Originally posted by Total WarriorWhy do you think he'd get "one shotted" by sheev in sabers? He's fast enough for Grievous, Dooku, and Vader and sure enough has the Soresu defenses wank. He's not going to find an opening in Sidious's form to go after, but I can't see him not exchanging at least 7-10 blows with Sheev before being overwhelmed.
Team 1 wins. Sidious isn't blitzing anyone (though I'm likely one of the few here who thinks Kenobi would get oneshotted by Sid in sabers), only way Sid could win is if he really abuses force, but otherwise team wins
This is ROTS Sidious, not DE Sidious. He ain't one-shotting.
Anyway, Sidious. Obi-Wan's curbstomp fodder as evidenced when Dooku, Obi-Wan's better, was stomped across the galaxy, and Mace, Obi-Wan's better as well, could barely even react to three blows from Sidious. Anakin also could barely even see Sidious.
Dooku+Anakin together are not curbstomp fodder, but even their combined power won't stop Obi from being curbstomp fodder, and Sidious vs Dooku and Anakin is a fight which Sidious wins with moderate difficulty- assuming Anakin doesn't get enraged.
Now, if Anakin enters his Zone mode, this is going to be a brutal fight- but even then, Anakin can't carry Dooku's heavy slack. Sidious will win, but with several bruises and burns.
I would be reluctant to use Sheev's feat of choking out Dooku as indication that he can stomp. We still don't know for sure how "force barriers" work in canon or if they exist at all. Ventress managed to choke out Skywalker and Kenobi simultaneously as Savage did to Dooku and Ventress. A more recent example is Vader in his comic disarming and choking Jedi master Infala following their lengthy duel after he became distracted by the civilians.
It would seem that a less-power force user is able to circumvent the barrier of a more powerful one if caught off-guard, which seems to apply to the aforementioned examples.
If anyone has ever read the Eragon series you might understand the similarities between mind barriers in that universe to the force barriers in SW.
Originally posted by Kurk
I would be reluctant to use Sheev's feat of choking out Dooku as indication that he can stomp. We still don't know for sure how "force barriers" work in canon or if they exist at all. Ventress managed to choke out Skywalker and Kenobi simultaneously as Savage did to Dooku and Ventress. A more recent example is Vader in his comic disarming and choking Jedi master Infala following their lengthy duel after he became distracted by the civilians.It would seem that a less-power force user is able to circumvent the barrier of a more powerful one if caught off-guard, which seems to apply to the aforementioned examples.
If anyone has ever read the Eragon series you might understand the similarities between mind barriers in that universe to the force barriers in SW.
He can't stomp Dooku when Ani's around, but wrecking Obi's superior so hard is quite enough to prove Obi doesn't last a second.
And no, Dooku really wasn't off guard. IIRC, Maul said it was a rookie mistake to have your guard down. Dooku knew Sidious was mad, and could make a move against him.
Ventress was extremely rage-amped when she choked the Jedi duo, as was Opress when he choked his masters. Sidious wasn't rage-amped to a gigantic degree when he dominated Dooku. It's also consistent with his other feats (dominating Maul+Savage who have shown superior Force power to Dooku).
Now, DE Sidious is considerably more powerful than ROTJ Sidious who in turn is vastly above the Dooku stomper ROTS Sidious. No reason for DE Sidious not to stomp Dooku, even with Kenobi+Skywalker.
ROTS Sidious can't come close to stomping, though.
Originally posted by thesithmasterDon't you think it would quite risky for Dooku to lash back at his master in that situation? We don't know if could've fought back or was completely helpless, but if it was the former, that would've been a near suicidal mistake. Remember when Sheev told Dooku to kill Ventress and Dooku talked back for half-a-sentence before being cut-off by Sidious's "scary" voice? He then knew to shut-up to prevent himself from getting an ass-kicking.
He can't stomp Dooku when Ani's around, but wrecking Obi's superior so hard is quite enough to prove Obi doesn't last a second.And no, Dooku really wasn't off guard. IIRC, Maul said it was a rookie mistake to have your guard down. Dooku knew Sidious was mad, and could make a move against him.
Ventress was extremely rage-amped when she choked the Jedi duo, as was Opress when he choked his masters. Sidious wasn't rage-amped to a gigantic degree when he dominated Dooku. It's also consistent with his other feats (dominating Maul+Savage who have shown superior Force power to Dooku).
Now, DE Sidious is considerably more powerful than ROTJ Sidious who in turn is vastly above the Dooku stomper ROTS Sidious. No reason for DE Sidious not to stomp Dooku, even with Kenobi+Skywalker.
ROTS Sidious can't come close to stomping, though.
I'm not questioning Palpatine's force superiority over the trio; just how feasible it would be to ragdoll them in a combat situation where everyone is swinging a saber and has their "guard up".
Originally posted by Kurk
Don't you think it would quite risky for Dooku to lash back at his master in that situation? We don't know if could've fought back or was completely helpless, but if it was the former, that would've been a near suicidal mistake. Remember when Sheev told Dooku to kill Ventress and Dooku talked back for half-a-sentence before being cut-off by Sidious's "scary" voice? He then knew to shut-up to prevent himself from getting an ass-kicking.
He can't really get into a Saber fight over a hologram though, so his options to fight back would be limited anyway:
Maybe the possibility of being choked is Why he was scared when Sidious made the scary voice command to kill Ventress.