Hercules vs. Firelord

Sounds more like a mystical realms...not the scientifically defined sun.

I agree that the other characters like Thor without a hammer would be harmed from Firelords most intense attacks. I'm not trying to pick on Herc or anything, don't take it personal. Taking a attack from lots of those guys, like the BEYONDER, is kinda just novelty. The Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than Galactus. If Galactus can turn Herc into an Amoeba then so can the Beyonder. The Beyonder did all kinds of stuff when he was in his human form. But it didnt mean he was using his full power. The Thing beat the Beyonder in a fight! Doesnt give the Thing class 10^100000 strength and invulnerability.

I didnt meant to say he took a full powered blast from Beyonder. That wasent the case. But a blast nothless that pretty much got him tossed thro a mountain, and that he gets up with no damage other than making a remark how powerful Beyonder was. its a pretty good durability feat.

Im also in agreenment that a full blast from Firelord, can take him like all of the top tier who dont have defenses against it. That way he wins. Its when he doesnt use the best shots that he gets a disavantage.

About Thor in the sun. What it seems odd to me its the appearant sphere in the heart of the sun where Atum -also- was. Does that mean Atum needs it too? Seems odd.

Thing defeated wich Beyonder in a fight? Pre or post retcon.

Pre in his own comic book. Thing almost killed Beyonder. Beyonder gave the Thing the opportunity to kill him and the Thing almost did it. Herc is real durable. He can take more heat than most guys. I imagine he's capable of sustaining similar damage to Thor. But the kind of heat Firelord can produce would quickly vaporize any of the top strong guys. I mean the normal flame surrounding the Human Torch is hot enough to melt right through Colossus, a guy we usually consider pretty heat resistant and durable. Most of the strong guys burn from just a few thousand degrees. Firelord can produce millions upon millions.

I agree.

Can you tell me wich issue the fight between Beyonder and Thing happened?

yea just a minute

Here it is, issue thirty

Thanks Wynndar.

atum is said to live in some 'mystical city' inside the sun. i agree with wynn - it's probably not - strictly speaking - the sun, but some magical plane inside the sun where thor can walk and talk like it WASN'T 15 000 000 degrees.

superman too has been said not to be able to fly into a star and survive. takes cosmics or the well defended (ie green lantern) to do that feat.

Just thought that I would add my two cents to this discussion...

Like the heralds of Galactus, Thor has been shown to withstand the rigors of deep space for extended periods of time..so I'm sure his durability is way up there. In addition to this..in a what if comic..(I know someone is going to say its not canon..but oh well) Thor was going up against Set, and was shown to still be standing after being engulfed by a s*t load of fire from one of Set's heads. He was being burned for quite some time, before Gae stepped in and saved him.

Anyway..all this goes back to the argument that Thor probably could withstand a full on blast from firelord..Albeit..he'd be the little worse for wear, but he'd survive..and possibly still have enough strength to take the former herald down.

FYI By the way..the comic that I'm referring to was "What if Marvel Superheroes had lost Atlantis attacks"

a full nova blast (ie actual nova strength and heat) should incinerate a hammerless thor and destroy the planet. it's debatable if he or hulk could stand ground zero of a nuclear explosion - if they COULD, they would be hurt VERY badly. a nova is 1000s of times greater. thor's hammer could block a concentrated blast, but thor himself shouldn't be able to survive.

ps-above i said supes can't survive in the sun. that of course is stupid considering he's been shown 'sun-dipping' several times recently, and prime actually LIVED in the sun . . .

oops. 😮

Originally posted by leonidas
"IN A SPHERE . . ."

thor can't survive in a star.

Thor can survive in a star. "in a sphere" and that means what exactly?? the only statement that really means something is the one who says they are in the heart of the sun. BRB also survived being in the sun two times while one of them he was unconscious. Currently even young Thor without Mjolnir was fighting inside the sun.

Firelord already tried to melt Thor and he almost did it so he has a chance to kill Hercules.

Unless supreme PIS/CIS is involved, Firelord should take it every damn time.

Originally posted by themadsurfer
Thor can survive in a star. "in a sphere" and that means what exactly?? the only statement that really means something is the one who says they are in the heart of the sun. BRB also survived being in the sun two times while one of them he was unconscious. Currently even young Thor without Mjolnir was fighting inside the sun.

Firelord already tried to melt Thor and he almost did it so he has a chance to kill Hercules.

well, that was...a few years back. i still contend that meeting with atum is NOT proof of thor being able to live in a star, though some believe otherwise. hell, even his CLOAK wasn't singed. 😂

if he has fought inside a star more recently, cool, but i seem to recall in the phoenix arc thor had to force a ship off a collision course with a star and he didn't much relish the idea.....could he handle a star? yeah, i think so. unscathed and effortlessly? i think it depends on the writer, especially if he didn't have the hammer.

and yeah, it would take fl fighting like a moron to lose this. herc is too much a 1-trick pony to handle characters with the versatility of a herald.