Originally posted by Deus Ex
Well, when you've ruled the galaxy mostly unopposed for twenty years, you get lazy. Also, pride is a reoccuring theme in the series; Anakin's pride gets the better of him, as does Sidious', Tarkins', and many others. Those who don't have an excess of pride (Obi-Wan, Yoda) are the exceptions, not the norm.
I know, but still a good general would know never to underestimate your oponent, never to assume that they are going to fail, never to assume that they are weak. Never. Palpatine and his greatest generals are all fools for allowing something to easy to destroy to destroy them. Of course its logical that they did, but still a dead shame. And you would think they learned there lesson after ANH.
Originally posted by overlord
How could Palpatine have expected himself getting thrown into some shaft? If he hadn't died back then (long long time ago) he would have lead his army to victory. har har!
Does it matter? He shouldn't have had that shaft there in the first place stupid designers...
Anyways does it really matter? If he wouldn't have been thrown in there he would have died by the explosion of the Death Star. Palpatine lost because he's an idiot and he underestimates the rebellion time after time again.
Originally posted by Fishy
Does it matter? He shouldn't have had that shaft there in the first place stupid designers...Anyways does it really matter? If he wouldn't have been thrown in there he would have died by the explosion of the Death Star. Palpatine lost because he's an idiot and he underestimates the rebellion time after time again.
I don't think the death star 2 would have been destroyed if Palpatine was still alive. (I read some weird story in heir to the empire)
I think so yes, didn't the alarm start ringing right after Palps was thrown into the shaft.. I don't remember clearly. But even if he wasn't, Palpatine was to busy talking to Luke and watching the fight to do anything about the battle outside... What could he have possibly been doing that would have influenced the battle in such a way that the Rebellion would lose?
I know for sure, there is nothing that Palpatine could have done that would have influenced the battle to make the rebel alliance lose, unless he had a button that would close the huge hole that gave access to the insides of the Death Star. In which case I would wonder why he did not simply press it before. So in all Palpatine would have changed nothing to the battle even if would have been alive till the end.
Originally posted by overlord
Yeah, well if you don't know it for sure don't post it.. Because I don't know either.
Palpatine was influencing the battle with his mind through the force or something, and I don't think he was that stupid that he would have let himself get so vulnerable.
Just noticed your edit...
Well if he was that would have been battle meditation...
Now on battle meditation, its not an easy thing to do. According to Kotor it requires great focus and time. Now Palpatine was talking to Luke and he was looking at a battle between Vader and Son. He could not have focused on the war outside of his window. Just look at Bastila in the SF. She looks like she's meditating she is very busy with it. And this is from a natural talent who can do it better then anybody else in that time possibly ever.
So how could somebody like Palpatine do it while watching a battle while torturing Luke or while trying to convert him?
Not to mention that Battle Meditation would be a great power and if he wasn't around at the battle of Yavin with his battle meditation then he was even a bigger idiot then I thought. So obviously his battle meditation wasn't that great if he even had it.
I mean he didn't use it at the battle that could have ended the Rebellion because he wasn't even there.
And then in ROTJ he again didn't use it because he was busy with Luke. So if he even had it, which I doubt then it would not have been great and he clearly did not use it during the two most important battles and not during the most critical moment of the battle. Also explain how the rebel alliance keeps on standing and fighting when somebody is using Battle Meditation on them in a fight that they are destined to lose... Really, there is absolutely no evidence for Sidious having it, or it being powerful.
Originally posted by Fishy
Just noticed your edit...
And then in ROTJ he again didn't use it because he was busy with Luke. So if he even had it, which I doubt then it would not have been great and he clearly did not use it during the two most important battles and not during the most critical moment of the battle. Also explain how the rebel alliance keeps on standing and fighting when somebody is using Battle Meditation on them in a fight that they are destined to lose... Really, there is absolutely no evidence for Sidious having it, or it being powerful.
Yeah, I know, Joruus C' Boath was in a deep state of trance while doing so..
I think Palpatine underestimated Luke too much and never expected Vader to turn on him.
If his plans succeeded he probably could have countered the rebellions attack or else he wouldn't have put himself in such a vulnerable position, he did know the rebellion was going to attack. Of course this is all pure speculation, perhaps he really did underestimate them but I think differently.