The J assault on Marvel Earth

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Fine then in 616 Scarlet Witch+Magneto+Xavier send Superman back to Krypton where it never exploded and he's living happily with his biological mother and father powerless under their red sun. Happy?
Really a GL can create a machine that stops time, or a machine that nullifies powers? Never seen that before but do enlighten me.
Iceman still kills Superman.
The telepaths and precogs on Marvel Earth would sense the assault before it reached.

In one GL issue, GL stopped a Superman like being by using his ring to create a machine that turns physical effort into sound, and as the guy struggled to move, the effot was converted into hot DJ beats. lol.

How would iceman kill Superman? Superman could super-breath him to the sun. He's nothing.

It was also stated that people who wouldnt normally team up, still wont team up. So your arguement is lost there.

Superman can not distinguish Iceman from any other atmospheric water, he exists as an incorporeal consciousness that inhabits water molecules. He can "teleport" himself between different bodies of water (including ice and vapour), including any within Superman or his colleagues. He can lower the temperature of matter, organic and inorganic, to absolute zero by removing all free energy from the atoms, thus halting atomic movement.

Magneto has worked with his daughter before, Magneto and Xavier have worked together before, Xavier and Scarlet Witch have even worked together.

BTW you do realise Xavier isn't the only telepath on Marvel Earth don't you? And although he's definitely the most skilled, in terms of raw power he's not even top of the heap anymore.

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman can not distinguish Iceman from any other atmospheric water, he exists as an incorporeal consciousness that inhabits water molecules. He can "teleport" himself between different bodies of water (including ice and vapour), including any within Superman or his colleagues. He can lower the temperature of matter, organic and inorganic, to absolute zero by removing all free energy from the atoms, thus halting atomic movement.

The GL ring can distinguish between the indistinguishable? Give me a precedent where one has distinguished between water vapour with incorporeal consciousness and water vapour without consciousness. There is water in the ring wielder's blood into which Iceman can "teleport" his consciousness, and Iceman does not need to be in physical contact with matter to lower it's temperature to absolute zero.

It protects it's wielder from unknown attacks and acts accordingly. This has proven COUNTLESS times, and has even been pointed out on this forum. Needless to say the ring could could sustain him anyway. I mean he does fly in the cores of planets and through the void of space, through black holes, etc. Places where life and water dont even exist ... and LIVED!! Getting cold isn't much of a problem.

Also, Superman does that as well^^
lol.

Superman's cells are also not water-based, but are mini exploding suns, according to Atom.

plus supes bio aura would protect him. if iceman went into his body, hed sense something making him cold from teh inside out and burrow to the centre of the planet, come back super hot, and rape even more ppl.

thunderbolt would fry all the telepaths

2 flashes and 2 gls with hyper treadmills as i said are almost unstoppable

scarlet witch, franklin, and doc strange i assure u will be the first to be taken out by the thunderbolt. the thunderbolt by the way can also control probability

even if the DC heroes go down, which is a possibility, they are taking down a good set of teh heroes/villians with them.

major disaster alone could send an earthquake and sink New York before they could react. and remember im talking marvel earth, not marvel universe. if i was talking MU, id have teh spectre there

Originally posted by golem370
You also have people like Hulk Thor Juggernaut Hercules Apocalypse The Eternal X-MAN Franklin Richards Magento Venom and Carnage Proteus Wendigo Mr Sinister Doctor Doom would most likely survive The Deviants Abmonation Ghost Rider Doctor Strange ZZZax Atlas Morlun HIGH EVOLUTIONARY hey I could take out the Eternials and they could form UNI-MIND. They could bring down JLA and JSA together.

There are also alot of package deals that The Marvel earth has that comes with that Marvel firepower.

Mole man and his army of creatures underground

Namor and his underwater world with his army

The Inhumans and their army

Is Ironman/Tony Stark The Sec. of Defense? US Military Forces

S.H.I.E.L.D. and their forces

How about 1000's of Doom bots

Just a few more reason why the DC invasion doesn't come even close to being successful.

The heros and the villians from earth would be fighting together.

It is for the Marvel earth isn't it?

Originally posted by xmarksthespot
Superman can not distinguish Iceman from any other atmospheric water, he exists as an incorporeal consciousness that inhabits water molecules. He can "teleport" himself between different bodies of water (including ice and vapour), including any within Superman or his colleagues. He can lower the temperature of matter, organic and inorganic, to absolute zero by removing all free energy from the atoms, thus halting atomic movement.

Magneto has worked with his daughter before, Magneto and Xavier have worked together before, Xavier and Scarlet Witch have even worked together.

BTW you do realise Xavier isn't the only telepath on Marvel Earth don't you? And although he's definitely the most skilled, in terms of raw power he's not even top of the heap anymore.

Superman can easily see iceman. In a recent issue, he was able to see superboys "soul" easily in detail.
Superman generates this temp from his body easily. Ice breath. Iceman isnt affecting him anymore than trying this same attack on Thanos, Gladiator, Thor, or anyone else far out of his league.

