I doubt Palpatine can defend it. It just doesn't make sense that he'd include drain resistance as part of his repertoire. Which is fairly obvious, considering that only people who'd use against him were his apprentices, those of whom's academia is solely dictated by him. I mean, Maul wasn't even allowed Force lightning for gods sake. Sure, if he'd existed in a more competitive environment, where a planet sized store-house of Sith knowledge was readily available to him, he'd probably beat Traya. But in his own time, the only type of contest he'd be winning is a political election. Whereas Traya wins a duel of Force powers.
Seeing as how his apprentices such as Dooku were discovering and studying their own holocrons, and underlings like Jerec had enough independence to search for ancient hidden nexuses, Sidious would be a fool not to have prepared defenses for a technique like drain so critical to sith history (Nihilus, etc). Of course, this is the same Sidious who had compiled an extensive library of "the Force in all its guises" following RotS, has been labeled the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history, and possessed a sufficient mastery of the Force to tip the balance towards the dark side just through meditation, conjure planet tearing storms, cause lightning storms just by the presence of his hologram, etc. The notion that a paranoid powerhouse like himself wouldn't be familiar with drain is ludicrous.
Not that this is even a question; the DE sourcebook literally says he's discovered all known powers.
From power scaling Traya to the Exile, then Nyriss, then Revan and then Vitiate, or by comparing their feats and accolades, Sidious incinerates Traya with a gesture.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Minor correction: the sourcebook says that it is believed the Emperor has mastered all the old powers, blah blah.He still takes this old hag to the curb pretty decisively, though.
It isn't much a stretch to believe some truth in that quote, perhaps not ALL, but a pretty significant amount.
Between his own studies, what he gathered, what his Dark Force Adepts gathered which included forgotten and taboo Force Powers, which includes Force Drain. That quote shouldn't be too far off.
Mm well I don't think Palpatine would STOMP Vader and Dooku but it would be moderate difficulty. Their fights would be like the one between a bloodlusted Maul and Sidious after Savage gets beat down. Maul did pretty well tbh but Palpy just wrecks with the force. Dooku would actually do better than Vader I reckon
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Mm well I don't think Palpatine would STOMP Vader and Dooku but it would be moderate difficulty. Their fights would be like the one between a bloodlusted Maul and Sidious after Savage gets beat down. Maul did pretty well tbh but Palpy just wrecks with the force. Dooku would actually do better than Vader I reckon
Why do you think either are in league with bloodlusted Maul?
Sidious vs. either apprentice would scratch oneshot territory.
1. Sidious vs. pre-vaapad Windu
2. Sidious vs. Maul and Savage at the same time (ragdolls from the start)
3. Orders of magnitude difference in feats
Plus Vader's weakness to lightning.
I could see peak Vader lasting some time but not putting up much of a challenge otherwise. Dooku dies instantly.
I seem to have angered the imperial guard. 😮💨
Now Elli, baby, I seem to remember warning you about premature ejaculation. That is, if you're going to use your best pre-canned material in one go, rather than playing with it conservatively, you're going to fall flat on your face and literally kissing the heel of my boots. So as a preemptive warning for our next love-making sesh, you should try mingling your premises here and there in your talk, and maybe even get me to admit some of them before the finale. Seriously. It can be done, given that you're subtle enough or sufficiently intelligent to pull it off. Of course, if you are going to blow your load too quickly, you'd better have some compact taking points.
That's a hint btw - try harder.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Seeing as how his apprentices such as Dooku were discovering and studying their own holocrons, and underlings like Jerec had enough independence to search for ancient hidden nexuses, Sidious would be a fool not to have prepared defenses for a technique like drain so critical to sith history (Nihilus, etc).
Have you ever heard a common saying, something that's been repeated by philosophers of old; and made popular by Immanuel Kant - that something may be correct theory, but it is of no use in practice. Now assuming your premise is watertight (which it isn't) ; it would mean generously giving Palaptine a drain-resistance feint that he's never made use of. So providing I'm kind enough to permit that, Palaptine has still yet to pass the test of practicality. Considering this is a person who's never successfully rebuked an opposing expression of Force, wether it be a Telekinectic attack on his home Nexus or two inexperienced Force wielders severing control over the "universe busting" Force storms, he probably won't fair to well against a drain-user in live action. Hell, this is a guy who couldn't predict his own apprentice wanting to throw him into a reactor shaft. I suppose all that non-lethal lightning used to torture Luke took up too much concentration. 😂
Not that Jerec changes Palpatine's modus operandi as Emperor before Sith warrior, given that a trainee Kyle Katarn could humble him.
