Magneto Vs All Jedi.

As Mission was Saying
"And magneto is supposed to defeat thousands of jedi?

Granted, magneto is the master of the EM Spectrum -- The em spectrum is merely a part of the Force.

Magneto can control things to a molecular level? The force manipulates the very essense of molecules.

The force is not a physical entity, it is not a ray of light, nor a beam, it does not need to pass thrgouh a shield becuase it is the shield.

Magneto has no defense Against the force because he is a part of it. Unless Magneto is a jedi, there is absolutely nothing he can do. "

That about says it all. I don't understand all this talk about telekenesis and other stuff. I dont understand all this lightsabre talk. We are talking about Jedi's and the force. Magneto has no defense against the force. The force is in him and around him....the force is actually apart of that which builds him and makes him what he is. Jedi's have dominion over the force, Magneto has dominion over Electromagenetism, but electromagnetism is dominated by the force, because the force lives inside EM. face it, Magneto is dead.

Ladies and Gentleman, Magneto has been pwned.

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/...amspsionics.jpg

Powers being buffed my tech.

Your respect thread is pure defense, there is no way he can keep a shield on multiple attackers and still go offensive.

Also, as far as magneto controling whats inside of his shield... Sure if it is under the influence of EM. The force is above EM, the Force is inside of his shield.... But magneto cannot control the force because only Jedi can. Therefore The Jedi can use the Force even when Magneto puts up his best shield, and still thrash him about...and quite naturally take him apart.

Originally posted by batdude123
Ah, I'm actually QUITE glad you brought that up Kahn. 😉

1. His shields have always been telepathically resistent. And, Jedis have been shown to be extremely WEAK in terms of telepathy. Simply anybody who doesn't have a "weak mind" can easily resist their telepathic "attacks" if you can even call them that.

Here we have STRONG telepaths having their psychic powers jammed on them thanks to Erik Magnus Lensherr!!

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/5716/magelectromagneticjamspsionics.jpg

He could also reflect their telepathic crap attacks right back at them:

http://img398.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magreflectspsychicpowerandreve.jpg

2. Also, the attack that Galactus gave Magneto that Magneto's shield deflected was a MENTAL attack by Big G. If you don't believe me, check "Secret Wars." It seems the Jedis are ROYALLY f*cked.

3. The Pheonix's tk attacks proved to be futile, and then he just "bottle effected" her ass:

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

Btw, this is ALL while Magneto is absorbing the light from their lightsabres thus making himself even STRONGER mind you. They're now fighting a God-like Magneto. 😐

Anyway, if you still don't believe that Magneto can control whatever enters his shield:

Not even TELEPORTERS could port through his shield because Magneto made it that way.

http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/5045/magbigforcefield4wy.jpg (this is the shield that stopped the porter from getting in)

or he could simply change the polarity of his shield to "negative" and reflect whatever they have thrown at him, have it return right back at them!

Bottom line; Magneto can control anything that enters his shield. They aren't getting through because they can't control it from the inside and they can't break it from the outside, AND Magneto is getting STRONGER from the light radiation emitting from their light sabres.

Magneto wins. 😄

1 & 2. I'll leave this issue to people who are a little more familiar with Jedi but I believe that in the canon novels Jedi are depicted as being much more powerful than in the movies (I've even heard of Luke supposedly being able to manipulate black holes). So I don't know if calling them "weak" is exactly accurate. Also didn't Magneto have help resisting Galactus' attack?

3. Sorry but that isn't quite enough, imo. For starters the "bottle effect" was on a weakened Jean and doing it actually left him open to attack by Wolverine. This is a rather large problem when he is facing thousands of other opponents.

Also it never says in the "anti-teleporter" scan that the force field is actually being generated by Magneto. More to the point, teleportation and telekinesis are not the same thing and are not interchangeable. Simply because some aspect of Magneto's shield was (perhaps) able to disrupt the teleporting of one mutant, this doesn't mean that he has absolute control over the interior of his shield or that the shield would block telekinesis.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here but there does seem to be a little bit of conjecture and assumption when it comes to what Magneto's feats actually prove he can do, imo.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Lol ok

You have some interesting points,

Tell me something I don’t know. 😈

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
but i dont think you are comprehending the true scope of the Jedi's dictation over everything. And thats understandable, alot of people arent truely aware of what jedi's are capable of because it is so confusing, and so vast, and the majority of knowledge people have comes from the movies. I will try to shed some light on why this is truely an impossible task for Magneto.

