Originally posted by Bicnarok
Luke 6:37 "Stop judging, and you will never be judged. Stop condemning, and you will never be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven"
There are two types of judgment: [COLOR=darkblue]judging right from wrong and judging someone. This verse is talking about the latter. The former verse that I quoted is talking about judging from wrong not judging someone as such. So, no, there is no contradiction.[/COLOR]
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
There are two types of judgment: [COLOR=darkblue]judging right from wrong and judging someone. This verse is talking about the latter. The former verse that I quoted is talking about judging from wrong not judging someone as such. So, no, there is no contradiction.[/COLOR]
I meant to say judging right from wrong in the last statement (typo).
Re: The Bible Condemns Witchcraft
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,Acts 8:9-13;
9 But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously practiced sorcery in the city and astonished the people of Samaria, claiming that he was someone great,
10 to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, “This man is the great power of God.”
11 And they heeded him because he had astonished them with his sorceries for a long time.
12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done.Folks, according to the Holy Bible, human beings can harness supernatural or preternatural power. However, this power is either from the Spirit of God or from the devil. Ask Chriss Angel does he trust Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. Ask Chriss Angel if he believes that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Folks Chriss Angel's power is not of God. I believe it is of the devil. However, Chriss Angel's power is real, but it is demonic in nature. These are not tricks or an illusion, what you saw with your eyes is truly what happened. However, Chriss Angel and David Blaine are not typical magicians in the sense that you think that they are. Chriss Angel and David Blaine are sorcerers (male versions of witches). I know that referring to someone as a sorcerer or witch is not politically correct, but the shoe fits, and I call it how it is. There is no scientific explanation for what Chriss Angel and David Blaine do--because witchcraft is not science--but there is definitely a supernatural explanation. What Chriss Angel and David Blaine do is not mind-over-matter, mentalism, telekinesis, or anything pertaining to the mind. Their power is of spiritual origin. The source of their power, and yes it is real power, is demonic. Don't be deceived by the mindfreak designation (I meant to say pretense). Mindfreak is just a pretense to downplay or mitigate what is truly taking place. If you knew the true source of their power you would want nothing to do with Chriss Angel or David Blaine. If Chriss Angel and David Blaine called their practice by its true name—witchcraft--they know the public would strongly object. So to make their practice (seem) innocuous and peoplefriendly they dubbed it magic, illusion, or trick. This way they can still perform sorcery (witchcraft) right in front of you, astonish you, and get away with it scot-free. Simon, was a man who, like Chriss Angel and David Blaine, practiced sorcery, but he did it thousands of years before Chriss Angel and David Blaine. Get yourself a King James Bible, go to the Table of Contents and look up Acts. It reads Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts. Locate chapter 8, verses 9-11. The word, magic arts, is synonymous with sorcery. There it is in black and white. Lastly, get yourself a Bible dictionary and look up the word magic arts or sorcery. These miracles are hardly illusion or trick but the work of sorcery, black magic, or witchcraft. Mindfreak is a diversion, or distraction to misdirect your common sense from what is actually occurring before your very eyes. It is unreal that Chriss Angel can do all of these amazing, otherwordly things right before your eyes and still, still you do not believe what just happened. Your mind is so deceived that you cannot even make an intelligent deduction about what you've just seen. Magicians (ordinary, sleight of hand performers) or people in general, do not walk up walls, walk on water, levitate several feet off of the ground, break glass objects with their mind, make tarantulas appear from nowhere (literally), teleport from one place to another, walk through glass, put his arm through someone’s body so that his arm appears from the person's chest, bite a quarter clean off, then spit the other half back on the other half, and so on. You and others are so taken, deceived, and blind to this reality that it can happen right in front of your eyes and yet you still disbelieve. Incredible. According to the Bible there was a man who practiced sorcery. This man was doing sorcery or witchcraft before Chriss Angel and before David Blaine. This man astonished people just like Chriss Angel and David Blaine except it is called by its true name: sorcery, not illusion or trick. Power is a real thing that can be harnessed by people, ask any ex-sorcerer, witch, or satanist. These people don't deny the existence of power, they know it exists. I just gave you several reasons that show, imply, and prove that David Blaine and Criss Angel are truly operating in witchraft. What you will learn on the internet is how to do what David Blaine and Criss Angel do, but you will learn witchcraft. That is how they do what they do. Why do you not understand my speech? Because you are not able to listen to my word.
