Essential Metal Albums

Originally posted by RagnaViper
*cracks knuckles*

Opeth isn't what I would call essential. It's worth the listen, but it's an acquired taste.
Dillinger isn't metal but (despite the fact that I really hate them) it is worth a listen.
Neither SOAD, Tool, or Fantomas are metal but definitely worth a listen.

All the bands mentioned are more then easily capable of being classified as metal bands. Don't understand why you tried to become Mr. T by cracking knuckles then saying it. You're wrong.

Opeth not being essential is the only relatively subjective thing there, but given how they are doing something no other metal band is doing, I'd say they are.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
EDIT-
OK, SOAD can be considered metal but it's pretty arguable. Not bad, just not essential metal.

They were one of the first nu-metal bands. Mezmerize is an essential album if ever there was one.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
*Slayer's Reign in Blood is quality stuff, but check out some Kreator before you delve deeper.
Sepultra's good but their 80s stuff was the best.
Good call on Dream Theater.
Haunted and Mastodon aren't necessarily essential but they're good. Better for after you've checked out the three m's.

Nick, I'll leave your opinion alone for now, but I will give you a nod for Children of Bodom.

Can I ask why you're assuming you're in a position to give people "a nod" when you claim to "know" genres and yet just got everything completely wrong near enough?

-AC

Originally posted by RagnaViper

Dillinger isn't metal but (despite the fact that I really hate them) it is worth a listen.
Neither SOAD, Tool, or Fantomas are metal but definitely worth a listen.

This is why I asked you to define it.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
This is why I asked you to define it.

well considering all of them could be classed as metal, you should ask someone else to define it 😆

Guns N' Roses- Apeitite for destruction

Originally posted by bardock
Guns N' Roses- Apeitite for destruction

not sure thats metal, more classic/hard rock

Opeth is a very acquired taste. That's why I said they aren't essential.

Tool - Not metal. Some of the stuff on AEnima could be considered prog metal, but overall the band is a progressive rock band. Metal is an influence though.

Fantomas - About as metal as Mr. Bungle. They have the elements but they're much more of an experimental band.

System of a Down wasn't one of the first nu-metal bands. There are a few arguments that the band is nu-metal but the band has actually transcended the genre.

AC, why don't you prove me wrong instead of just saying I am? Don't waste my time with "OMIGAWD UR WRONG". I'd love to see you go to a site like metal archives and claim Tool or Fantomas is metal. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by nick1811
not sure thats metal, more classic/hard rock

Correct. Not necessarily classic hard rock, but hard rock nonetheless. It is a solid album though.

still a good album though

I'd definitely say that Opeth and SOAD belong on there. I'd also agree with Tool and Fantomas.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Tool - Not metal. Some of the stuff on AEnima could be considered prog metal, but overall the band is a progressive rock band. Metal is an influence though.

They're more of a metal band than they are prog rock. To claim Tool are a progressive rock band overall is just utterly ridiculous. They don't even class themselves as metal or prog rock while we're on the topic. They class themselves as hard rock, which they are, if anything. But they're most certainly more metal than prog.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Fantomas - About as metal as Mr. Bungle. They have the elements but they're much more of an experimental band.

The point was that they can be considered metal.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
System of a Down wasn't one of the first nu-metal bands. There are a few arguments that the band is nu-metal but the band has actually transcended the genre.

I don't think System are nu-metal now, but they were.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
AC, why don't you prove me wrong instead of just saying I am? Don't waste my time with "OMIGAWD UR WRONG". I'd love to see you go to a site like metal archives and claim Tool or Fantomas is metal. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about.

You don't though do you? Tool are prog rock, Fantomas are as metal as Mr. Bungle, Dillinger AREN'T metal.

You clearly think you know what you're talking about. The whole purpose of this thread was essential metal albums, correct? Those bands can be considered metal, easily, due to what constitutes a metal band. If you don't think they are, do as you were asked and as you're responsible for and define what the criteria is.