Yes, I actually read some Star Wars stuff. I truly understand what they are capable of. I understand that the force is the essence of everything blah blah blah. However if you want to go by average showings, they usually get overwhelmed by troopers with blasters. How well do you think they’re going to do against Magneto? The fact that you need THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of Jedi to compete with him shows you the true nature of his power.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
First off, once again the force runs thrgouh everything. It is infact, "the essense" of the universe. Lets not spiral off into other things. This isint mags vs Phoenix, mags vs silver surfer, this is Mags versus all jedi. This is not the same fight as it is versus Silver surfer blasting away at Magneto. This is an entirely different situation.

I understand about the force. But you’re making them seam like omni-potent like beings, and they simply aren’t. Magneto has been dubbed before (not by me; I’m not a fanboy) the most powerful man in the world. DON’T YELL AT ME! 😠 I wouldn’t say that, but it’s been said before.

And I think this is VERY comparable to the Pheonix vs. Magneto fight. You see, the Pheonix controls the very essence of an entire universe herself. So yes, it is very similar in a fashion. Actually, she’s like the force itself personified into one being. So that right there puts him above the Jedi!!! 😱 We all saw what happened to her stink ass… 😗

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

And her “force” blasts (if you will; stay with me) didn’t do anything either:

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg

Even his shields deflected an attack by freakin GALACTUS. You know, one of the three primal beings of the universe. 😐

Oh, and not to mention he’d be gaining skyfather level powers with the amount of visible radiation he’d be sucking away from their lightsabres. So that makes this fight even worse.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
As i was saying, the force runs throguh everything, is in everything, dictates everything. Everything as in your mood, the wether, your senses, electrons, heat, gravity, the em spectrum, the light coming off of thier light sabers -- everything.

Yes, that’s what the force is, but it’s not like the Jedi’s have complete control over it. They can NOT control everything in the universe. Even together, that’s just silly. They would however be more powerful than Magneto together. But, Magneto has some things up his sleeve that they aren’t expecting. Kind of like powering up on their lightsabers, or reflecting the light back at them; BLINDING their asses.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Amnogst several noble jedi traits is something called force meld, which can be used to link the minds of several jedi, generateing incredible ammounts of strength withinn the force. With thousands of jedi working together for a common cause, they can unquestionably reverse any sort of ill-wether, gravataic or otherwise adverse effect generated by magneto. Why? Because there are [b]so many of them. Jedis can, and have had influence on the wether (as single jedi's). Coming together, it is not hard to understand how they could dictate entire wether patterns. [/B]

Yes, this has been shown before, but I find that your paragraphs are grosely misleading as to how a Jedi uses their powers. They aren’t “omni-potent” beings like you’re making them out to be. And it’s funny you mention “weather” patterns. It just so happens that Magneto has even better control over lightning than Storm does, even though that’s her main power:

http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magbettercontroloflightingthen.jpg

And, EVERYTHING is tied to the Magnetosphere, as said by Magneto himself while he taps into it:

http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magforceofnature6tl.jpg

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Now do you understand the living force withinn you "midichlorians" run through your entire body? Their is [b]No force in magnetos powerset that can stop this from being manipulated. Nothing. nothing short of an author picking up his pencil and re-writeing magnetos powerset. this fact alone puts magneto at a huge disadvantage. [/B]

Yes, but the thing is Galactus’ power was deflected by the shield, and Pheonix couldn’t penetrate either. Everything in his shield is controlled by HIM.

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Now to put it in perspective, believe one of the New Jedi order books, about 5 Jedi melted together (force meld) flung a fleet of attacking star destroyers -- with the force, into deep space. A fleet of star destroyers. So deep into space it would have taken them months to fly back.

And this was just five jedi.

And magneto is supposed to defeat thousands of jedi?

I will admit, saying Magneto wins was extremely overzealous of me. I don’t know, I was feeling cocky. However, I said before that the Jedi would probably win before, but it wouldn’t be easy for them. Especially considering he’s sucking the light out of their sabers to power himself up. 😄

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Granted, magneto is the master of the EM Spectrum -- [b]The em spectrum is merely a part of the Force. [/B]

Yes he is. 🙂

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Mags messes with the magnetoshpere -- when his body is being pulled apart? Ide like to see that. And i wouldent put it past the jedi to reverse any ill affects magneto puts on the earth -- assuming he even gets that chance.

