Originally posted by Ogami Itto
see the supershadow thread
I think the distinct difference between this thread and the supershadow thread is that here people haven't posted over a thousand times venting their hatred at someone who probably doesn't exist or even care what anyone else thinks. I'm not saying this thread is exactly productive, but the Supershadow thread is the epiphany of unproductive.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I think the distinct difference between this thread and the supershadow thread is that here people haven't posted over a thousand times venting their hatred at someone who probably doesn't exist or even care what anyone else thinks. I'm not saying this thread is exactly productive, but the Supershadow thread is the epiphany of unproductive.
I think you mean epitome 😉.
Originally posted by Sorgo
Just because Revan and Malak and whoever are 4000 years older than Dooku and Vader and whoever...DOES NOT ENABLE THEM AS GODS!
And i want proof that Malak is more powerful than Dooku or Vader or Sidious...
AND I want PROOF that Revan can kick Maul, Dooku Palpatine or Vaders shit up.
Hell, i WANT PROOF that Revan or Malak or any other ancient can kick Yoda, Windu or any other Jedi's ass!
C'MON, FANBOYS!
DO YOUR WORST!
OMG, I agree with the topic but this is ridiculous. You prove to me 100% for sure that Maul can beat ESB Luke, or that ROTS Mace can beat TPM Qui-Gon. YOU CAN'T. 99% of these versus battles require total speculation based off of accomplishments and many other things to try and determine who is more powerful but none of them are true facts. Some have a 99% chance but still aren't facts.
Jeez man, think before you post.
Originally posted by Apex
All of that's great, and I'm not saying Revan isn't great or anything although that's what it looks like.I'm just trying to keep it fair, I know somebody like you probably doesn't do this, but in the vs thread Mace and Dooku vs Revan, and Revan can beat them because he can use the force better than both of them as a team? That's bull. Revan may be great in the force but can't equal Dooku and Mace combined.
That's the reason I'm arguing about this. I didn't like that and this thread seemed like an appropriate place to post that, and I wrote it here instead of there. My bad for not making that clear in the first place. Something I tend to do, the whole point of this was just to show that Revan can't beat two of the best PT Jedi/Sith at one time.
And don't worry about making me mad, it's highly unlikely. If we worry about that which I tend to do, then the threads aren't interesting because people avoid good arguments not wanting to hurt other people's feelings. People have to understand that some people's opinion is different than theirs and respect that, not be so critical and think they're being attacked. If you keep it clean and logical and don't attack me, I don't have a problem with you deabating against me.
I agree that it is doubtful even Revan has the raw Force power to equal Mace and Dooku combined. That seems to be a reasonable estimate given what we know of his powers thus far. But saying Revan can't beat the two best PT Force Users of all time is venturing into a speculation war without your fanny pack... Revan is, aside from the Exile, one of the largest 'unknowns' in regards to actual duelling ability and actual Force control (Although both atre supposed to be high end as opposed to low end) To say he couldn'y possibly defeat Dooku and Mace at once is a bit misleading; he can (as most people can) under favorable circumstances. ANd perhaps he is like Dooku in that he can use a little bit of distance to rain force hell on his opponents, which would work against their numerical advantage.
And the reason I say this is because you are essentially arguing that Revan himself most likely isn't higher in Force power than Dooku and Mace combined, and from what we know i tend to agree. But that's still a damn large margin there, and you have to keep in mind that a little bit of difference goes a long way. Look at Dooku versus Obi-Wan and Anakin. I highly doubt it that Dooku's Force powers were higher than Yoda's (That is as high as I will acede to for the sake of argument) And he schooled Obi-Wan and Anakin many times. Supposively, even Dooku was weaker in Force potential than Skywalker. So it would be pointless to say that person A can't beat B and C because A's Force powers don't equal double of B and C. Dooku is a very clear example of how a very small advantage in divided Force powers can make the battle go in his favor.
Originally posted by jedihuh?
in the words of Rock-pop gods the Beatles, "Let it be" anyone at anypoint can beat anyone under any cercumstances. nothing is definate.edited: Except death of course.
Ah, but can you be so certain? We define death in very limited ways, as we don't fully understand it. If death is lack of brain capacity and function past a certain point, then you could argue that someone kept "alive" with only their brain was never dead.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I agree that it is doubtful even Revan has the raw Force power to equal Mace and Dooku combined. That seems to be a reasonable estimate given what we know of his powers thus far. But saying Revan can't beat the two best PT Force Users of all time is venturing into a speculation war without your fanny pack... Revan is, aside from the Exile, one of the largest 'unknowns' in regards to actual duelling ability and actual Force control (Although both atre supposed to be high end as opposed to low end) To say he couldn'y possibly defeat Dooku and Mace at once is a bit misleading; he can (as most people can) under favorable circumstances. ANd perhaps he is like Dooku in that he can use a little bit of distance to rain force hell on his opponents, which would work against their numerical advantage.And the reason I say this is because you are essentially arguing that Revan himself most likely isn't higher in Force power than Dooku and Mace combined, and from what we know i tend to agree. But that's still a damn large margin there, and you have to keep in mind that a little bit of difference goes a long way. Look at Dooku versus Obi-Wan and Anakin. I highly doubt it that Dooku's Force powers were higher than Yoda's (That is as high as I will acede to for the sake of argument) And he schooled Obi-Wan and Anakin many times. Supposively, even Dooku was weaker in Force potential than Skywalker. So it would be pointless to say that person A can't beat B and C because A's Force powers don't equal double of B and C. Dooku is a very clear example of how a very small advantage in divided Force powers can make the battle go in his favor.
I didn't mean the best two, just two of the best of the PT, and yes Revan may very well succeed, but his chances of succeess appear to be smaller than that of Dooku and Mace combined. I tend not to give Revan full credit because we don't actually see him in action(Which is a bias I need to rid myself of) we just play with him, and gain abilities which are game mechanics, but if we actually saw Revan in battle then we could have a better view of how he would perform in battle.
Originally posted by Apex
I didn't mean the best two, just two of the best of the PT, and yes Revan may very well succeed, but his chances of succeess appear to be smaller than that of Dooku and Mace combined. I tend not to give Revan full credit because we don't actually see him in action(Which is a bias I need to rid myself of) we just play with him, and gain abilities which are game mechanics, but if we actually saw Revan in battle then we could have a better view of how he would perform in battle.
I agree with you on that. I hope Revan is in more cutscenes and FMVs from now on. If anything, playing as him was rather stupid, since the powers and such were so limited on the original KOTOR, and the dialogue could be pretty stupid at times; not reflective of someone capable of anything higher than ninth grade thought.
Originally posted by Darth_Janus
I agree with you on that. I hope Revan is in more cutscenes and FMVs from now on. If anything, playing as him was rather stupid, since the powers and such were so limited on the original KOTOR, and the dialogue could be pretty stupid at times; not reflective of someone capable of anything higher than ninth grade thought.
I concur, if we had more scences of him in action one on one, one on two, and he faired well against his competition he would probably gain more of my support. They just made the game and said Revan was great and didn't show us how, they just told us. When it comes to SW we have to see how, we didn't settle for just knowing Darth Vader was a great Jedi Lucas showed us how with the PT. Hopefully in the next game if you're not him they'll show him in action in some of his earlier fights.