Hercules and Thor vs. Juggernaut and Hulk

"all i'm saying is every time thor steps in the way, he gets beat up, just like in the pictures above, just like in 8th day"

He gets more hurt because he doesnt have Jugernauts durability, we all agree and know that. Your pics however seem to give the maybe wrong impression that strenghtwise hes above. When he is not.

Physically except for his durability they are on par.

About 8th day, lets see if i manage to find the whole story and ill either concead or give reason to my memory.

About the figth itself here, its another matter wich i already gave my opinion. Its either a tossup or Thor uses his more exotic powers for the win.

Other way around its also possible just not the majority for me.

Originally posted by olympian
He gets more hurt because he doesnt have Jugernauts durability, we all agree and know that.

exactly... but its consistant in both 8th day, and regular thor/juggernaut appearances... right???

Originally posted by olympian
Your pics however seem to give the maybe wrong impression that strenghtwise hes above. When he is not.

how so??? mind showing me where thors punchs show more damage than juggernauts??? juggernaut while depowered was still flinging thor around. thor on the other hand STILL couldnt drop juggernaut, despite his power loss. a backhand from juggernaut can send thor hurtling a city block or more??? yet thor cant move juggernaut??? hmmm... sounds kinda suspect.

Originally posted by olympian
Physically except for his durability they are on par.

how so???

Originally posted by olympian
About 8th day, lets see if i manage to find the whole story and ill either concead or give reason to my memory.

i got all day...

Originally posted by olympian
About the figth itself here, its another matter wich i already gave my opinion. Its either a tossup or Thor uses his more exotic powers for the win.

if thor cant beat juggernaut, how can he pull the win for his team???

Originally posted by olympian
Other way around its also possible just not the majority for me.

to each his own i guess...

Jug was enhanced I think, I can't say I remember him -getting- the enhancement, but I do remember Thor saying Jug was 100 times stronger than normal.

But I honestly don't remember anything about him getting an enhancment or looking different, all that was said about it was Thor's remark after Jug wailed on him.

thor over exaggerates alot of things though 😉, he exclaims that warrior maddness increases his abilities 10 fold. and if juggernauts power increased 100 fold, the first and only punch would have killed thor and splattered him over a good portion of the street.

http://www.comicboards.com/comicbattles/view.php?trd=050107202435&q=8th%20day%20Juggernaut

Thor remarks how Jugs its more powerful and he agrees.

Not to mention him saying that for the first time ever he feels the might to - crush- beings like Thor.

Theres also mention of a different mindset. A more " mindless" one.

Not to mention another Thor statement of how much his migh also increased in comparation with before. Dont mind with the number. All statements go to the same point. He was migther than before.

How does this sounds -regular- for you?

Warrior madness DOES increase his power 10x, Odin has said this.

Well, he may have been smashed if Jug was wanting to fight.

I have all four issues, I'll have to re-read it, but probably he got a boost so that he may fight in the war of the exemplars.

"Warrior madness DOES increase his power 10x, Odin has said this"

The one i recall was Thor saying in before the final assault against Onslaught. When he was trying to wear the " bear shirt ".

"Well, he may have been smashed if Jug was wanting to fight."

Juggernaut fought serious before against Thor. According to KillAll he didnt wanted to fight like that here tho. And still gave Thor a beating with nothing in result.

"I have all four issues, I'll have to re-read it, but probably he got a boost so that he may fight in the war of the exemplars."

This happened before Avengers #12 when they fought all exemplars, right?

Originally posted by olympian
Juggernaut fought serious before against Thor.

when??? where??? the only one he fought serious in, was thier second round. and that was cause thors persistance...

Originally posted by olympian
According to KillAll he didnt wanted to fight like that here tho. And still gave Thor a beating with nothing in result.

in issue 17 he wasnt wanting to fight thor. but he isnt above doing it... he will. same thing in 411, and 412, if he wanted he could have continued to fight thor, but chose to go after the new warriors instead...

No one can say to has stun the Juggernaut for a while, Thor has.