Ah yes, actually it’s funny you mentioned that. I forgot about the fact that Magneto could send a majority of them to different dimensions via a worm hole. 😈 He could create many and have them sucked into other realms. I’m sure at one point or another, the more powerful Jedi could close it. But, the majority of them would be gone. So, I think this would be a victory in a sense because he had to take on so many of them, and took so many down with him as he died. So, call it Custer’s last stand if you will. But, Magneto wouldn’t go down without a fight. And their lines would be decimated, but all in all the Jedi win this. 😉

Originally posted by TheKahn
1 & 2. I'll leave this issue to people who are a little more familiar with Jedi but I believe that in the canon novels Jedi are depicted as being [b]much more powerful than in the movies (I've even heard of Luke supposedly being able to manipulate black holes). So I don't know if calling them "weak" is exactly accurate. Also didn't Magneto have help resisting Galactus' attack? [/B]

No, it was his shield that deflected the mental attack by Galactus. 😐

Originally posted by TheKahn
3. Sorry but that isn't quite enough, imo. For starters the "bottle effect" was on a weakened Jean and doing it actually left him open to attack by Wolverine. This is a rather large problem when he is facing thousands of other opponents.

He didn't have his shield up.

And it always makes me laugh:

"Blast it! I missed him; I only caught his flammin' cape!" 😆 😱

Does Magneto have a gay cape or something? 😆

Originally posted by TheKahn
Also it never says in the "anti-teleporter" scan that the force field is actually being generated by Magneto. More to the point, teleportation and telekinesis are not the same thing and are not interchangeable. Simply because some aspect of Magneto's shield was (perhaps) able to disrupt the teleporting of one mutant, this doesn't mean that he has absolute control over the interior of his shield or that the shield would block telekinesis.

There's a scan somewhere that I can't find where he states that once he's in his shield, he's in complete control of what happens inside.

Originally posted by TheKahn
I'm just playing devil's advocate here but there does seem to be a little bit of conjecture and assumption when it comes to what Magneto's feats actually prove he can do, imo.

Oh shut it. 😐

At least you now realize his power level, yes? 😉

That's to the people who don't give him respect as being a top tier player! 😠

Originally posted by batdude123
Tell me something I don’t know. 😈

Yes, I actually read some Star Wars stuff. I truly understand what they are capable of. I understand that the force is the essence of everything blah blah blah. However if you want to go by average showings, they usually get overwhelmed by troopers with blasters. How well do you think they’re going to do against Magneto? The fact that you need THOUSANDS upon THOUSANDS of Jedi to compete with him shows you the true nature of his power.

I understand about the force. But you’re making them seam like omni-potent like beings, and they simply aren’t. Magneto has been dubbed before (not by me; I’m not a fanboy) the most powerful man in the world. DON’T YELL AT ME! 😠 I wouldn’t say that, but it’s been said before.

And I think this is VERY comparable to the Pheonix vs. Magneto fight. You see, the Pheonix controls the very essence of an entire universe herself. So yes, it is very similar in a fashion. Actually, she’s like the force itself personified into one being. So that right there puts him above the Jedi!!! 😱 We all saw what happened to her stink ass… 😗

http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/2629/magdrawslifeenergy8et.jpg

And her “force” blasts (if you will; stay with me) didn’t do anything either:

http://img371.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magtakesphoenixblast7nn.jpg

Even his shields deflected an attack by freakin GALACTUS. You know, one of the three primal beings of the universe. 😐

Oh, and not to mention he’d be gaining skyfather level powers with the amount of visible radiation he’d be sucking away from their lightsabres. So that makes this fight even worse.

Yes, that’s what the force is, but it’s not like the Jedi’s have complete control over it. They can NOT control everything in the universe. Even together, that’s just silly. They would however be more powerful than Magneto together. But, Magneto has some things up his sleeve that they aren’t expecting. Kind of like powering up on their lightsabers, or reflecting the light back at them; BLINDING their asses.

Yes, this has been shown before, but I find that your paragraphs are grosely misleading as to how a Jedi uses their powers. They aren’t “omni-potent” beings like you’re making them out to be. And it’s funny you mention “weather” patterns. It just so happens that Magneto has even better control over lightning than Storm does, even though that’s her main power:

http://img198.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magbettercontroloflightingthen.jpg

And, EVERYTHING is tied to the Magnetosphere, as said by Magneto himself while he taps into it:

http://img273.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magforceofnature6tl.jpg

Yes, but the thing is Galactus’ power was deflected by the shield, and Pheonix couldn’t penetrate either. Everything in his shield is controlled by HIM.