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
between the thunderbolt, doc fate, hourman, and zatanna, they can by pass genis vell and doc stranges early warning.

if king thor still exists, the thunderbolt will take care of him.

scarlet witch, franklin, and doc strange i assure u will be the first to be taken out by the thunderbolt. the thunderbolt by the way can also control probability

Plus, are we forgetting Molecule Man?
He is on earth, and he could win this more likely by himself.

i assure u that flash could take out molecule man, or the atom

does anyone even know where molecule man is?
molecule man is over rated, the FF beat him by themselves. wolverine almost killed him in the secret wars.

shazam could walk past him as billy batson (a harmless child) say SHAZAM and obliterate him b4 he could react. (the lightning bolt ould disintegrate him before he could say, "what the hell is that"

now with doc strange, he would not know they are coming for the rest. in every crisis, he does not go and grab scarlet witch and franklin.

in the infinity gauntlet, if he didnt set his spell of protection his house would ahve been disintegrated when thanos's force wave tore earth from its orbit.

all it would take is major disaster to sink NYC, the for the flashes to take down scarlet witch and franklin and the doc if they survived the onslaught. or jonn could take franklins mind over have him battle scarlet witch and then flash could take down the winner

Originally posted by Solidus Snake
i assure u that flash could take out molecule man, or the atom

does anyone even know where molecule man is?
molecule man is over rated, the FF beat him by themselves. wolverine almost killed him in the secret wars.

shazam could walk past him as billy batson (a harmless child) say SHAZAM and obliterate him b4 he could react. (the lightning bolt ould disintegrate him before he could say, "what the hell is that"

now with doc strange, he would not know they are coming for the rest. in every crisis, he does not go and grab scarlet witch and franklin.

in the infinity gauntlet, if he didnt set his spell of protection his house would ahve been disintegrated when thanos's force wave tore earth from its orbit.

all it would take is major disaster to sink NYC, the for the flashes to take down scarlet witch and franklin and the doc if they survived the onslaught. or jonn could take franklins mind over have him battle scarlet witch and then flash could take down the winner

Lets not forget in Gauntlet that Doom himself easily took care of Strange.
Strange was helpless against him.

I'm thinking the J-team isn't as powerful as a blast from the I.G, but that's just me.

It wasn't just an earthquake, it was an reality/time/space splitting attack by Thanos w/I.G directed at Earth. It also tore up asgard and blew the rainbow bridge up.

I got scans if you want.

Well, just because he doesn't do it in every crisis doesn't mean he won't do it in this one. I mean, once he sees the guys he's going to need to face, why wouldn't he grab the most powerful?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
Lets not forget in Gauntlet that Doom himself easily took care of Strange.
Strange was helpless against him.

Helpless? No.
Told not to fight by Warlock so that they could save the universe? Yes.

Originally posted by long pig
Also while Strange was nearly k.o'd by the backlash from Warlock ripping his astral/soul out of his body forcibly out of no where.

Helpless? No.
Told not to fight by Warlock so that they could save the universe? Yes.

So Warlock told him to let Doom bully him and make him look like a fool? "Don't fight" doesnt mean.... "Lose a conflict"

Originally posted by long pig
I'm thinking the J-team isn't as powerful as a blast from the I.G, but that's just me.

It wasn't just an earthquake, it was an reality/time/space splitting attack by Thanos w/I.G directed at Earth. It also tore up asgard and blew the rainbow bridge up.

I got scans if you want.

Well, just because he doesn't do it in every crisis doesn't mean he won't do it in this one. I mean, once he sees the guys he's going to need to face, why wouldn't he grab the most powerful?

for one, its has no defense to being destroyed unless strange puts up a spell. two, the blast wasnt directed at earth, it was a unidirectional wave
three, it doesnt matter if it was the infinity gauntlet or a guy with a rocket launcher, if strange did not put up his defences the house would have been timber. if u put up the scans, make sure u put up that page where it says that too.

by the time strange sees the guys hes going up against, franklyn and scarlet witch would be gone. and he ould have been taken out by some one. remember how doom took him out in the gauntlet?

Originally posted by Avalonofthewind
So Warlock told him to let Doom bully him and make him look like a fool? "Don't fight" doesnt mean.... "Lose a conflict"

He didn't lose a conflict, Doom had his super robots grabbed his body while his astral form was out of his body making him catatonic, then Doom asked what was going on, Warlock told him.

No one faught except Doom and Surfer, and Doom blasted him once while he was unconcious as well.

for one, its has no defense to being destroyed unless strange puts up a spell. two, the blast wasnt directed at earth, it was a unidirectional wave
three, it doesnt matter if it was the infinity gauntlet or a guy with a rocket launcher

That blast was FROM the I.G, it blew up a star, it broke Galactus' ship, it broke the rainbow bridge.....no one ever has had that much power.

I.G>>>>>Strange's mansion defenses.
J-team<<Defenses.

Rocket launcher my ass.

It was odd that it had a billion lightyears to travel yet pin pointed Earth, it was meant for Earth.

Originally posted by long pig
He didn't lose a conflict, Doom had his super robots grabbed his body while his astral form was out of his body making him catatonic, then Doom asked what was going on, Warlock told him.

No one faught except Doom and Surfer, and Doom blasted him once while he was unconcious as well.

You have no clue what you're saying.

That blast was FROM the I.G, it blew up a star, it broke Galactus' ship, it broke the rainbow bridge.....no one ever has had that much power.

I.G>>>>>Strange's mansion defenses.
J-team<<Defenses.

Rocket launcher my ass.

It was odd that it had a billion lightyears to travel yet pin pointed Earth, it was meant for Earth.

it didnt pick out earth, it hit everything in the universe.

and surfer wasnt unconscious when doom attacked him, surfer was awake and doom blasted him down. i dont rememebr if strange was in astraal form when doom atatcked, so i will check when i got home.

the force wave was at 2% when it reached earth. there was nothing magical or special about it. it was a wave of force. nothing more or less. that it came from the gauntlet was irrelevant. any force blast of sufficient strength would have done teh same thing. eg a celestial blast while it was standing on the moon or something

I'll check too to make sure I'm saying the exact right thing, it's all going by memory right now.