mace windu, Yoda and Qui Gon Jinn verses Dart Maul, Darth Tyranus and lord sidious

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
1. I wouldn't say that if I were you. If that is the case, than Anakin did indeed overpower and outfight Count Dooku all on his own. If that is true - then I suppose Count Dooku really isn't on par with Yoda as we all like to believe. Because in the movie, it never stated that Dooku was holding back.

2. In Attack of The Clones - Dooku was on the offensive and tried to attack Yoda using the Force. Yoda nullified it all, and only once threw the lightning back. Dooku reflected it. All other times, Yoda simply casted the debris away instead of trying to harm Dooku. And no. Yoda and Sidious are on par with one another in the Force. They are the strongest in the movies.

Funny how Yoda shook while shaking the debris off, eh?

Obviously, you have no logic in that brain of yours. For real.

It didn't have to state that. Dooku could have ripped Anakin apart. Dooku can whoop Obi Wan. Obi Wan WHOOPED Anakin. Anakin kills Dooku. Dooku had so many opportunities to kill Anakin during that fight. You need to watch it again. He didn't. He wanted to be sentenced by the Council, but Palp had other plans. Dooku could have raped Anakin. That's just the bottom line. AND THE BOOKS ARE NOT CANON! AT ALL! Was Fisto beheaded during ROTS? HUH? HUH?

Notice how I did NOT say they were cannon, so you can stop acting like a 9 year old and calm your ass down. And don't even start the whole logic crap. Logic can be interpreted various ways. General Grievous was made out to be a total badass, but Obi-Wan owned him like a schoolboy. Is that logical? No. But it happened.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Notice how I did NOT say they were cannon, so you can stop acting like a 9 year old and calm your ass down. And don't even start the whole logic crap. Logic can be interpreted various ways. General Grievous was made out to be a total badass, but Obi-Wan owned him like a schoolboy. Is that logical? No. But it happened.

I'll start what i want, and if you want me to calm my ass down, come to my house and say it to my face. Until then, don't tell me to do shit.

Grievous was a coward, not a Bad ass.

This is 100 percent speculation. I told you, in sheer skill, it is likely Dooku is better. But do I think he could ever beat Yoda? Hell no. I doubt anyone but you does. Hell, not even Janus does.

Redeemer, stop acting so immature, okay? Damn, you're acting like a nine year old. Sorry to say, I really doubt Dooku would ever in his life take Yoda. And like I said, logic can be interpreted in many ways. Your way of thinking apparently isn't God's word, so stop trying to say you're right. Because apparently you have no proof to back yourself up. 😉

Firstly - Obi-Wan did not whoop Anakin. They were evenly matched with Obi-Wan constantly on the defensive. No, sorry, if Obi-Wan could whoop Anakin - the fight would have been fifteen seconds, tops. But it wasn't. So no, Obi-Wan did not WHOOP Anakin. Nice try.

Secondly - Dooku never once had the advantage on Yoda. Not saying Dooku would get creamed - as he is a phenomenal duelist - but he would most likely lose, considering how Yoda is stronger in the Force as well as harder to hit.

So. If Yoda and Dooku ever had a rematch - no Death Star plans to sequester away - and no interferance from an outside party, I believe Yoda would win. It wouldn't be a quick fight, but he would win in the end, and Dooku would lose. In my opinion, at least.

And please don't say I "have no logic in my brain". I haven't seen you address all of the facts I've thrown your way. Just a few, and then you ignore them completely and just spout of fan speculation. At least I give proof when I defend Sidious OR Dooku.

Originally posted by Redeemer
Um... Dooku could tool Sidious in a lightsaber fight... Yoda cannot.

Where did you get that from ? We saw Yoda fighting how long against Sidious with a lightsaber ? 15 seconds ? 30 seconds ? And in this time Sidious didn't manage to attack Yoda once. So the only thing you can say is that Dooku is > Sidious.

Dooku was on par with Yoda on the AOTC fight. Dooku left because he had the plans of the Death star on him.

Really. As much as I like Dooku but I can't hear it anymore.Here...I guess the movie script IS canon:

COUNT DOOKU whirls his lightsaber in a formal salute. YODA
draws his lightsaber. Suddenly, COUNT DOOKU charges across
the space at YODA. He rains down blows upon the tiny
figure. YODA doesn't budge an inch. For the first part of
the contest, he parries every cut and thrust that COUNT
DOOKU aims.Nothing the great swordsman tries gets through.
His energy drains. His strokes become feeble, slower.

