ultimate X-men VS. uncanny X-men

Originally posted by GalacticStorm
Despite a lot of people beliefs to the contrary the ultimate counterparts are supposed to be a powered down more realistic portrayal of the characters apparrently.

In general, yes, but Ult Colossus is the strongest brick in Ultimates, I'm not sure if it applies to him specifically.

616 incarnations take it IMO. Ult Wolverine doesn't match regular Wolverine, never saw anything particulary special about him. Furthermore adamantium in Ult universe seems somewhat less durable.

Ult Colossus is no doubt stronger and more durable than his 616 counterpart but it will quickly be a case of 2 on 1. And Ult Colossus eyes are extremely vulnerable.
IIRC Ult Falcon, with human level strength, pressed down on them enough to pain Colossus, then held him at bay with a hand gun, threatening to shoot him through his eyes. Think the 616 counterparts would go for the softer parts once they figure out how durable he is.

Originally posted by Q99
In general, yes, but Ult Colossus is the strongest brick in Ultimates, I'm not sure if it applies to him specifically.

Not quite, he was easily taken out (though admittedly off panel) by Juggernaut. Who was then later powered up further.

It's more than likely that Juggernaut took Colossus down while he was in his human form. As he was human when Juggernaut dragged him out. Every other time he'd been ko'd before or after in the entire Ultimates run, he was still in his armored form.

Originally posted by Colossus21
i know thats why i said dont look at the rating system look at their feats...i mean like ultimate colossus is somewhere along the 16-17 ton range..and yet he managed to go to the ocean floor and carry a sumbarine that has a weight of thousands of tons, he stopped a train dead on its tracks..he had to be put down by a nuke....he beat the shit out of magneto and beat the shit out of thor and iron man....and many more......look at their feats

Originally posted by KingD19
It's more than likely that Juggernaut took Colossus down while he was in his human form. As he was human when Juggernaut dragged him out. Every other time he'd been ko'd before or after in the entire Ultimates run, he was still in his armored form.

Colossus was shown in his metal form before Weapon X attacked the mansion, IIRC.

Besides, wasn't there an interview with Kubert with him saying Cain beat the metal out of C?

Originally posted by Metalmanx

And Ult. Wolverine just fights dirty, man.

Originally posted by Metalmanx
He would rip his counterpart to shreds.

Based on what? His feats are not nearly as impressive. He has no were near the experience nor the level of training. So please explain to me how you came to such a conclusion.

while on banshee he took down ultimate magneto who could easily walk through every other ultimate character including thor

Ult Wolverine doesn't seem as durable as his 616 counterpart. As I mentioned before Ult adamantium isn't as indestructible as the original stuff.
Ult Logan has been ripped in half, and there are parts of his skeleton that aren't coated in adamantium, shown by his fight with Ult Lady Deathstrike.

Don't think it'd take long for regular Wolverine to take him down.

ultimate colossus could take down his 616 counterpart, and ultimate wolverine would probably lose to his, it's a matter of who makes quicker work of the other. It's also a matter of who has better teamwork, and the ultimate versions are younger and less experienced

Yo.

Originally posted by Sirius77
Ending the world?

and the proof that 616-Mags couldnt do the same feat is.................??

Tazer

Originally posted by Sirius77
Ending the world?

those storms and earthquake's would bea childs play for 616 mags who is a few tiers above his ultimate counterpart. ultimate colossus could only overpower him because he was extra amped by a banshee heavy dose. at his base level, hed be too weak to move, so the fact that they are mostly weaker than their 616 versions still stands. since it's obvious we should consider ultimate colossus on banshe then he is stronger than the 616 one.

Originally posted by 753
those storms and earthquake's would bea childs play for 616 mags who is a few tiers above his ultimate counterpart. ultimate colossus could only overpower him because he was extra amped by a banshee heavy dose. at his base level, hed be too weak to move, so the fact that they are mostly weaker than their 616 versions still stands. since it's obvious we should consider ultimate colossus on banshe then he is stronger than the 616 one.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
based on what?

He does fight dirty. Almost every incarnation of Wolverine does though.

Originally posted by Trackz
magneto like shifted the whole world off of it's axis, has 616 magneto done anything like that before?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
He does fight dirty. Almost every incarnation of Wolverine does though.

Originally posted by 753
he did that with prep and I suspect some tech amping him. 616 mags hant done that, but he has ripped tectonic plates open, controlled milions of asteroids to block sunlight from reaching earth, caused earthquakes etc.

so I am with you all the way 616 Mag>>>>ultimate.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
located a giant bullet moving light speed after it had already been moving for days if not weeks or months and then brought it back to earth......all while being suposively weaker.......

so I am with you all the way 616 Mag>>>>ultimate.

It was easily months. Perhaps even over a year (Kitty had been gone for all the Dark Reign period, and a bit before that). I had a problem with that feat though. It had been moving for so long and Magneto brough the bullet to earth in around 24 hours.

Though I don't think that is one instance that puts him above Ult Magneto. I think, power-wise, they are quite equal, more-so than most the Ult versions of Marvel characters.

Ult Magneto did need Forge to make a machine for him to control objects in the USA when he was in the Savage Land though.

Originally posted by The Pict
It was easily months. Perhaps even over a year (Kitty had been gone for all the Dark Reign period, and a bit before that). I had a problem with that feat though. It had been moving for so long and Magneto brough the bullet to earth in around 24 hours.

can 616 colossus bench press aircraft carriers?

He caught falling from orbit that was much larger than anything U. Colossus lifted. And he was injured at the time.