Wicca and PAganism (witchcraft) a sin or not?

Started by Alliance6 pages
Originally posted by Jim Reaper
Before they were put to a horrible death for not converting...

Yes. The heads on pikes was disturbing.

Originally posted by Alliance
Yes. The heads on pikes was disturbing.

Those catholics can be so persuading.

It wasnt a new thing. Think of a rebel crucified every 0.035 kilometers along the Appian way in 71 BCE.

THey are the same in my book.jmvelho

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
This person speaks the Word of God. Listen to him.

And unlike you, he is always nice to me.

Originally posted by ADarksideJedi
THey are the same in my book.jmvelho

Why?

The Bible Condemns Witchcraft

2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,

Acts 8:9-13;
9 But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously practiced sorcery in the city and astonished the people of Samaria, claiming that he was someone great,
10 to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, “This man is the great power of God.”
11 And they heeded him because he had astonished them with his sorceries for a long time.
12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done.

Folks, according to the Holy Bible, human beings can harness supernatural or preternatural power. However, this power is either from the Spirit of God or from the devil. Ask Chriss Angel does he trust Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. Ask Chriss Angel if he believes that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Folks Chriss Angel's power is not of God. I believe it is of the devil. However, Chriss Angel's power is real, but it is demonic in nature. These are not tricks or an illusion, what you saw with your eyes is truly what happened. However, Chriss Angel and David Blaine are not typical magicians in the sense that you think that they are. Chriss Angel and David Blaine are sorcerers (male versions of witches). I know that referring to someone as a sorcerer or witch is not politically correct, but the shoe fits, and I call it how it is. There is no scientific explanation for what Chriss Angel and David Blaine do--because witchcraft is not science--but there is definitely a supernatural explanation. What Chriss Angel and David Blaine do is not mind-over-matter, mentalism, telekinesis, or anything pertaining to the mind. Their power is of spiritual origin. The source of their power, and yes it is real power, is demonic. Don't be deceived by the mindfreak designation (I meant to say pretense). Mindfreak is just a pretense to downplay or mitigate what is truly taking place. If you knew the true source of their power you would want nothing to do with Chriss Angel or David Blaine. If Chriss Angel and David Blaine called their practice by its true name—witchcraft--they know the public would strongly object. So to make their practice (seem) innocuous and peoplefriendly they dubbed it magic, illusion, or trick. This way they can still perform sorcery (witchcraft) right in front of you, astonish you, and get away with it scot-free. Simon, was a man who, like Chriss Angel and David Blaine, practiced sorcery, but he did it thousands of years before Chriss Angel and David Blaine. Get yourself a King James Bible, go to the Table of Contents and look up Acts. It reads Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts. Locate chapter 8, verses 9-11. The word, magic arts, is synonymous with sorcery. There it is in black and white. Lastly, get yourself a Bible dictionary and look up the word magic arts or sorcery. These miracles are hardly illusion or trick but the work of sorcery, black magic, or witchcraft. Mindfreak is a diversion, or distraction to misdirect your common sense from what is actually occurring before your very eyes. It is unreal that Chriss Angel can do all of these amazing, otherwordly things right before your eyes and still, still you do not believe what just happened. Your mind is so deceived that you cannot even make an intelligent deduction about what you've just seen. Magicians (ordinary, sleight of hand performers) or people in general, do not walk up walls, walk on water, levitate several feet off of the ground, break glass objects with their mind, make tarantulas appear from nowhere (literally), teleport from one place to another, walk through glass, put his arm through someone’s body so that his arm appears from the person's chest, bite a quarter clean off, then spit the other half back on the other half, and so on. You and others are so taken, deceived, and blind to this reality that it can happen right in front of your eyes and yet you still disbelieve. Incredible. According to the Bible there was a man who practiced sorcery. This man was doing sorcery or witchcraft before Chriss Angel and before David Blaine. This man astonished people just like Chriss Angel and David Blaine except it is called by its true name: sorcery, not illusion or trick. Power is a real thing that can be harnessed by people, ask any ex-sorcerer, witch, or satanist. These people don't deny the existence of power, they know it exists. I just gave you several reasons that show, imply, and prove that David Blaine and Criss Angel are truly operating in witchraft. What you will learn on the internet is how to do what David Blaine and Criss Angel do, but you will learn witchcraft. That is how they do what they do. Why do you not understand my speech? Because you are not able to listen to my word.
Nothing that they is normal or illusionary. Their witchcraft is distinct from anything that any person can do through trickery or sleight of hand. What they do defies gravity, physics, and other laws of the natural world. If you cannot see this then you never will. Get yourself a Bible dictionary and look up the word sorcery in this context you will be amazed. Sorcery is real, and it is supernatural power imparted to people for a purpose and probably with strings attached. Chriss Angel has walked up walls, levitated, passed through solid objects, walked on water, bent himself and others in 90 degree angles with no support, caused objects to levitate at will, transported himself from one place to another, hit by a car, eaten animals only to have them reappear somewhere else, and much more miracles that defy human reasoning. In short, Chriss Angel has perfomed miracles. He is not an ordinary magician who does tricks through sleight of hand. Chriss Angel is not performing tricks at all. A trick or illusion is just that. But a miracle is more than that, it is real power at work doing what to the ordinary person is not possible or normal place. There is a night and day difference between magic (sleight of hand) and bona fide sorcery or witchcraft. Folks don't be deceived by the guise (mindfreak), this is real, supernatural power; power that is not of this world I assure you. Read the above references about a man called Simon, it can be found in the Bible.

