Originally posted by Darth_Janus
Words of wisdom. Revan could be a great character, but to openly wish his death is "Character hating" and if you advocate this, please refrain from defending any other character in future debates, since you will be a total hypocrite. People get pissed when I say Vader and Luke suck, or NJO Luke sucks, or Sidious sucks, but Revan bashing is considered okay and massively acceptable. I'm not saying Revan's fanboys aren't annoying; I am saying is don't be so much a hater if you can't take the criticism of your own character.
Jeeezzz, don't get all serious about it. But really I don't Revan is a strong as we rate him around. One of the greatest force users. He didn't even look like he reached age 50, you don't become stronger in the force just by reading holocrons, at one point you have to understand the force for yourself through meditating and training by yourself one on one with the force. Which is why I think the Moive characters stand a better chance in battle than what they are given credit for. Mace couldn't of created Vaapad had he been fighting people all the time, and Yoda wouldn't be so wise in the force had he not meditated for so long. Revan just isn't old enough to be considered one of the great force users. I'd say he's about on Obi-Wan's level in the force, he may destroy Obi with a lightsaber but he's not going to through him around like Dooku tossed Obi in ROTS. He hasn't learned enough about the force for himself or grown in the force enough to be an all powerful force master. That's just how I see it anyway.
Originally posted by Apex
Jeeezzz, don't get all serious about it. But really I don't Revan is a strong as we rate him around. One of the greatest force users. He didn't even look like he reached age 50, you don't become stronger in the force just by reading holocrons, at one point you have to understand the force for yourself through meditating and training by yourself one on one with the force. Which is why I think the Moive characters stand a better chance in battle than what they are given credit for. Mace couldn't of created Vaapad had he been fighting people all the time, and Yoda wouldn't be so wise in the force had he not meditated for so long. Revan just isn't old enough to be considered one of the great force users. I'd say he's about on Obi-Wan's level in the force, he may destroy Obi with a lightsaber but he's not going to through him around like Dooku tossed Obi in ROTS. He hasn't learned enough about the force for himself or grown in the force enough to be an all powerful force master. That's just how I see it anyway.
Your placing Revan at Obi's Level over how old he is (even when we don't know how old he is?eer
Originally posted by Apex
Jeeezzz, don't get all serious about it. But really I don't Revan is a strong as we rate him around. One of the greatest force users. He didn't even look like he reached age 50, you don't become stronger in the force just by reading holocrons, at one point you have to understand the force for yourself through meditating and training by yourself one on one with the force. Which is why I think the Moive characters stand a better chance in battle than what they are given credit for. Mace couldn't of created Vaapad had he been fighting people all the time, and Yoda wouldn't be so wise in the force had he not meditated for so long. Revan just isn't old enough to be considered one of the great force users. I'd say he's about on Obi-Wan's level in the force, he may destroy Obi with a lightsaber but he's not going to through him around like Dooku tossed Obi in ROTS. He hasn't learned enough about the force for himself or grown in the force enough to be an all powerful force master. That's just how I see it anyway.
Age means nothing.
Yoda had 800+ years of experience in the Force - and Sidious (who is about 60-70) had enough power and knowledge to give him a run for his money, and enough connection in the Dark Side to shield himself from Yoda for over a decade.
It's about Force-connection. NJO Luke has a stronger connection to the Force, as did Anakin, than anyone twice or tripple times their age.
I knew this would happen..
first, how old can Revan really be? Its been speculated before on this forum and it was decided he was under 50 at least, how much older can he be, it's not like the faces on KOTOR were full of wrinkles, and although they're just game faces I'm sure if he was older they would have made him look older. Revan can't be in his 70's.
All I'm saying about Revan is if he's under 50 he'd have to learn almost 10 times as fast as a normal Jedi to have the force potential people on this board say he has. In the Dooku and Mace vs Revan thread people said Revan's great force knowledge would defeat Mace and Dooku, and that's bogus, and so is Revan's force knowledge being greater than people like Dooku.
Originally posted by Apex
I knew this would happen..first, how old can Revan really be? Its been speculated before on this forum and it was decided he was under 50 at least, how much older can he be, it's not like the faces on KOTOR were full of wrinkles, and although they're just game faces I'm sure if he was older they would have made him look older. Revan can't be in his 70's.
All I'm saying about Revan is if he's under 50 he'd have to learn almost 10 times as fast as a normal Jedi to have the force potential people on this board say he has. In the Dooku and Mace vs Revan thread people said Revan's great force knowledge would defeat Mace and Dooku, and that's bogus, and so is Revan's force knowledge being greater than people like Dooku.
Dude...age has absolutly nothing to do with strength in the Force...its one's connection to the Force and we can be sure that Revan had a very strong connection. Also we know from Zhar that Revan was a very fast learner who drank up everything he was taught.
Originally posted by Sorgo
Just because Revan and Malak and whoever are 4000 years older than Dooku and Vader and whoever...DOES NOT ENABLE THEM AS GODS!
And i want proof that Malak is more powerful than Dooku or Vader or Sidious...
AND I want PROOF that Revan can kick Maul, Dooku Palpatine or Vaders shit up.
Hell, i WANT PROOF that Revan or Malak or any other ancient can kick Yoda, Windu or any other Jedi's ass!
C'MON, FANBOYS!
DO YOUR WORST!
Whoa Sorgo geez I didn't want this thread to get out of hand like this. Revan would whup Maul's ass or Dooku's or Vader's and Palpatine's.
Originally posted by Tangible God
Yeah, but do you actually have PROOF that he can do that?
On no not this again! Ahh well no I suppose I don't have proof but this however is not a vs thread anyway. But it is pretty much assumed by most that Revan could take these people just as we assume that Marka Ragnos would waste Revan.
