Bench Press Tourny:

"Explain all his massive power upgrades then? It was a perminant boost. He didn't keep all of it, but he's massively more powerful."

His power ups wer from the weakest version ever ( Byrne) until today where hes more powerful to do over the top feats and compete with other high heroes. Byrne high strenght feats wer mountains. Todays Superman its more.

"It was a perminant boost. He didn't keep all of it, but he's massively more powerful."

So its average its the same of OWAW Superman now?

Does that means that in JlA/Avengers Thor had that Superman in the ropes without using his godly powers?

Works for me.

When Jurgens took over Thor, his strenngth was diminished greatly untill he became King Thor.

Superman's power has gradually been risisng since the Byrne era.

The Thor that fought Superman during the Crossover shouldn't have had a chance against him.

🙂 😄

But it did.

Either Thor was holding his strenght all the time when Jurgens was writting him or.......

Superman aint all that, considering the troubles he had 😉

Originally posted by olympian
But it did.

Either Thor was holding his strenght all the time when Jurgens was writting him or.......

Superman aint all that, considering the troubles he had 😉

Maybe Marvel executives couldn't stand to see a can of Whupp ass opened up on their characters. So it was agreed to diminish the D.C. strength levels.

It explains the W.W vs Herc match

+ Why all those Level 6 characters where able to hurt Supes in the end. 😉

Mortal Hercules restrained her in the end with a strenght plus skill combo.

Even as mortal he has been written lately as being close to immortal levels, so the strenght its enought to restrained her.

Her strenght wasent and didnt needed to be diminished.

Rumors, Yahman, all rumors!

😉

The Hulk has greater feats of strength than all of these combined. If it's a contest of who can lift the most, Hulk takes it.

Originally posted by olympian
Mortal Hercules restrained her in the end with a strenght plus skill combo.

Even as mortal he has been written lately as being close to immortal levels, so the strenght its enought to restrained her.

Her strenght wasent and didnt needed to be diminished.

Rumors, Yahman, all rumors!

😉

If Superman was diminished its only fair that they diminish allll the D.C. characters. After all we can't have W.W. stronger than Supes can we. Not Rumours all logic 😉

"The Hulk has greater feats of strength than all of these combined"

So hes stronger than all of those at the same time now. Funny how he never showed it.

"If Superman was diminished its only fair that they diminish allll the D.C. characters"

Now now. We dont know if he was or not. Thor didnt had exactly low showings in Jurgens title. More like it, he wrote some of his opponents as stronger again. And no im not talking about Mangog.

Both wer portraited rougly equal as in average.

Wonder Woman wasent portraited as stronger than Superman either, its mooth. Hercules even he managed to pull a stalemate was Mortal. Therefore below them.

Originally posted by olympian
"The Hulk has greater feats of strength than all of these combined"

So hes stronger than all of those at the same time now. Funny how he never showed it.

"If Superman was diminished its only fair that they diminish allll the D.C. characters"

Now now. We dont know if he was or not. Thor didnt had exactly low showings in Jurgens title. More like it, he wrote some of his opponents as stronger again. And no im not talking about Mangog.

Both wer portraited rougly equal as in average.

Wonder Woman wasent portraited as stronger than Superman either, its mooth. Hercules even he managed to pull a stalemate was Mortal. Therefore below them.

Oh yeah Like when he could barely Lift a building, When he got battered by a Sea Snake, When he was knocked out by a punch that could barely shatter a crystal. All really impressive showings 🙄

Jurgens Thor sucked. Barely Class 100 at best.

King Thor = Different Matter.

Originally posted by olympian
"The Hulk has greater feats of strength than all of these combined"

Matter-antimatter attraction. Forgetful, are we?

Hulk has lesser feats that are greater than anything any of these guys have done.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Ulik is Class 90.
On par with Thor my socks.
Ulik usually show his own against Thor cause he's a troll, trolls are a warrior race, brutals and ruthless, Thor usually doesn't goes all out on his enemies, just like Supes.
When Odin died against Surtur, Thor teleports to the troll realm to ask an oracle if Odin was still alive.
He K.O.ed Ulik in like 2/3 shots, showing that when's he's enraged or mad you shouldn't mess with him.
Juggy is a match for any hero on Marvel Earth, his strenght hasn't showed a limit, and his durability is the best there is, he is indestructible.

Invincible should be somewhere on the list, imo.

Who says Drax has the Power Gem here? it was never stated in opening post.

Originally posted by Cosmic Cube
Matter-antimatter attraction. Forgetful, are we?

Hulk has lesser feats that are greater than anything any of these guys have done.

Matter-antimatter attraction isn't very powerful....

Antimatter can be held still with a relatively weak electromagnetic field.

Originally posted by Soljer
Matter-antimatter attraction isn't very powerful....

Antimatter can be held still with a relatively weak electromagnetic field.

But it's molecule to molecule reaction is about as exciting as Eeyore [you know, the donkey from WTP]..

Originally posted by Galan007
Depends how much matter/anti-matter you have. 😛

But it's molecule to molecule reaction is about as exciting as Eeyore [you know, the donkey from WTP]..

Reaction, yes.

Attraction, no.

Originally posted by Soljer
[b]Reaction, yes.

Attraction, no. [/B]

Originally posted by Galan007
Meaning matter&anti-matter want to combine/cancel each other out - but the energy released when this occurs, is not overly impressive?

Meaning that the force between matter and anti-matter attraction is the same as ordinary gravitational attraction.

I.E. negligible for most bodies.

The energy from the resulting reaction is quite impressive.

Apparently the Hulk has limits to his strength you know?I am sure he was angry when the Juggernaut was kicking the crap out of him so many times but did he become more powerful?Juggernaut always says he can't be stop but he can...alot of characters shout stupid things out that arent true.

Superman is atleast top 2, he can lift 100,000 tons, the Hulk would have to be Super enraged to reach that, and the others on the list just cant come near it, and whatever Supes can lift so can Manhunter, so they tie. Lobo is right under Supes, and Captain Marvel if not splitting his power or pulling his strenght(which he is known for doing) can lift as much as lobo. from there on who knows

i dont know about drax so i cant say anything on him, but the resgt cant keep up a Raged hulk is sstill only at bout 400tons, Superboy can outlift that(if you can count the tactile), Juggs is at about 300ton range maybe farther but not too far...and the rest well who cares? they lose.

Where did you see a really angry Hulk could lift 400 and Juggernaut could only life 300 tons?The last time i checked there class was 100 plus tons and the upper limit to their strength was unknown.Maybe you are just another superman fan boy or you just lack the knowledge of most other characters.Based on logic and what is shown the Juggernaut would be one of the top characters and not because i like him.Marvel states that the Juggernaut can't tire right while every character you name can get tired..it might take a while but eventually they will.Every character you named can break their bones trying to lift something beyond their ability while the Juggernaut can't break his bone.

Originally posted by Soljer
The energy from the resulting reaction is quite impressive.