Exodus 7:11-25, 8:1-25; Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:10-15; Isaiah 47:12-15; Acts 13:6-11, 19:19

Did you start this because I mentioned David Blaine in the 23 minutes thread?

Holy shit, it makes mine eyes bleed.

Originally posted by chillmeistergen
Did you start this because I mentioned David Blaine in the 23 minutes thread?

I started this so that people can educate themselves on what is truly taken place.

Well i've just been educated. Here was me thinking witchcraft was the shizzle, but it was actually the pizzle! I'm a much better person now 🙂

2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
This honestly sounds like the Pentecostal church. And according to other denominations they don't follow gods 10 commandments (lawlessness), They speak in gibberish and call it "words of god", they speak false words of god, and they do healing's in (gods?) name. Some of the speaking in tongues have been translated as having bits of another language in it that are blasphemous. They accuse everybody else of going to hell such as Daved Blaine.

Firstly NO ONE can judge what is a sin and not but GOD.

Paganism isn´t a religion. Paganus, meaning "an old country dweller, rustic" is a term which, from a Western perspective, has come to connote a broad set of spiritual or cultic practices or beliefs of any folk religion, and of historical and contemporary polytheism religions in particular.
The term can be defined broadly, to encompass the faith traditions outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Wicca isn´t that old, Wiccan theology began to be compiled no earlier than the 1920s. So all this "ancient british religion" waffle is rubbish.
Magic doesn´t exist, and all these daft rituals produce nothing. Wicca is just an alternative for people who don´t want to follow the main religions and want to be different. So wake up!

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Firstly NO ONE can judge what is a sin and not but GOD.

Paganism isn´t a religion. Paganus, meaning "an old country dweller, rustic" is a term which, from a Western perspective, has come to connote a broad set of spiritual or cultic practices or beliefs of any folk religion, and of historical and contemporary polytheism religions in particular.
The term can be defined broadly, to encompass the faith traditions outside the Abrahamic monotheistic group of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.

Wicca isn´t that old, Wiccan theology began to be compiled no earlier than the 1920s. So all this "ancient british religion" waffle is rubbish.
Magic doesn´t exist, and all these daft rituals produce nothing. Wicca is just an alternative for people who don´t want to follow the main religions and want to be different. So wake up!

God has given us His Word so that we can judge sin. Witchcraft is a sin.

Deuteronomy 18:10-15
10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.

Acts 19:19
19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God has given us His Word so that we can judge sin. Witchcraft is a sin.

[B]Deuteronomy 18:10-15
10 There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, 11 or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. 12 For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD, and because of these abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. 13 You shall be blameless before the LORD your God. 14 For these nations which you will dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God has not appointed such for you.

Acts 19:19
19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver.
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That sounds like conversion by the sword to me.

Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
God has given us His Word so that we can judge sin. Witchcraft is a sin.

[B]Deuteronomy 18:10-15

Acts 19:19
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Luke 6:37 "Stop judging, and you will never be judged. Stop condemning, and you will never be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven"

http://biblebrowser.com/luke/6-37.htm

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Luke 6:37 "Stop judging, and you will never be judged. Stop condemning, and you will never be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven"

http://biblebrowser.com/luke/6-37.htm

So, the bible says one thing in one place, and then says just the opposite in another place. 😕 I'm sure glad the bible does not contradict itself. 😆

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That sounds like conversion by the sword to me.
The Acts 19 account? Definitely not. You should actually read it.

Originally posted by Nellinator
The Acts 19 account? Definitely not. You should actually read it.

I don't know what you are talking about. Please explain.

It wasn't conversion by the sword. The people converted and brought their books out of their own accord and burned them. It was their own choice. Off the top of my head I can't even remember Paul recommending that they burn their books.