Of course, this is the same Sidious who had compiled an extensive library of "the Force in all its guises" following RotS
Which in the grand scheme of things, Ellimist, is completely pathetic compared to the planet sized knowledge-bases of old. More Sith recordings were lost than Bane's lineage could hope to retrieve - and some more of that was lost within the line itself (Gravid). And again, your speculating at the powers Palpatine might use based on the amount of information he's gathered. Which is hardly logical.
has been labeled the most powerful Sith Lord in galactic history,
I've already delt with this, by admitting Traya would loose a general election in the politico sphere. You see, I'm not all that unreasonable towards Sheev. And if it helps, he's probably a greater master of evil than her also. 😂
and possessed a sufficient mastery of the Force to tip the balance towards the dark side just through meditation,
And you might want to explain how his meditation skills will help him in live combat, much less resist her drain powers. What? Is he going to tip the Force-scales even further towards the darkside, and in the middle of a fight? A feint that would have no genuine affect against someone versed with Dark powers - possibly even boosting her. 😂
conjure planet tearing storms, cause lightning storms just by the presence of his hologram, etc.
Already dealt with.
The notion that a paranoid powerhouse like himself wouldn't be familiar with drain is ludicrous.
Wrong. The notion that somewhat of a powerhouse, living in an era of schlubs will be showcasing anything more than the displayed abilties he's been given, is the ludicrous notion. It might as well be part of Ellimist's own fan-fiction where Palaptine doesn't loose the half of his fights and can actually hold a candle to his bygone predecessors.
Not that this is even a question; the DE sourcebook literally says he's discovered all known powers.
Already dealt with, and by none other than Giddybeans himself. Then one has to consider where the Dark Empire source-book stands among the continuity. As one of the oldest publications of it's kind (1993), the concept of 'Ancient Sith' wasn't even a sperm in it's daddies nutsack. One can logically infer that it doesn't apply to all (or any) continuity succeeding it. Given that there was no Sadow, no Ragnos, No Kun, No sith Sorcery or any other abilities from the long list of esoteric techniques that satiate the mythos. It can be discarded. Not that the text was stating a fact either with - "it is believed".
From power scaling Traya to the Exile, then Nyriss, then Revan and then Vitiate, or by comparing their feats and accolades, Sidious incinerates Traya with a gesture. [/B]
Given that you think Palaptine is a universal-destroying entity, i'm not surprised at the non-logic you'll stoop to when faced with a heretic such as I.
Traya still stomps him btw.
If you want me to lower myself to responding to your incoherent ramblings, you need to commit to actually continuing the debate for more than a single reply. You decided to conveniently bow out of our "is Sidious the GOAT" discussion with a snappy one-liner, and I have no assurances that you won't do the same here.
You're not such an intellectual powerhouse that people will let you Tempest-troll your way out of things, darling.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
If you want me to lower myself to responding to your incoherent ramblings, you need to commit to actually continuing the debate for more than a single reply. You decided to conveniently bow out of our "is Sidious the GOAT" discussion with a snappy one-liner, and I have no assurances that you won't do the same here.You're not such an intellectual powerhouse that people will let you Tempest-troll your way out of things, darling.
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Originally posted by The Ellimist
If you want me to lower myself to responding to your incoherent ramblings, you need to commit to actually continuing the debate for more than a single reply. You decided to conveniently bow out of our "is Sidious the GOAT" discussion with a snappy one-liner, and I have no assurances that you won't do the same here.You're not such an intellectual powerhouse that people will let you Tempest-troll your way out of things, darling.
Comparing me to Battlemaster/NowYouRemember/Diet-Nai is one of the greatest insults ever lobbed in my direction.
Originally posted by The_Tempest
Comparing me toBattlemaster/NowYouRemember/Diet-Nai is one of the greatest insults ever lobbed in my direction.
B-b-but m-Lord, I suggested that you were an intellectual powerhouse, and could get away with it!
Even my most blunt insults cannot help but contain praise towards Your Majesty, and this is no exeception. 😮
Originally posted by The Ellimist
B-b-but m-Lord, I suggested that you were an intellectual powerhouse, and could get away with it!Even my most blunt insults cannot help but contain praise towards Your Majesty, and this is no exeception. 😮
I don't even like the insinuation that Diet-Nai is attempting to mimic me.