Darth Maul vs. ROTJ Luke and ANH Obi-wan

Seeing as ANH Obi-Wan has done nothing for a good twenty (give or take) years, that sounds fine regarding swordsmanship. Dooku was far older, but, then again, he was never out of practice for two decades. Same with physical fitness. While the Force can grant a strength above the normal man, Obi-Wan's strength had obviously decreased with age due to inactivity.

Can't use Yoda or Dooku or Palpatine as good examples for that, because they didn't go for power-blows really ever.

Luke was a Jedi Knight by the end of ROTJ (albeit a half-trained one), so he could at least stand his ground against the Sith Apprentice (albeit a highly deadly one).

In the Visionaries comics, Maul hunts Obi-Wan to Tatooine a year or two after Ben delivers Luke to the Lars homestead. Obi-Wan manages to subdue Maul, but doesn't deliver the killing blow (which would have been to ignite his lightsaber through Maul's forehead), instead leaving Owen Lars to put a hole in Maul's head with a blaster rifle.

Then again, not really canon in an EU sense.

How would that slow a$$ old man keep pace with Maul? Old Ben can barely handle Vader someone who Maul could defeat any day of the week.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
How would that slow a$$ old man keep pace with Maul? Old Ben can barely handle Vader someone who Maul could defeat any day of the week.

Barely handle Vader? Vader only won because Obi-Wan let himself die! Did you not see the same movie or something?

Old? Dooku was older than ANH Obi-Wan in AoTC and RotS. You must remember, the choreography was much worse back then.

True but whos to Vader wouldn't have won anyway?

He might have, but that's not really important. Vader has beaten Maul before. If Vader would have won, it wouldn't prove Maul is better. Add that to pretty much every source says that Vader only was able to defeat Obi-wan when he let himself die.

Actually, Vader versus Maul wasn't a canon source, even in regards to EU canon.

Still ANH Obi-Wan is weaker than ROTS Obi-Wan and that comic is not canon.

Prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that ROTS Obi> ANH Obi.

A statement from George Lucas.

which one?

It was in some interview a while back and didn't Ush post this like two days ago?

He did, and he didn't post a source. If you're going to ride his coattails, I want proof.

Unfortunately I have no link to the site on me and I never thought I would need it. Seeing as to our knowledge we don't know what for those twenty years except talk to Qui-Gon. Oh and Janus before you start saying assumption like with Darthsith that would mean your ideas are also assumptions.

Uh huh. If you can't prove up, you're not just assuming, you're assuming without any basis.

Yes, Ush said that GL said that ANH Obi-Wan is weaker than ROTS Obi-Wan. This could be true. But the burden of proof is on you, who are making the claim. Not me.

Originally posted by Lord Simus
Still ANH Obi-Wan is weaker than ROTS Obi-Wan

The only source where I found that statement was supershadow.com - you should think about it. I don't know where Ushgarak had this from but it seems unlogical to me.

In fact we have all the Jedi getting stronger the older they get. Obi-Wan in ANH is 57 years old - he's 4 years older than Mace in ROTS and in fact he is much younger than people like Sidious (65 years in ROTS) or Dooku (83 years in ROTS). So what makes you think that Obi-Wan can possibly as lame as he is shown in ANH (watch Dooku, Sidious, Yoda) or that he got weaker despite the fact that he kept on "training" (with Qui-Gon) and lived in one of the most life threatening areas in the Galaxy (Tusken, outlaws and bounty-hunters working for Jabba, Krayt-Dragons and all other kind of stuff) ?

well said

Maul takes out ROTJ then he gets taken out by obiwan because obiwan knows how to take down darth, because luke had about a month of training tops and all that

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
The only source where I found that statement was supershadow.com - you should think about it. I don't know where Ushgarak had this from but it seems unlogical to me.

In fact we have all the Jedi getting stronger the older they get. Obi-Wan in ANH is 57 years old - he's 4 years older than Mace in ROTS and in fact he is much younger than people like Sidious (65 years in ROTS) or Dooku (83 years in ROTS). So what makes you think that Obi-Wan can possibly as lame as he is shown in ANH (watch Dooku, Sidious, Yoda) or that he got weaker despite the fact that he kept on "training" (with Qui-Gon) and lived in one of the most life threatening areas in the Galaxy (Tusken, outlaws and bounty-hunters working for Jabba, Krayt-Dragons and all other kind of stuff) ?

Maul9123, you are horribly underrating Maul. He took down Vader during a burst of rage. Luke has also been studying a lot fo the things Obi-wan left behind for him on Tatooine. Luke has displayed a greater mastery of the force than Maul, which saddens me.