Magneto Vs All Jedi.

Magneto can open a blackhole, what are the Jedi going to do then?
Magneto's strongest force field withstood attacks from MJOLNIR, remember what's Mjolnir?Thor's hammer.
Magneto can just emit an Omni Beam like that of Iron Man blasting them with various wavelenghts of energy and kill them all.
He can just increase gravity stucking them to the ground.
Both Jedi and Sith need to be focused on the fight to use their powers.
How can you focus if 1000 or more metallic spikes are storming in the battlefield at half of the speed of sound?Or gravity is so increased you can't even blink and breath
Magneto can even control weather, what about lightning bolts striking the battefield near every single Jedi?
Plus with his helmet, telepathy doesn't work, no mind tricks, no chances to know what he's gonna do.
Asteroid M was powered up and moved from MAGNETO himself, same was for Avalon.
Understand it?
This guy is like Graviton, a force of the nature.
A Sith was able to destroy a planet?
Are there proofs of it or it's just speculation?
Maggy has facts, and can do what I'm saying, the man is too much powerful for the Jedi, someone that can contain and absorb Nuclear Strikes like when he did before fighting Joseph must not be underrated.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Magneto can open a blackhole, what are the Jedi going to do then?
Magneto's strongest force field withstood attacks from MJOLNIR, remember what's Mjolnir?Thor's hammer.
Magneto can just emit an Omni Beam like that of Iron Man blasting them with various wavelenghts of energy and kill them all.
He can just increase gravity stucking them to the ground.
Both Jedi and Sith need to be focused on the fight to use their powers.
How can you focus if 1000 or more metallic spikes are storming in the battlefield at half of the speed of sound?Or gravity is so increased you can't even blink and breath
Magneto can even control weather, what about lightning bolts striking the battefield near every single Jedi?
Plus with his helmet, telepathy doesn't work, no mind tricks, no chances to know what he's gonna do.
Asteroid M was powered up and moved from MAGNETO himself, same was for Avalon.
Understand it?
This guy is like Graviton, a force of the nature.
A Sith was able to destroy a planet?
Are there proofs of it or it's just speculation?
Maggy has facts, and can do what I'm saying, the man is too much powerful for the Jedi, someone that can contain and absorb Nuclear Strikes like when he did before fighting Joseph must not be underrated.

🙁 No love for the Jedi....none at all. Thousands, man...thousands.

And yeah, look up Exar Kun (a Sith Lord). Took out a planet by himself. If I could name the source I would, but it's been a long time.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Magneto can open a blackhole, what are the Jedi going to do then?
Magneto's strongest force field withstood attacks from MJOLNIR, remember what's Mjolnir?Thor's hammer.
Magneto can just emit an Omni Beam like that of Iron Man blasting them with various wavelenghts of energy and kill them all.
He can just increase gravity stucking them to the ground.
Both Jedi and Sith need to be focused on the fight to use their powers.
How can you focus if 1000 or more metallic spikes are storming in the battlefield at half of the speed of sound?Or gravity is so increased you can't even blink and breath
Magneto can even control weather, what about lightning bolts striking the battefield near every single Jedi?
Plus with his helmet, telepathy doesn't work, no mind tricks, no chances to know what he's gonna do.
Asteroid M was powered up and moved from MAGNETO himself, same was for Avalon.
Understand it?
This guy is like Graviton, a force of the nature.
A Sith was able to destroy a planet?
Are there proofs of it or it's just speculation?
Maggy has facts, and can do what I'm saying, the man is too much powerful for the Jedi, someone that can contain and absorb Nuclear Strikes like when he did before fighting Joseph must not be underrated.

Damn, denial is a rough river to ride on.

DigiMark is right... That many Force users would destroy Magneto, who wouldn't know what the hell they are in the first place. And anything major Magneto does will take time and probably kill him.

GIve some respect to SW man !!!

But still Maggy wins !!!

Magneto. I agree with K3VIL.

Inside his force field, Mags cannot be harmed. He could simotaneously activate all their lightsabers and use them against themselves. While creating giant fissures in the earth, causing massive storms, using their own weapons against them, altering gravity, etc. this fight wouldn't be a test of endurance. It wouldn't take Mags more than a couple of hours of erradicate them all.

This would have been like 10,000 english soldiers attacking a nearly impenetrable spanish castle with no catapults or battering rams to open the doors of the castle. They simply coudln't do any damage to anything inside the castle. It is just a matter of time, before they are all filled w/ arrows.

It's an interesting question, in a way: COULD they eventually overwhelm him? Obviously, despite the occasional person gushing about jedi killing planets (yeah, right -- once again, that's no doubt why Sidious needed Death Stars), when of course jedi aren't even close to that powerful ... still, numbers count for a lot.