Nothing that they is normal or illusionary. Their witchcraft is distinct from anything that any person can do through trickery or sleight of hand. What they do defies gravity, physics, and other laws of the natural world. If you cannot see this then you never will. Get yourself a Bible dictionary and look up the word sorcery in this context you will be amazed. Sorcery is real, and it is supernatural power imparted to people for a purpose and probably with strings attached. Chriss Angel has walked up walls, levitated, passed through solid objects, walked on water, bent himself and others in 90 degree angles with no support, caused objects to levitate at will, transported himself from one place to another, hit by a car, eaten animals only to have them reappear somewhere else, and much more miracles that defy human reasoning. In short, Chriss Angel has perfomed miracles. He is not an ordinary magician who does tricks through sleight of hand. Chriss Angel is not performing tricks at all. A trick or illusion is just that. But a miracle is more than that, it is real power at work doing what to the ordinary person is not possible or normal place. There is a night and day difference between magic (sleight of hand) and bona fide sorcery or witchcraft. Folks don't be deceived by the guise (mindfreak), this is real, supernatural power; power that is not of this world I assure you. Read the above references about a man called Simon, it can be found in the Bible.Exodus 7:11-25, 8:1-25; Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:10-15; Isaiah 47:12-15; Acts 13:6-11, 19:19 [/B]
whatever little respect, you had{as a human being atleast} in this forum, u have lost by posting that ridiculous message. your treading on the egde of lunacy, and those words dont sound very different from people claiming that all political leaders are aliens or of the ku klux clan instigating boycott and genocide. if its your desire to start a 21st century witchhunt, be my guest. but dont go around posting crap like that and expecting people to take a word u say seriously.
criss angel and david blaine often times SHOW how a seemingly unbelieveable stunt or trick is choreographed and pulled off. theyve done entire shows on dehoaxing. its TRICKERY, albeit very skillful one but i dont believe most{even if not all, which it could very well be} of it is anything truly mystic. or are u gonna tell us next that david copperfield flies and makes the eifel tower disappear from the power of the DEVIL?!
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What is magic?
the tendency of the universe to act physically irrationally and emotionally rationally
being in tune with the conciounce/energy of the universe/beyond
chaos{physical/perceptual} which needs will to channel into observable or desired phenomenon{possibly possessed inherently by some, the chaos i mean}
given power
power aquired through pacts with sentiences/psuedopsentiences
pure will, enough to dominate or bend to an extent, the inherent will underlying what we see around us as existance.
thas what i think from experiences. mostly itsjust trickery. but once in a lifetime{or rather many lifetimes} u might come across someone real.
Re: Wicca and PAganism (witchcraft) a sin or not?
Originally posted by padmeXskywalker
I am a witch, i study witchcraft and magick. I am wiccan and pagan.Many of my friends in the past have called me devil worshipper. I just want to know, only nothing anyvody says is going to change the way i think about my religion, is Paganism and Wicca wrong??? is it worshipping satan (who by the way was made up by christians) is magick turning beauftiful flowers into dust, spreading plague ect...
To you, is that what magick and pagansim is about???
This is why the religious forum fails in so many levels. Do you even know what Wicca is?
Re: Re: Wicca and PAganism (witchcraft) a sin or not?
Originally posted by Scythe
This is why the religious forum fails in so many levels. Do you even know what Wicca is?
http://www.cbn.com/vod/?s=/vod/RD6v2&title=Shalom:%20Worshipping%20the%20Right%20God
Re: Re: Re: Wicca and PAganism (witchcraft) a sin or not?
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
http://www.cbn.com/vod/?s=/vod/RD6v2&title=Shalom:%20Worshipping%20the%20Right%20God
I know what said religion is, she, however must be well confused.
Originally posted by Darth Macabre
Being that she used the two words interchangeably, I'm going to go with a loud and resounding no.
She does have a point, you have to admit. She's stated, as well as numerous ongoers, that the fact that Christians think Wicca and Paganism are satanic arts isn't going to change the palpability that Wiccans are going to stay Wiccans. Just like because Christianity sees it unfit to practice Wicca doesn't make it any less of a religion... nay... Lifestyle. Butt heads all you'd like, it won't change reality, and unless you want to take hold of your torches and have yourselves a good old recreation of the Salem Witch Trials then I suggest you quiet down and let people live their lives, sin or not.
Re: The Bible Condemns Witchcraft
Originally posted by JesusIsAlive
[B]2 Thessalonians 2:9
The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,Acts 8:9-13;
9 But there was a certain man called Simon, who previously practiced sorcery in the city and astonished the people of Samaria, claiming that he was someone great,
10 to whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, “This man is the great power of God.”
