The Torch doesnt unleash his powers on earthly level foes and certainly not heroines like Storm. But a good example was in the infinity war crossover F4 #370. Magus sends evil clones of the X-Men and dozens of other heroes to fight the F4. He is in an aerial battle and outnumbered. So he starts tagging them with nova flame. One of the First one's is Storm and she is killed instantly.
Originally posted by Tha C-MasterNo kidding.
Yes, that is the problem the FF are clearly more powerful, but are bound by CIS, thats the ONLY way they'd lose.
I dont believe a fight to the death was specified, thats the only reason this is more of a match.
Same ol discussion as last night, that I have little interest in delving into again,lol.
Originally posted by Wynndar
Torch has never fired Nova flame at Storm...It would kill her. Even his weakest flame would kill her. He grazed her on accident and she nearly died. THE TORCH BLEW A HOLE THROUGH THE EARTH AND INCREASED THE TEMPERATURE OF THE CORE CAUSING THE PLANET TO EXPAND AND U THINK A PRESSURE DOME WOULD PROTECT STORM FROM THAT?!!!??!?!?!?. Im an F4 fan I'll admit. But ur an utter fanboy. PF and JG's natural powers r two different things...saying they are connected by destiny is simply that writers vision. Anyone can use resoning to prove otherwise. F4 are Marvel's most effective team. The X-Men are evil mutant crime fighters and their comics are awesome. I do read X-Men, I grew up reading Uncanny X-Men and Wolverine was my favorite in 5th grade. I still buy all Uncanny and X-Men...but I avoid buying Astonishing X-Men and the other titles...I just read through them when Im in the store. So I'd be happy to debate with you if you could come up with some support from the comic books instead of saying how "OBVIOUS" it is that the X-Men would win even though they have a huge roster and routinely fight less powerful villains than the FF.
i never said a nove blast wouldn't kill her, I thought we were talking about just a regular blast which would have not affected her if she were in a pressure dome. once again, jean grey's ultimate mutation is the pf. if she were at her highest she would be the phoenix. that's the way it is. talk to galactic, he knows more about it than I do, but you know nothing of the subject. storm, polaris, emma frost, and psylock can beat the f4. it could go either way, but imo the x-women win more times than not. if it were bloodlust, then I believe that it would come down to who attacks first. and about killing galactus, I didn't mean actually kill him, I was just sayig that to show her power. but if you put a certain team of x-men against the f4, then the x-men could win.
why does everybody get so ****ing pissy when x-men versus fantastic four comes up?
inevitably, everyone mentions how pissed they are that the x-men got powerful. what the ****? how in the world can that piss you off? what about the x-men makes you think that it is a travesty whenever they increase in power? is there some sort of unwritten law that claremont broke when he decided that some mutants should grow in power? i admit, claremont blows, but mutants growing in power isn't any stupider than thing going from class 5 back in the day to class 100 now, or superman going from jumping to flying lightspeed.
rant...terminated.
astonishing x-men is a better comic than anything fantastic four has done for years.
and ps: colossus>thing
jean>IW
Originally posted by hoorayforpeepee
why does everybody get so ****ing pissy when x-men versus fantastic four comes up?inevitably, everyone mentions how pissed they are that the x-men got powerful. what the ****? how in the world can that piss you off? what about the x-men makes you think that it is a travesty whenever they increase in power? is there some sort of unwritten law that claremont broke when he decided that some mutants should grow in power? i admit, claremont blows, but mutants growing in power isn't any stupider than thing going from class 5 back in the day to class 100 now, or superman going from jumping to flying lightspeed.
rant...terminated.
and ps: colossus>thing
jean>IW
But in THIS fight... I don't know... I give it to the FF. But a better fight would be FF vs Colossus, Cyclops, Storm and Bishop.
(I am not including Xavier and Iceman, because the FF wouldn't stand a chance if they were included).
Originally posted by Trolt
Wow.... why are you spazzing about jean grey again ? I dont' recall her being in the emma frost/polaris/psyclocke/storm group. If you're gonna add people in the battle then at least change your first post too.
if you are refering to me, I never added jean grey in the battle. I was only responding to the fact that AC said that jean isn't as powerful as sue, but really jeans pinkey could beat sue easy. try and get your fact straight before replying.
inevitably, everyone mentions how pissed they are that the x-men got powerful. what the ****? how in the world can that piss you off? what about the x-men makes you think that it is a travesty whenever they increase in power? is there some sort of unwritten law that claremont broke when he decided that some mutants should grow in power? i admit, claremont blows, but mutants growing in power isn't any stupider than thing going from class 5 back in the day to class 100 now, or superman going from jumping to flying lightspeed
I agree 100% with you. mutants powers naturally grow, they never stay the same, but keep growing. when they finally do get a little stronger everybody complains. wtf is that? then they go and think the f4 are the best when they have gotten huge up-grades as well. i mean look at the thing from the beginning, and him now, same with sue. they are a ton more powerful, but everyone loves them. that is very hyporitical.
Originally posted by stormfront13A little stronger yeah that rights they only got a little stronger.
if you are refering to me, I never added jean grey in the battle. I was only responding to the fact that AC said that jean isn't as powerful as sue, but really jeans pinkey could beat sue easy. try and get your fact straight before replying.I agree 100% with you. mutants powers naturally grow, they never stay the same, but keep growing. when they finally do get a little stronger everybody complains. wtf is that? then they go and think the f4 are the best when they have gotten huge up-grades as well. i mean look at the thing from the beginning, and him now, same with sue. they are a ton more powerful, but everyone loves them. that is very hyporitical.
Originally posted by stormfront13Oh yeah Storm can now take over the world to some. Magneto is a god.
they haven't gotten 3 or 4 times more powerful, they are closer to their full potential.