But so does mobility. Magneto has flight, as was pointed out before, whereas the jedi do not. If he needs a breather, he can leave anytime he likes and come back when it suits HIM (as opposed to when the jedi are also ready again). How would they prevent him from doing so?

And ANYthing metal -- not just what the jedi are carrying, but also anything else -- is a weapon. He could rip a swarm of nails out of some nearby construction and turn them into the equivalent of a claymore mine ... repeatedly. He could use the accumulated iron torn from their lifeless bodies to form ball bearings that he could then whip around in violent whirlwinds right along with the lit lightsabers he's doing the same thing with, shredding the bodies of the still-living.

And it doesn't take a lot of thought to realize that he could easily erect obstruction to impede the jedi if it became necessary for some reason.

He ... just has too many ways to win. Magneto could theoretically be beaten in this fight, but it's really HIS fight to lose.

People keep forgetting how powerful jedi AREN'T. Seeing how even in heavyweight battles like Yoda vs. Dooku and Yoda vs. Sidious, their powers top out at really low-level telekinesis ... that tells you all you need to know. 😉

Edit: The only thing I can think of the jedi MAYBE doing is using Force Choke -- ALL of them at once or something. Since it has no range limitation (as I understand it), that might work. Of course, Light-Side jedi wouldn't do this ...

Edit #2: Also, don't confuse what the Force can theoretically do with what Force-users can do. Theoretically, magic in many magic-containing worlds is also limitless, but that doesn't mean that the power of spellcasters who use it is.

I seem to be the last defender of the Jedi (even though they barely belong in this forum anyway). But this is fun so I'll continue.

It's an interesting question, in a way: COULD they eventually overwhelm him? Obviously, despite the occasional person gushing about jedi killing planets (yeah, right -- once again, that's no doubt why Sidious needed Death Stars), when of course jedi aren't even close to that powerful ... still, numbers count for a lot

No, Sidious can't destroy planets, and not many can. But, remember the thread title...we're still talking about ALL Jedi, including one who can (Exar Kun).

But so does mobility. Magneto has flight, as was pointed out before, whereas the jedi do not. If he needs a breather, he can leave anytime he likes and come back when it suits HIM (as opposed to when the jedi are also ready again). How would they prevent him from doing so?

Here we get into some power discussions. The Jedi can pull him down with TK, and even if it is low-to-mid level TK, multiply it by thousands (probably tens of thousands) and you've got a force (pun intended) that will keep Magneto grounded.

And ANYthing metal -- not just what the jedi are carrying, but also anything else -- is a weapon. He could rip a swarm of nails out of some nearby construction and turn them into the equivalent of a claymore mine ... repeatedly. He could use the accumulated iron torn from their lifeless bodies to form ball bearings that he could then whip around in violent whirlwinds right along with the lit lightsabers he's doing the same thing with, shredding the bodies of the still-living

Same deal. First it assumes that there'll be metal around, and also that the Jedi can't resist it. Will Mags pull some lightsabers away and kill some Jedi with nails and whatever else is around?? Yes, of course. But will he kill all of them before the Jedi mount an assault?? Not even close. If all the Jedi have to do is block a few nails from hitting them, none of them will be dying that quickly...and even Mags doesn't have enough power to rip thousands of lightsabers away from trained telekinetics.

And it doesn't take a lot of thought to realize that he could easily erect obstruction to impede the jedi if it became necessary for some reason

Using what? Apparently the fight is in a used-metal junkyard....because I don't see how this would happen in a normal setting. And it still wouldn't be anything a lightsaber couldn't get through.

People keep forgetting how powerful jedi AREN'T. Seeing how even in heavyweight battles like Yoda vs. Dooku and Yoda vs. Sidious, their powers top out at really low-level telekinesis ... that tells you all you need to know. 😉

That's because you're only using the movies (and the books are canon, so I can go here). By Old Republic standards (thousands of years before the movies) Yoda is just an average Jedi....that's right, I went there. Same with Sidious. They're the most powerful around that we see in the films, but hundreds of Sith Lords would give Sidious a run for his money, and many would win handily.

Numbers count for a lot...a group of about 50 Jedi, each of whom is less powerful than, say, Yoda, worked together and moved a Star Destroyer in one of the books. Star Destroyers...those things that are the size of cities. Mags would be getting thrown around like a rag doll before he got done with his opening sinister monologue.

-DM 😎

No, Sidious can't destroy planets, and not many can. But, remember the thread title...we're still talking about ALL Jedi, including one who can (Exar Kun).

