Communism vs. Capitalism

Which economic system do you find most likely to reach the theoratical "Utopianism?"

Since that will never happen with the freewill of men, I vote neither.

As long as people can think for themselves, there will always be conflict(social, political etc..) aganst others that oppose their way of thinking. So no utopia me thinks.

with an economic system alone you will not reach utopia.

People likes the idea of Communism. But they prefer to live in a Capitalist nation. It will never work.

well one never knows what will evolve

When we live in a world where no man is greedy.
Where no more technological advances can be made.
When there is no corruption...

communism will be the way forward!

But we'll either have robot slaves, or will have nuked ourselves, before that happens 😛

Read The Bible sometime, God is so obviously communist.

So untill the Rapture. Communism will never work. (Which I'm not suprised about, anything less then onimpetance could not begin to overpower the selfishness and sickness that is mankid..)

I'm not fond of capitalism, but it works. I'm no fool, I see how our goverment gives us false health tips so we're sick and have to buy medicines, I see how they find new and inevntive ways to keep us spinning around in circles, where we have deaubts even after we have long sense passed away. They are greedy and peverse, and yet they are the only things keeping these devil of a species from destroying itself.

But I'm voting communist, simply because I know it could work if the population were dramaticaly less, and we forced people to comply. It's not a dismemberment of free will, you can choose to be an ass and get yourself killed or exiled, lol..

If communism were done right, we'd all be like one gigantic family looking out for one another. Like The Smurfs.

But communism doesn't promote development... there's no incentive to advance 😬

I believe Capitalism to be the Right and best system for the Progress of the Human Race.........now in the far future I could imagine a kind of Communist ...or actually probably more Anarchist way of live....for the economic system...Capitalism just is the best so far....

Originally posted by dave123
But communism doesn't promote development... there's no incentive to advance 😬

That's all capitalism is really good for, is turning us away from our roots. Making us more and more like the aritifical crap that we create. We don't even build half of the stuff we make now, it's sad. People get ENJOYMENT out of farming, and planting, they get a sense of peace as they work with the Earth. We've lost that. If anything, capitalism gives us the incentive to depress and become less then..

I admit it would be hard for me to "move backward", but that's because I was raised amongst technology, but for the betterment of mankind I'd be willing to give it a shot. If the Amish can do it, why can't we?

Interesting outlook on the world.... very refreshing.

Originally posted by dave123
But communism doesn't promote development... there's no incentive to advance 😬

I think the idea behind communism is that people do things because they need to be done. I think what Spelljammer said about "advancement" is very true, though I personally don't think I could live without the joy that is electric guitar.

That said, I think the flaw behind communism is that people are jerks and there will always be greedy, lazy, and selfish individuals. If we could somehow get everybody to agree on the system, it would be great, but I doubt it will happen, at least any time in the forseeable future.

mutualism

Originally posted by Neo_Communist
Which economic system do you find most likely to reach the theoratical "Utopianism?"

but communism doesn't work in practice AT ALL.

so i guess neither 😬

Living the Amish way is only possible within the confines of a capitalist society that effectively protects them. It is not a reliable way for the world to exist and would conemn many to misery if replaicated on a global scale.

Only the continued evolution of modern liberal democracy can seriously advance the prospects of mankind, for the forseeable future.

True, but you're still thinking with a "someone somewhere is going to be a consumeraist state" mindset, I'm thinking with a "post appocalyptic" mindset. Think about if the cold war ACTUALLY happend..

Perhaps another good example of communism would be the "primitive" cultures of Vodo shamans you hear about on discovery channel. These tribes run simaler to what Marxist would've wanted. True, there are "head preists/preistess", but everybody and everything needs a leader. Even the most vicous of animals are lost without someone to be thier compass..

It would be hard to go backward, very hard, perhaps to the point of nothing less then World War 3 like Einstien said. "I don't know what World War 3 will be fought with, but I know World War 4 will be fought witch sticks and stones". But one can hope.

I am not denying the fact that consumerist capitalism is not necessary for happiness.

For example, in the exhibit on the south bank of the Thames up right now- a vast collection of prints related to the campaign to make Povery history (a very interesting, if rather lopsided, assortment) two of the facts on offer was along the lines of "More people have a phone in New York than in the whole of Africa", and then something along the lines of that the vast majority of people in the world have never made a phone call.

Shocking- but only to our western standards. When I repeated this to a friend of mine- who ois rather good at self-sufficiency, growing his own food and what-not- he pointed out that there are actually a hell of a lot of peopl;e who can live in their own self-sustained communities qithout the need for the internet and computers and who seriously would not care that they had not made a phone call; you don't need that technology to be happy and fulfilled.

A fair point. But on a global scale I remain resolutely convinced that only capitalism can advance humanity as a whole- unpleasant though parts of it can be.

Originally posted by Clovie
in theory communism is closer to utopia

but communism doesn't work in practice AT ALL.

so i guess neither 😬

I don't agree with "AT ALL". Clovie, PRL was not as bad as you think. Compare it to capitalism in Poland: unemployment, poverty and a lot of affairs...

I don't vote. About the question: in theory: communism. In practice: none.

Originally posted by pinsleepe
I don't agree with "AT ALL". Clovie, PRL was not as bad as you think. Compare it to capitalism in Poland: unemployment, poverty and a lot of affairs...

I don't vote. About the question: in theory: communism. In practice: none.

it had some points of it, but it wasn't what it was supposed to be
and sure there wasn't unemployment...
but there were other disadvantages.

and think about all the stuff they sent to ZSRR 😬

Tell me what do you mean (about ZSRR/or USSR in for English).

In Polish 😉

About our "not real communism". What are you talking about, sweety? I think I know, but I want to hear it from you glare