Originally posted by Kurk
So Dooku is going to fight his master without the intent to over-throw him and expect everything to go well later?
Resisting torture is hardly the same as attacking and overthrowing. And it's something everyone naturally does when they're being tortured.
Originally posted by Rockydonovang
Dooku wasn't defending himself, hence the choke isn't valid.
Proof? It's valid because it happened.
Originally posted by Darth ThorYeah and so there is a difference between naturally clawing at your neck due to biological instinct and summoning the force to fight off a telekinetic attack because at the end of the day that's all that a force choke is.
Resisting torture is hardly the same as attacking and overthrowing. And it's something everyone naturally does when they're being tortured.Proof? It's valid because it happened.
Is there proof that Dooku was prepared for an unexpected telekinetic attack, by his own master nonetheless, from light-years away in the form of a hologram?
regardless of whether or not Dooku was taken by surprise this is more of a showing of Sidious raw power; being able to to that to a very powerful force user from a galaxy away is no shitty feat.
Also I notice that you all failed to address his shitty showings against the Sith wanna bees; one of which Sidious absolutely steamrolled in a rather casual manner
Originally posted by relentless1
[B]regardless of whether or not Dooku was taken by surprise this is more of a showing of Sidious raw power; being able to to that to a very powerful force user from a galaxy away is no shitty feat.
Originally posted by relentless1
Also I notice that you all failed to address his shitty showings against the Sith wanna bees; one of which Sidious absolutely steamrolled in a rather casual manner
Originally posted by relentless1Sh1tty showings? Savage knocked him and Ventress around a few times, but in my mind, that was the equivalent of Zonakin—a preview of Savage's full potential had he achieved it.
regardless of whether or not Dooku was taken by surprise this is more of a showing of Sidious raw power; being able to to that to a very powerful force user from a galaxy away is no shitty feat.Also I notice that you all failed to address his shitty showings against the Sith wanna bees; one of which Sidious absolutely steamrolled in a rather casual manner
Otherwise Dooku was being rather casual with both of them; dodging their strikes and casually blasting back Savage. The fact-file says that Dooku barely won or whatever, but that accounts for Savage's rage, yes?
After that he dueled Ventress like the gentleman he is, but eventually became unamused and disarmed and ragdolled her via force.
Originally posted by Darth Thor
You're right wouldn't make a difference. He'd resist either way. Just like Savage tried to resist Dooku's lightning attacks, but simply couldn't.
No he wouldn't. Sidious expressing his dominance over Dooku isn't something Dooku's going to resist when he knows that will only incur further punishment.
There's no indication there that Sidious was going to stop, especially considering him saying, "this is not the first time you've been clumsy... You know the price of failure."
When considered, Dooku would certainly attempt to break free if he's under the impression death is imminent, which he likely was.
So you're saying that Dooku as the leader of the Confederacy and a valid Sith apprentice ( something he thought he was per RotS ) wouldn't view his position as valuable to Sidious and therefore not dispensable simply for making a mistake? :/
Let's see what the community thinks.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=646031
... what?
Sidious tells Dooku that this wasn't his first mistake - he has been clumsy multiple times in the past. Off the top of my head, we have the Order 66 fiasco, the Savage Opress fiasco, and him training Opress and Asajj Ventress as secret apprentices to overthrow Sidious.
Then Sidious tells Dooku that he "knows the price of failure," blatantly hinting that he's about to execute Dooku or worse (given we know Sidious is "far less forgiving" than someone like Vader who executed his subordinates for one mistake).
Dooku is important to Sidious, but he's not indispensable. There's a reason why Dooku hurried his ass and fixed the Sifo-Dyas issue immediately after Sidious spared him - he knew he would have been ****ed if he didn't.
Ventress wasn't a "secret" apprentice, Sidious knew about her. And it's your assumption that Savage was being trained as an apprentice rather then simply as a tool or even that Sidious was unaware of him. :/ Not sure what Order 66 fiasco you're referring to.
Except one of the most powerful Force user's of all time who thinks he's a valid apprentice within the Banite line, has had years of training invested into him by Sidious, and who runs ones of the most powerful factions in the Galaxy for him; who's death would cause massive problems for Sidious's ability to continue to effectively manage both sides of the war is going to consider his life to be of more value then the importance of a random fodder soldier.
Sure he thought he would've been f*cked. That doesn't mean he thought he'd be executed. He just didn't want another "admonishment" from Sidious.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Not to mention we have Dooku visibly scraping his hands over his throat trying to stop it, lmfao.
That's an automatic reaction to kinetic force being applied to a vulnerable area of the body. Actively resisting a Force attack requires active concentration which would require Dooku to be willing to resist Sidious and risk a worse punishment.