Originally posted by Rayvann SadowYa got a point, he did more than the others afterall, Revan did.
On no not this again! Ahh well no I suppose I don't have proof but this however is not a vs thread anyway. But it is pretty much assumed by most that Revan could take these people just as we assume that Marka Ragnos would waste Revan.
And I will say this again after a month's break. It IS spelled MARKO with an O at the end. I played KOTOR again, and I read and heard them say it with an O.
BOO YA!
I'm not black.
Originally posted by Rayvann Sadow
Dude...age has absolutly nothing to do with strength in the Force...its one's connection to the Force and we can be sure that Revan had a very strong connection. Also we know from Zhar that Revan was a very fast learner who drank up everything he was taught.
So your telling me Revan could learn way faster than Mace, Dooku, Yoda, Sidious, and Anakin. He learns faster than Anakin, someone made almost completely from the force?
Of course high potential can over ride age as shown by Yoda and Sidious in the movies, but Anakin couldn't out force Obi-Wan and he has a great connection to the force and also wanted to know everything, so what makes you think Revan can out force Dooku if Anakin couldn't. At one point you need time to get a better control over the force like Dooku, Yoda, Sidious, or Mace did. Anakin had all the potential but not enough time to really focus it, and what allows Revan time to control and focus it all if he's hording holocrons, fighting wars, and searching for the Star Forge?
Dooku beat Anakin with skill gained over the years and most people think he was toying with him the second time they fought which goes to show connection to the force isn't that much stronger than someone who has studied it for decades.
Here's an Example:
A new shaolin monk with great potential can't beat a grand master with little potential whose trained for decades.
Originally posted by Apex
So your telling me Revan could learn way faster than Mace, Dooku, Yoda, Sidious, and Anakin. He learns faster than Anakin, someone made almost completely from the force?Of course high potential can over ride age as shown by Yoda and Sidious in the movies, but Anakin couldn't out force Obi-Wan and he has a great connection to the force and also wanted to know everything, so what makes you think Revan can out force Dooku if Anakin couldn't. At one point you need time to get a better control over the force like Dooku, Yoda, Sidious, or Mace did. Anakin had all the potential but not enough time to really focus it, and what allows Revan time to control and focus it all if he's hording holocrons, fighting wars, and searching for the Star Forge?
Dooku beat Anakin with skill gained over the years and most people think he was toying with him the second time they fought which goes to show connection to the force isn't that much stronger than someone who has studied it for decades.
Here's an Example:
A new shaolin monk with great potential can't beat a grand master with little potential whose trained for decades.
Ok look Apex your a nice guy and are very respectful in your posts but dude your so bias towards movie characters that you could be Nefarous's brother. We know from Zhar that Revan learned at a incredibly fast rate and was always hungering for more knowlage and also Revan stuided the Sith holocrons on Korribon and Malachor V and learned their secrets as can see by the rate he corrupted Jedi.
If Revan was not very knowlagable in the Force then how did he become the Dark Lord in the first place hmm? Malak may have been a brute but he was skilled in the Dark Side and he was way below Revan in knowledge.
Revan as we see corrupted thousands of Jedi (proof for this can be found on the KOTOR II loading screen messages where it says that at the begining of the wars there were thousands of Jedi yet by the end there hardly a hundred because many were killed and many more were corrupted by Revan and sided with him.
Originally posted by Rayvann Sadow
Ok look Apex your a nice guy and are very respectful in your posts but dude your so bias towards movie characters that you could be Nefarous's brother. We know from Zhar that Revan learned at a incredibly fast rate and was always hungering for more knowlage and also Revan stuided the Sith holocrons on Korribon and Malachor V and learned their secrets as can see by the rate he corrupted Jedi.If Revan was not very knowlagable in the Force then how did he become the Dark Lord in the first place hmm? Malak may have been a brute but he was skilled in the Dark Side and he was way below Revan in knowledge.
Revan as we see corrupted thousands of Jedi (proof for this can be found on the KOTOR II loading screen messages where it says that at the begining of the wars there were thousands of Jedi yet by the end there hardly a hundred because many were killed and many more were corrupted by Revan and sided with him.
All of that's great, and I'm not saying Revan isn't great or anything although that's what it looks like.
I'm just trying to keep it fair, I know somebody like you probably doesn't do this, but in the vs thread Mace and Dooku vs Revan, and Revan can beat them because he can use the force better than both of them as a team? That's bull. Revan may be great in the force but can't equal Dooku and Mace combined.
That's the reason I'm arguing about this. I didn't like that and this thread seemed like an appropriate place to post that, and I wrote it here instead of there. My bad for not making that clear in the first place. Something I tend to do, the whole point of this was just to show that Revan can't beat two of the best PT Jedi/Sith at one time.
And don't worry about making me mad, it's highly unlikely. If we worry about that which I tend to do, then the threads aren't interesting because people avoid good arguments not wanting to hurt other people's feelings. People have to understand that some people's opinion is different than theirs and respect that, not be so critical and think they're being attacked. If you keep it clean and logical and don't attack me, I don't have a problem with you deabating against me.
If we worry about that which I tend to do, then the threads aren't interesting because people avoid good arguments not wanting to hurt other people's feelings. People have to understand that some people's opinion is different than theirs and respect that, not be so critical and think they're being attacked. If you keep it clean and logical and don't attack me, I don't have a problem with you deabating against me.
*Whistles* Force is strong in this one. That makes sense, but I'm still going to be careful of what I say: I'd rather the treads be uninteresting than start flaming.
As for False Gods. Whatever, I don't think I need to add anything. In my mind, anyone in the Star Wars Universe can be killed. They may live for a long time (yoda), but no one is invincible. I don't think the Force would allow it since it does seem to have a will and a sense of balance. I don't know, I should stop now, I'm babbling.....