Well now see, I wonder about that. I don't know much about Exar Kun at all, in fact, but I DO know a little bit about how character abilities get overblown (Batman is perhaps the worst offender, but there are plenty of others). So I did a check on the Star Wars Databank about him, and all I saw about planet-destroying was this phrase: "His followers triggered ancient technologies that detonated the stars of the Cron Cluster, wiping out entire worlds and searing the surface of Ossus."

Is that what you mean? Because the way you describe it, it sounds like he just glared at a planet and made it go "boom" ... but then if he could do that, why would he need his followers to "trigger ancient technologies"?

Sounds to me a lot like he needed his own version of a Death Star ...

Here we get into some power discussions. The Jedi can pull him down with TK, and even if it is low-to-mid level TK, multiply it by thousands (probably tens of thousands) and you've got a force (pun intended) that will keep Magneto grounded.

Maybe ... maybe not. It's difficult to quantify this exactly, but it's theoretically possible. Of course, since they can't all be attacking him this way at once (line of sight!), he could still rip apart the front lines and then duck away again as the TK holding him down vanishes. Too many people at once can actually hinder each other as much as help. It becomes one big friggin' Charlie Foxtrot ... especially with whirlwinds of metal death spinning through the ranks like giant lawnmowers ...

Same deal. First it assumes that there'll be metal around

Why wouldn't there be? There's at least trace metal almost anywhere you happen to be. There's iron in your BLOOD, and that's all Mags needs. It's not like he needs a construction site to get enough metal to work with.

and also that the Jedi can't resist it.

Resist it how? When the most powerful among them are barely low-end telekinetics and most of them aren't even remotely THAT powerful?

Will Mags pull some lightsabers away and kill some Jedi with nails and whatever else is around?? Yes, of course. But will he kill all of them before the Jedi mount an assault?? Not even close. If all the Jedi have to do is block a few nails from hitting them

... and the iron from being stripped from their blood, and their own sabers from being swung at them, and all trace metals in the area surging up to attack them ... etc. ...

none of them will be dying that quickly

Most of them will be mere cannon fodder. The only ones we've even named are Yoda, Sidious, Luke and Exar, and those are WAAAAY beyond normal jedi levels.

...and even Mags doesn't have enough power to rip thousands of lightsabers away from trained telekinetics.

Well, that may be. It's hard to say.

The reason I decided Mags would win is because unlike the jedi, he has the ability to enter or exit the battlefield at will. He has mobility ... and that counts for a LOT. And it's been mentioned, too, that if he REALLY got serious, he could turn the entire PLANET against the jedi by screwing with gravity. I think that's a little more than they can really fight back against. 😉

Magneto's control over EM Spectrum and Magnetism will make Jedi/Sith telekinesis looking like a freak show, a joke.
This man can levitate things like Avalon or Asteroid M, and use his powers to power up them, both Avalon and Asteroid M where island size objects.
SW telekinesis my socks.
Magneto will just snap his finger, make the crystals in the Jedi/Sith sabers explodes or send the sabers short circuit, bye bye Jedi, bye bye Sith.
What about creating an omnidirectional blast of heat that will destroy them?If he can melt steel, he'll reduce them to ashes.Or what about a black hole teleporting them into space?
Jedi and Sith only have telekinesis against him.
And that's not a menace I can tell you.
Magneto was able to STOP and THROW Mjolnir against Thor, using his control over magnetism.
His force fields can be so powerful that almost any attack will not get through them.The blood trick is a last chance attack Erik doesn't need.
He could just make the ground open and make them fall into it, or create a lightning storm plus a blizzard of metal spikes and object.
What about blasting them with so much electricity to power up a city?
The Jedi are just way out of their league.

Mags can't just blink and switch polarity of a planet, and I have the example of Jedi moving a friggin Star Destroyer when there was only about 50 of them. Somehow that should be enough, and no more Jedi using TK doesn't hinder anything...the Star Destroyer incident is proof enough of that.

Even your average Jedi can lift a ton with TK, so we're talking about tens of thousands of tons of telekinetic force coming down on Mags whe all of them are involved.

And the EM spectrum does indeed cover a lot...but the Force is Everything, including the EM spectrum. Simply assuming that Mags' powers supercede the Jedis' powers is to value the part more than the whole.

Yeah, the Exar Kun things are rather vague. The "technologies" spoken of are merely repositories of stored Sith Lord power that Kun channeled to help him destroy stuff. Technically it was a part of him, though I suppose the case could be made that his "base power" is less than that (though he was still probably the most powerful Jedi/Sith ever). It's been forever since I read his stuff, but that's the gist of it.