YODA attacks! He flies forward. COUNT DOOKU is forced to
retreat. Words are insufficient to describe the range and
skill of YODA's speed and swordplay. His lightsaber his a
humming blur of light. Finally, their blades cross and the
fighting slows.

YODA: Fought well you have, my old Padawan.

As much as I like Dooku but compared to Yoda he's the inferior swordsman. And if the only reason for him to leave was that he had the plans for the Death Star he wouldn't have duelled with Yoda or at least have killed Yoda after distracting him. Dooku - in fact - left because he knew that he can't win this fight. This is what the script seems to tell us...Dooku was about to lose (see description of the fight and what Yoda says). And the only other source contradicting this is the AotC novel which is not as canon as the movies script - I guess.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Where did you get that from ? We saw Yoda fighting how long against Sidious with a lightsaber ? 15 seconds ? 30 seconds ? And in this time Sidious didn't manage to attack Yoda once. So the only thing you can say is that Dooku is > Sidious.

Really. As much as I like Dooku but I can't hear it anymore.Here...I guess the movie script [b]IS canon:

As much as I like Dooku but compared to Yoda he's the inferior swordsman. And if the only reason for him to leave was that he had the plans for the Death Star he wouldn't have duelled with Yoda or at least have killed Yoda after distracting him. Dooku - in fact - left because he knew that he can't win this fight. This is what the script seems to tell us...Dooku was about to lose (see description of the fight and what Yoda says). And the only other source contradicting this is the AotC novel which is not as canon as the movies script - I guess. [/B]

This is akward, because there is two points in the movie that shows open shots towards Yoda. Maybe Yoda is better in Lightsaber combat. There is a scene where Yoda quickly puts his feet on Dooku's ship and Dooku has an open slice but doesn't make a move. That's f*cked.

But yeah, i guess Yoda is the better duelist. He does have 850 something years of Experience and probably knows Dookus fighting, considering he knew him pretty well and probably trained him a bit.

Originally posted by Redeemer
[B]This is akward, because there is two points in the movie that shows open shots towards Yoda. Maybe Yoda is better in Lightsaber combat. There is a scene where Yoda quickly puts his feet on Dooku's ship and Dooku has an open slice but doesn't make a move. That's f*cked.

Hmm ? Where was that ?

But yeah, i guess Yoda is the better duelist. He does have 850 something years of Experience and probably knows Dookus fighting, considering he knew him pretty well and probably trained him a bit.

Well...Dooku was Yoda's padawan and that means Yoda did train him from age 13 on to the time Dooku became a Jedi Knight including training fights.

maul beats qui gon. dooku beats windu, sidious beats yoda. all those fights have happened. unless they mix it up the sith win. i dont see any of them taking on sidious, yoda would definatly come the closest, windu could probably take maul but qui gon couldnt take dooku. so if they mix it up a bit the jedi could get one or two kills in but overall they lose. i cant be bothered explaining it all but in my mind sidious could have taked mace had he decided to use his full force powers. had dookus fight with yoda continued he would have lost. i know people will pick this apart demanding explainations but i cant be bothered right now. history shows the winners will be the sith. although if the jedi can take out maul quickly theyd have alot better team work than the sith so i guess they have a chance. id still give it to the sith though.

Originally posted by Darth Somebody
Firstly - Obi-Wan did not whoop Anakin. They were evenly matched with Obi-Wan constantly on the defensive. No, sorry, if Obi-Wan could whoop Anakin - the fight would have been fifteen seconds, tops. But it wasn't. So no, Obi-Wan did not WHOOP Anakin. Nice try.

Secondly - Dooku never once had the advantage on Yoda. Not saying Dooku would get creamed - as he is a phenomenal duelist - but he would most likely lose, considering how Yoda is stronger in the Force as well as harder to hit.

About the Grievous not being a coward thing....

The following is from the ROTS Script....

GENERAL GRIEVOUS enters the escape pod bay through the hatch. The Droid General goes to a control panel and opens an escape pod.