^^^^^^ also while juggernaut was depowered 😉 which still proves my point. juggernaut in this state was able to drop thor with a single punch, while thor with multiple blows couldnt put juggernaut down...

this is the only time thor has had the upper hand, and it wasnt even the whole fight... it was a 60 second gap where juggernauts power (most) was missing...

Originally posted by KillAll
^^^^^^ also while juggernaut was depowered 😉 which still proves my point. juggernaut in this state was able to drop thor with a single punch, while thor with multiple blows couldnt put juggernaut down...

this is the only time thor has had the upper hand, and it wasnt even the whole fight... it was a 60 second gap where juggernauts power (most) was missing...

Able to now lay hits on The Juggernaut and being a much better hand-to-hand combatant Thor rains blow after blow on The Juggernaut. Hitting him across the face and following up quickly with a vicious blow to his stomach rapidly,not allowing The Juggernaut any time to regain his bearing. Thor actually manages to daze him but The Juggernaut refuses to fall stating defeat is not in his vocabulary. Thor cocks back to throw what he feels will be the finishing blow but right before it connects The Juggernaut's forcefield comes back and deflects it. 60 seconds having expired which means Mjolnir had to return to Thor's hand. Thor's valiant effort goes for naught as The Juggernaut recovers completely from the barraging assault the instant his protective spell returns.
Seeing the success Thor had after he discerned the nature of his power Cain decided that since Mjolnir must be the source of Thor's power that if he got it he would be unbeatable as well as unstoppable. He also was pretty sure that Thor wouldn't give it up willingly so he decides to pick up a stone pillar and beat it out of him(gotta love Juggy's way of doing things). But Cain finds when he goes to lift Mjolnir that he can't even budge it. To him this didn't add up since he knew he was at the very least Thor's equal in strength and Thor lifts it easy. As Mjolnir returned to his hand Thor explains that Mjolnir can only be lifted by those of the right character.

Dropped?
Thor was still on his feet able to catch his hammer again my friend.
Facts are you are trying to make Thor's feat less impressive.
He used Mjolnir to rend Juggy's invulnerability slightly less effective, showing that under the right circumstances his strenght make the Juggernaut slow for a while.
He used his hammer, his weapon, so what's the matter?
Facts are Thor was able to STUN Juggernaut, no one has accomplished a feat like that.
Arguing that he used a trick of Mjolnir is like saying Superman use heat vision in some of his fight to keep at bay his enemies and recover.

"when??? where??? the only one he fought serious in, was thier second round. and that was cause thors persistance..."

I was talking about theyr previous fights as opossed to this one, where he could care less and was toying with him.

OK I don't get where you don't think Juggs didn't have a power up in 8th Day. Thor himself said he was at least 100 times stronger.
What happens is this Cyttorak feels it is time for Cain to do is purpose the Exemplar War. He takes Cain's free will away and in doing so also gave himn a boost of power.
Now the kicker Juggernaut could always access this power if Cain ever chooses to do so. You see Cain is content with the basic upgrade he has Classic Juggs power but with time and training he could easily learn to control his power. If learned to do this he could at base be around 8th Day all the time and get as strong as needed to put anyone down. It's his power tyhe mystic enchantment grants him invulnerability and great stregnth. Now this happens by him drawing power from Cyttorak. Normally he only draws the Classic Power level from him because it is what he is given and he never has bothered to try and harness that power.
8th Day Juggernaut is just outside control allowing Cain to do so. Basically this is why many people feel that Juggernaut is unlimited in strength as he should be able to call up as much power or more as needed from Cyttorak but he doesn't because Cain is a moron who doesn't care about training.

Originally posted by newjak86
Thor himself said he was at least 100 times stronger.

mistake 1) thor exaggerates things all the time. just like stating that he is stronger than hulk, or that warrior maddness increases his abilities 10 fold. it does not 😉. if juggernaut were 100 times stronger thor would have been paste.