11 And they heeded him because he had astonished them with his sorceries for a long time.
12 But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
13 Then Simon himself also believed; and when he was baptized he continued with Philip, and was amazed, seeing the miracles and signs which were done.Folks, according to the Holy Bible, human beings can harness supernatural or preternatural power. However, this power is either from the Spirit of God or from the devil. Ask Chriss Angel does he trust Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior. Ask Chriss Angel if he believes that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh. Folks Chriss Angel's power is not of God. I believe it is of the devil. However, Chriss Angel's power is real, but it is demonic in nature. These are not tricks or an illusion, what you saw with your eyes is truly what happened. However, Chriss Angel and David Blaine are not typical magicians in the sense that you think that they are. Chriss Angel and David Blaine are sorcerers (male versions of witches). I know that referring to someone as a sorcerer or witch is not politically correct, but the shoe fits, and I call it how it is. There is no scientific explanation for what Chriss Angel and David Blaine do--because witchcraft is not science--but there is definitely a supernatural explanation. What Chriss Angel and David Blaine do is not mind-over-matter, mentalism, telekinesis, or anything pertaining to the mind. Their power is of spiritual origin. The source of their power, and yes it is real power, is demonic. Don't be deceived by the mindfreak designation (I meant to say pretense). Mindfreak is just a pretense to downplay or mitigate what is truly taking place. If you knew the true source of their power you would want nothing to do with Chriss Angel or David Blaine. If Chriss Angel and David Blaine called their practice by its true name—witchcraft--they know the public would strongly object. So to make their practice (seem) innocuous and peoplefriendly they dubbed it magic, illusion, or trick. This way they can still perform sorcery (witchcraft) right in front of you, astonish you, and get away with it scot-free. Simon, was a man who, like Chriss Angel and David Blaine, practiced sorcery, but he did it thousands of years before Chriss Angel and David Blaine. Get yourself a King James Bible, go to the Table of Contents and look up Acts. It reads Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts. Locate chapter 8, verses 9-11. The word, magic arts, is synonymous with sorcery. There it is in black and white. Lastly, get yourself a Bible dictionary and look up the word magic arts or sorcery. These miracles are hardly illusion or trick but the work of sorcery, black magic, or witchcraft. Mindfreak is a diversion, or distraction to misdirect your common sense from what is actually occurring before your very eyes. It is unreal that Chriss Angel can do all of these amazing, otherwordly things right before your eyes and still, still you do not believe what just happened. Your mind is so deceived that you cannot even make an intelligent deduction about what you've just seen. Magicians (ordinary, sleight of hand performers) or people in general, do not walk up walls, walk on water, levitate several feet off of the ground, break glass objects with their mind, make tarantulas appear from nowhere (literally), teleport from one place to another, walk through glass, put his arm through someone’s body so that his arm appears from the person's chest, bite a quarter clean off, then spit the other half back on the other half, and so on. You and others are so taken, deceived, and blind to this reality that it can happen right in front of your eyes and yet you still disbelieve. Incredible. According to the Bible there was a man who practiced sorcery. This man was doing sorcery or witchcraft before Chriss Angel and before David Blaine. This man astonished people just like Chriss Angel and David Blaine except it is called by its true name: sorcery, not illusion or trick. Power is a real thing that can be harnessed by people, ask any ex-sorcerer, witch, or satanist. These people don't deny the existence of power, they know it exists. I just gave you several reasons that show, imply, and prove that David Blaine and Criss Angel are truly operating in witchraft. What you will learn on the internet is how to do what David Blaine and Criss Angel do, but you will learn witchcraft. That is how they do what they do. Why do you not understand my speech? Because you are not able to listen to my word.
Nothing that they is normal or illusionary. Their witchcraft is distinct from anything that any person can do through trickery or sleight of hand. What they do defies gravity, physics, and other laws of the natural world. If you cannot see this then you never will. Get yourself a Bible dictionary and look up the word sorcery in this context you will be amazed. Sorcery is real, and it is supernatural power imparted to people for a purpose and probably with strings attached. Chriss Angel has walked up walls, levitated, passed through solid objects, walked on water, bent himself and others in 90 degree angles with no support, caused objects to levitate at will, transported himself from one place to another, hit by a car, eaten animals only to have them reappear somewhere else, and much more miracles that defy human reasoning. In short, Chriss Angel has perfomed miracles. He is not an ordinary magician who does tricks through sleight of hand. Chriss Angel is not performing tricks at all. A trick or illusion is just that. But a miracle is more than that, it is real power at work doing what to the ordinary person is not possible or normal place. There is a night and day difference between magic (sleight of hand) and bona fide sorcery or witchcraft. Folks don't be deceived by the guise (mindfreak), this is real, supernatural power; power that is not of this world I assure you. Read the above references about a man called Simon, it can be found in the Bible.Exodus 7:11-25, 8:1-25; Leviticus 19:31; Deuteronomy 18:10-15; Isaiah 47:12-15; Acts 13:6-11, 19:19 [/B]
You speak nothing, but pure unadulterated blasphemy. It's been proven that these illusionists are just that, illusionists! And what if they were "something other than human"? Would you track them down, splash them with a couple dozen bottles of holy water, then go to sleep at night, pleased with yourself, thinking you've done gods work? I'd curtainly hope not, because we have places for people like that my friend and you may wanna take a jacket cause even white walls can't stop the cold.