can't kill Superman.

Good story but no matter how many ways you slice it, it's still bread.

Originally posted by Psyquis52
Okay, so Joker gets prep and lays a few traps. He makes his getaway once or twice maybe even three times. He kills a lot of people and Superman gets ticked but in the end Joker gets caught and that's the end of his run in Metropolis. Odds are Joker gets some Kryptonite and still can't kill Superman.

Good story but no matter how many ways you slice it, it's still bread.

✅

There was actually a comic from a few years that chronicled this. Basically Joker had poisoned Lois, and from there Superman went to Batman for help. The two of them went to Arkham's insane asylum to meet the confined Joker, and Joker explained to them that he has a cure for the poison, but it would involve Superman having to inject Joker with some potion that'll create the cure inside Joker. The only catch is that the process will kill Joker.

You see even Joker himself realized that he could of course never physically defeat Superman, so he had to get into Superman's mind and heart in order to do so.

Throughout the issue Superman argued with Batman about injecting Joker with the cure, to the point that as the Joker expectantly waits with the needle Superman grabs a defending Batman by the neck and yells at him to get him out of the way. But Batman keeps telling him that that is what Joker would want, to effectively defeat all that Superman stands for and having the Joker win posthumously.

Finally Superman relents, and back at the hospital they essentially watch Lois die from the poison. But a few seconds later her heart suddenly restarts, and Lois returns to normal health. It seems that Joker had purposely made the poison to only be temporary. Batman comments to Superman that if he would've gone through with killing the Joker in order to get the antidote, it would've been the cruelest joke ever to realize he would've killed Joker all for nothing. Joker knew this action would've probably made Superman go insane again, like when he killed those Phantom zone characters, making Joker the true winner.

So essentially Joker almost beat Superman, not physically but mentally. Btw a really great line is at the end:

Superman: You mean to tell me Joker would've killed himself all for a joke. But that's-

Batman: -insane. Tell me about it.