Originally posted by newjak86
What happens is this Cyttorak feels it is time for Cain to do is purpose the Exemplar War. He takes Cain's free will away and in doing so also gave himn a boost of power.

mistake 2) cain marko still had control of the power. cyttorak didnt take anything away. cain marko heard the call however, and knew he had to be somewhere...

Originally posted by newjak86
Now the kicker Juggernaut could always access this power if Cain ever chooses to do so. You see Cain is content with the basic upgrade he has Classic Juggs power but with time and training he could easily learn to control his power.

8th day IS regular juggernaut. he wasnt any bigger/smaller he wasnt up or down in power. he was simply juggernaut, trying to be somewhere.

Originally posted by newjak86
If learned to do this he could at base be around 8th Day all the time and get as strong as needed to put anyone down.

general consesus around marvel is juggernaut can get as strong as need be. but generally he doesnt do that. 8th day isnt an example. "trion" juggernaut is juggernaut tapping into his power. or juggernaut that has long range energy projections that shoot from his hands.... thats juggernaut tapping into his powers. however 8th day, wasnt any different than his previous appearances save he knew he had a purpose.

Originally posted by K3VIL
Dropped?
Thor was still on his feet able to catch his hammer again my friend.

yes he was... but juggernaut still dropped thor, devoid of most of his power. please pull your issue out and i can give you a page number...

Originally posted by K3VIL
Facts are you are trying to make Thor's feat less impressive.

not at all... that was the ONLY time he even remotely had the upper hand in a fight w/ juggernaut. so in 5 issues, thor had HALF a fight to his name. cause he wasnt winning in the beginning 😉, and his efforts went for not, just like you copied and pasted. because as soon as juggernauts power returned he was healed.

Originally posted by K3VIL
He used Mjolnir to rend Juggy's invulnerability slightly less effective, showing that under the right circumstances his strenght make the Juggernaut slow for a while.
He used his hammer, his weapon, so what's the matter?

i didnt say anything was the matter... i said juggernaut has the upperhand previous to 8th day (thor 411 and 412) and in half the battle where thor turned the tide. had the battle gone on, thor would have still been ineffective against juggernaut because his power had returned.

K3VIL, let's not get ahead of ourselves here, ok?

Thor negated Jug's connection to Cyttorak, thus rendering Jug as powerful as he is right now, think about it.

Current Jugs is the exact same guy Thor made dizzy in that fight......not so impressive eh?

Classic Jugs usually wailed on Thor, Hulk, Colossus, Thing or any other brick out there with no repercussions other than the fact a team of telepaths nearly always appear and tag his ass and save the hero from a massive ass beating.

Originally posted by long pig
K3VIL, let's not get ahead of ourselves here, ok?

Thor negated Jug's connection to Cyttorak, thus rendering Jug as powerful as he is right now, think about it.

Current Jugs is the exact same guy Thor made dizzy in that fight......not so impressive eh?

Classic Jugs usually wailed on Thor, Hulk, Colossus, Thing or any other brick out there with no repercussions other than the fact a team of telepaths nearly always appear and tag his ass and save the hero from a massive ass beating.

I've never seen a "blood lust" Juggernaut, he's always kinda "meh" about every fight.

One thing I did like about 8th day was the portrayal of Jugs being not evil or good but more like an essential force of nature existing beyond both, even though he didn't know it.
The ying to a "superman jobber aura's" yang type thing.

Awesomeness.

Originally posted by long pig
I've never seen a "blood lust" Juggernaut, he's always kinda "meh" about every fight.

One thing I did like about 8th day was the portrayal of Jugs being not evil or good but more like an essential force of nature existing beyond both, even though he didn't know it.
The ying to a "superman jobber aura's" yang type thing.

Awesomeness.

Damn, re-reading 8th day sucks.

Cyttorak does NOT look like that, he isn't a brute or a hulking fighter, he doesn't talk like that or even act in that way.

Who wrote this tripe?

Example:

This IS Cyttorak--->

This guy who looks like Juggernaut is NOT Cyttorak----->

I know but since Onslaught is where most people get their info from they aren't aware that the Crimson Cosmos and Cyttorak are different.