I will admit, saying Magneto wins was extremely overzealous of me. I don’t know, I was feeling cocky. However, I said before that the Jedi would probably win before, but it wouldn’t be easy for them. Especially considering he’s sucking the light out of their sabers to power himself up. 😄

Yes he is. 🙂

Ah yes, actually it’s funny you mentioned that. I forgot about the fact that Magneto could send a majority of them to different dimensions via a worm hole. 😈 He could create many and have them sucked into other realms. I’m sure at one point or another, the more powerful Jedi could close it. But, the majority of them would be gone. So, I think this would be a victory in a sense because he had to take on so many of them, and took so many down with him as he died. So, call it Custer’s last stand if you will. But, Magneto wouldn’t go down without a fight. And their lines would be decimated, but all in all the Jedi win this. 😉

Then that is fair, i understand magneto is a man of sheer might, but in such numbers like i said, its not going to happen. And as long as i understand you acknoweldge that then good. and there were a few things about magneto i didnt know, thankyou for enlightneing me

Originally posted by ExtraMision5555
Then that is fair, i understand magneto is a man of sheer might, but in such numbers like i said, its not going to happen. And as long as i understand you acknoweldge that then good. and there were a few things about magneto i didnt know, thankyou for enlightneing me

👆

Magneto could probably take out a small contingent.. 30-100 jedis...

but other than that... he'd have problems... hes OLD... poor guy have a heart attack.

Originally posted by rotiart
Magneto could probably take out a small contingent.. 30-100 jedis...

but other than that... he'd have problems... hes OLD... poor guy have a heart attack.

🤨

The guy's in great physical condition. 😐

The natural energy flowing through his body allow him to:

Break from Hercules’s bear hug and send him flying:
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/5774/sgrip3pj.jpg

Take a powerful punch from Colossus to the head while weakened, without shields and not suffer any injuries:
http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/492/magcolagain3pg.jpg

Go toe to toe with Colossus while weakened:
http://img448.imageshack.us/img448/3473/maggoesh2hwithcolossus9xs.jpg

Knock out Rogue with one gesture:
http://img448.imageshack.us/my.php?image=magphysicallybeatsrogue4vt.jpg

Go physically against some X-Men:
http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/2320/magsgetsphysical7sp.jpg

He may be old, but he's spry!!! 👆 lol

You need to realize that this isn't like a "Juggernaut vs. 1 billion normal people" match, where, despite odds, Juggernaut just can't be hurt. Magneto has a lot of tough people to deal with. Sure some upper class Jedi aren't great when compared with Magneto, but, someone like Kyle Katarn will make Magneto lift his hand to block a push, and then throw him like a ragdoll. Each Jedi requires effort. There may be a million of them. Now with a million low class telepaths, it will be difficult. Now sprinkle in the likes of a few pretty good ones, and, a few that would be pretty good by themselves against Mags (LOTF Luke comes to mind), and, there is no way he would be able to get out of this.

Id say mags could take a decent number out. All of them though,, just to many. Victory in numbers here...Just my opinion.

Originally posted by jollyjim311
You need to realize that this isn't like a "Juggernaut vs. 1 billion normal people" match, where, despite odds, Juggernaut just can't be hurt. Magneto has a lot of tough people to deal with. Sure some upper class Jedi aren't great when compared with Magneto, but, someone like Kyle Katarn will make Magneto lift his hand to block a push, and then throw him like a ragdoll. Each Jedi requires effort. There may be a million of them. Now with a million low class telepaths, it will be difficult. Now sprinkle in the likes of a few pretty good ones, and, a few that would be pretty good by themselves against Mags (LOTF Luke comes to mind), and, there is no way he would be able to get out of this.

Even before I started posting, I KNEW Magneto was going to lose. You can go back a few pages and see for yourself. I just wanted to spice up the thread a bit. 😈

Originally posted by batdude123
I will admit, saying Magneto wins was extremely overzealous of me. I don’t know, I was feeling cocky. However, I said before that the Jedi would probably win before, but it wouldn’t be easy for them. Especially considering he’s sucking the light out of their sabers to power himself up. 😄

He sucked the electromagnetic energy from Joseph.. and Polaris before...

Storm did nothing more than rejuvenate mags.. with her bolts...

If those blades are comprised of electromagnetic energy in some form.... mags could probably do it.

Originally posted by rotiart
He sucked the electromagnetic energy from Joseph.. and Polaris before...

Storm did nothing more than rejuvenate mags.. with her bolts...

If those blades are comprised of electromagnetic energy in some form.... mags could probably do it.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
😬 I don't recall ever seeing him do anything akin to that.

He absorbs electromagnetic energy.

Originally posted by batdude123
He absorbs electromagnetic energy.

I doubt he can prevent TK from acting within his forcefield.

LOL you seriously said he could take on 1000 jeti.

more biased than I thought.

and LOL He cannot abosrb "the light from the lightsabers"