GENERAL GRIEVOUS jumps onto a WHEEL SCOOTER and takes off down the wall of the sinkhole.

For someone who is so fearful, he sure loves to run away from Situations.

If he is so powerful and could whoop Anakin and Obi's ass, why didn't he stay on his ship and deal them out instead of throwing an electro-staff at the window in an attempt to have them be sucked into space instead of scrapping them?

Hell, why didn't he try to stay to fight Obi Wan? Probably because Obi Wan cut off two of his bloody hands. Grievous was scared to take on Obi Wan, but Obi Wan hunted him down and kicked his arse!

Mace knows it too!

(Taken from script for Episode III)

MACE WlNDU: General Grievous will run and hide as he always does. He is a coward.

BAM!

Oh, and quit calling me a nine year old. At least i am not afraid to show my age on my profile. Do you hide your age because you are underage for this forum or because you are ashamed of your age?

Hmm ? Where was that ?

Like i said, the part where Yoda bounces off the ship.

Easy Sith win.
Dooku beats Mace.
Maul beats Qui-Gonn.
Sidious might kill Yoda, but even if he fails, Yoda would not have managed to kill him, too. Three Sith to Yoda would be too much even for the ancient Master.

i dont think grievous fled becuaes obiwan cut off two of his hands. i think he was trying to overwhlem him with four but it didnt work so he was going to get serious. he realised cutting sick and trying to overwhelm obi wan wouldnt work. after their cut off he says "army or not, you must realise, you are doomed."it wasnt until he was thrown up and lost the sabers that he took off. its not really cowardly to leave when you have no weapon against one of the greatest jedi in the galaxy. i think its stupidity rather than courage to stand there with no change of winning and get killed poinlessly. on his ship he knew he couldnt take on anakin and obi wan. and even if he could his ship was falling apart. he did the intellegent thing and left. not the stupid thing and try and take on two enemys at once when he knew that one alone might be more than enough to kill him. he seems to know his limits and act accordingly rather than just jump into a hopeless situation and get killed. no only would he die pointlessly, hed be pretty useless as a general if he was stupid enough to stand there and get killed for pride and delusions of grandure. that said i dont think he could take on obi wan, hes just too good. i dont think obi wan trashed anakin, his style is too defencive for him to trash anyone. its just not what he does. i do think he was better though, more experience and knowlege of the force. even in power he can stand toe to toe with anakin. he probably couldnt hold out in terms of raw power vs raw power though, hence the defencive style and giving alot of ground. anakin sees him falling back and grows more and more arrogant about his ability, works in two ways for him. this is off topic but i saw it posted here so i thought id add my opinion.

Originally posted by Redeemer
About the Grievous not being a coward thing....

The following is from the ROTS Script....

[B]GENERAL GRIEVOUS enters the escape pod bay through the hatch. The Droid General goes to a control panel and opens an escape pod.

GENERAL GRIEVOUS jumps onto a WHEEL SCOOTER and takes off down the wall of the sinkhole.

For someone who is so fearful, he sure loves to run away from Situations.

If he is so powerful and could whoop Anakin and Obi's ass, why didn't he stay on his ship and deal them out instead of throwing an electro-staff at the window in an attempt to have them be sucked into space instead of scrapping them?

Hell, why didn't he try to stay to fight Obi Wan? Probably because Obi Wan cut off two of his bloody hands. Grievous was scared to take on Obi Wan, but Obi Wan hunted him down and kicked his arse!

Mace knows it too!

(Taken from script for Episode III)

MACE WlNDU: General Grievous will run and hide as he always does. He is a coward.

BAM!

Oh, and quit calling me a nine year old. At least i am not afraid to show my age on my profile. Do you hide your age because you are underage for this forum or because you are ashamed of your age? [/B]

1. Stop trying to insult me, m'kay? Even Nai backed me up on this one, so clearly you're wrong and we're right.

2. Who the HELL is talking about Grievous? You said Obi-Wan whooped Anakin. I'm telling you he didn't and you brought up Grievous. By the way, "fearful" means to have a lot of fear in you. So it DOES make sense that if he's fearful, he runs away from situations. You were most likely looking for the word fearless. And I never said Grievous was NOT a coward. I said he turned craven after his battle with Mace? M'kay? Good.