Even without him, my argument doesn't change.

Trouble is, aside from superior battlefield mobility, Mags also has the advantage that he can't get in his own way.

I mean, 10,000 jedi? As the bodies pile up, they're going to be tripping over one another, stumbling into lit lightsabers spinning around wildly in mid-air like berserk propellers, pushed from behind and in front simultaneously as the mass of bodies surges this way and that in desperate bids to avoid inescapable death ... blinded by the massive sprays of blood getting in their eyes, slipping and stumbling over the intestines and kidneys and such strewn about ...

Will any of them even be able to draw a BEAD on Magneto after the first few minutes? 🙂)

Count on at least a few hundred to die just from being accidentally trampled by their own allies in that massive CF.

And the EM spectrum does indeed cover a lot...but the Force is Everything, including the EM spectrum. Simply assuming that Mags' powers supercede the Jedis' powers is to value the part more than the whole.

I'll take one person who has essentially total mastery over the EM spectrum over 10,000 people who can barely sort of just slightly use "everything" (and actually, they can't -- light-side jedi can generally only use light-side powers, and dark-side jedi can generally only use dark-side powers ... even if they try the other side of it, they can't do it very well at all).

Again, it really doesn't matter how powerful the Force might theoretically actually be. Magneto isn't trying to beat the Force itself -- only some people who can kind of sort of tap into it a little tiny bit.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Even your average Jedi can lift a ton with TK, so we're talking about tens of thousands of tons of telekinetic force coming down on Mags when all of them are involved.

Felt it deserved repeating. Not sure how Mags would do anything once this started happening, which would be in the opening seconds of the fight. It would basically be like a few hundred pissed off Hulk's trying to kill him at the same time.

The epic, body-laden, lightsaber battle you envision probably wouldn't even need to happen. Though the lightsaber is the adamantium (i.e. indestructible) of the SW universe, and Mags won't be ripping them away from thousands of trained telekinetics. If he can't fly because the Jedi are pulling him down (a very real possibility) he'll be boned in a hurry.

Oh, or we could use the X beat Y = Z theory....Go see the Magneto vs. Hulk thread that made it to a few dozen pages. I'd vote Mags, but it's a good fight. Then check out one of many Yoda vs. Hulk threads. A few think Hulk, but the majority go with the little green dude. Yoda's a tiny fraction of the force (pun intended) against Mags here.

They're wrong anyway. A dozen Yodas working together couldn't beat Hulk unless he's been taking valium. Yoda vs. Hulk is one of the dumbest threats ever -- on par with my own Harley vs. Thor -- and only serves to show how outlandishly overrated jedi have become.

Scenario 1: Yoda dangles him motionless in the air (which isn't outlandish...an X-Wing weighs more than Hulk) and holds him him there while sending him soothing thoughts until he reverts back to Banner.

Scenario 2: Yoda jumps around, using the Force as pre-cog to avoid Hulk, and slices his head off with a lightsaber. Adamantium can pierce Hulk, so can a lot of other stuff, and a LS would too. He's got a great healing factor, but a head-lopping would prove too much.

...not so outlandish....not to mention the fact that of the three possible deaths for Magneto I offered in the last post, only one of them (and, to be honest, the easiest to attack) was refuted.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Scenario 1: Yoda dangles him motionless in the air (which isn't outlandish...an X-Wing weighs more than Hulk) and holds him him there while sending him soothing thoughts until he reverts back to Banner.

Scenario 2: Yoda jumps around, using the Force as pre-cog to avoid Hulk, and slices his head off with a lightsaber. Adamantium can pierce Hulk, so can a lot of other stuff, and a LS would too. He's got a great healing factor, but a head-lopping would prove too much.

...not so outlandish.

Decapitation? Hulk has a healing factor superior to Wolverine's -- couldn't he perhaps regenerate from even that?

Also bear in mind that he doesn't have to actually hit Yoda. He could just stomp the ground or do a hand-clap and win, as neither can be dodged. A sufficiently enraged Yoda could hit Yoda dead-on regardless of his precognition, using sheer speed ... but it wouldn't be necessary.

Scenario 1 would be possible if Hulk wasn't already too ticked off. Beyond a certain point, it wouldn't work at all and would probably only anger him further, even. Not to mention he'd probably resist the attempt.

Yoda might survive a barely angry Hulk ... but that's it.

Well, we've strayed off topic, but it seems we're at odds regardless of which one we're debating on. I still have a couple other possible Magneto deaths from a few posts ago (besides the X+Y=Z thing), but we're on different levels of how we interpret Jedi power. So, well fought and all, but I can't say anything new that I haven't dealt with throughout this thread.

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