-AC

surely 'progressive' is just a prefix... much in the same way as 'emotional'
you surely can't just be a 'progressive' band - you'd have to be progressing in your genre of music?

couldn't that mean they could be progressive metal? 😕

Metallica - Ride The Lighting
Metallica - And Justice For All
Slayer - No Mercy
Slayer - Reign In Blood
Sepultura - Arise
Sepultura - Chaos AD
In Flames - The Jester Race
In Flames - Whoracle
Dark Tranqulity - Character
At The Gates - Slaughter Of The Soul
Morbid Angel - Blessed Are The Sick

+ everything Opeth have ever done. That's all you need.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
They're more of a metal band than they are prog rock. To claim Tool are a progressive rock band overall is just utterly ridiculous. They don't even class themselves as metal or prog rock while we're on the topic. They class themselves as hard rock, which they are, if anything. But they're most certainly more metal than prog.

The point was that they can be considered metal.

I don't think System are nu-metal now, but they were.

You don't though do you? Tool are prog rock, Fantomas are as metal as Mr. Bungle, Dillinger AREN'T metal.

You clearly think you know what you're talking about. The whole purpose of this thread was essential metal albums, correct? Those bands can be considered metal, easily, due to what constitutes a metal band. If you don't think they are, do as you were asked and as you're responsible for and define what the criteria is.

-AC

Saying Tool is more metal than prog is by far one of the most idiotic things I've heard today. They frequently use very unusual time signatures, have very long songs, and has a very inventive sound. All these are key with prog. In short, the band has hidden their major metal influences well. Before you try to continue arguing this, remember that Pink Floyd (one of the defining bands of the genre) are often argued to not be progressive in the same style Tool is argued.

System *was* nu-metal, but they weren't one of the first. Their first album was released in 1998, quite a bit of time after nu-metal was invented.

I actually did define metal in one of the first posts. If you have to, check Metal Archives. If it's not on there, you can be 99% sure they're not metal.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Wikipedia is your friend.

As said on the site, metal is defined by it's distorted guitars, powerful drums, and loud bass.

This is the problem though, you defined metal as that- all of which apply to Tool.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
This is the problem though, you defined metal as that- all of which apply to Tool.

Yes, they do apply to Tool. However, that's not all there is to metal nor did I say those three attributes are the only things that apply. They're only defining characteristics. Tool is MUCH more of a prog rock band.

Or maybe the old 'one genre' thing just isn't working.

Actually, if you look under progressive metal on Wikipedia, it says this: "Tool would be the most popular group in the genre."

Kinda killed your argument, huh?

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Saying Tool is more metal than prog is by far one of the most idiotic things I've heard today. They frequently use very unusual time signatures, have very long songs, and has a very inventive sound. All these are key with prog. In short, the band has hidden their major metal influences well. Before you try to continue arguing this, remember that Pink Floyd (one of the defining bands of the genre) are often argued to not be progressive in the same style Tool is argued.

I didn't say they don't have prog elements. I said they're more metal than prog. Opeth have HUGE songs, time changes, very inventive. They're not prog in my opinion. King Crimson to me, are prog and while they are Tool's biggest influence arguably, Tool sound NOTHING alike to them. They are much harder and much more driven.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
System *was* nu-metal, but they weren't one of the first. Their first album was released in 1998, quite a bit of time after nu-metal was invented.

One of the more forefrontal bands is what I meant.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
I actually did define metal in one of the first posts. If you have to, check Metal Archives. If it's not on there, you can be 99% sure they're not metal.

No, because that's just a list isn't it? Compiled by someone who thinks metal is something.

-AC

Originally posted by RagnaViper
System *was* nu-metal, but they weren't one of the first. Their first album was released in 1998, quite a bit of time after nu-metal was invented.

I'm not starting another sub-argument here, just giving my opinion. I personally don't class SOAD as a nu metal band. They may be part of that wave of new (not nu) metal, but, and this is according to a definition of nu metal you gave a week or so ago, they do not have a DJ, they do not use rap vocals (singing fast is not rapping), and they do have the occasional solo.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I didn't say they don't have prog elements. I said they're more metal than prog. Opeth have HUGE songs, time changes, very inventive. They're not prog in my opinion. King Crimson to me, are prog and while they are Tool's biggest influence arguably, Tool sound NOTHING alike to them. They are much harder and much more driven.

Both Opeth and Tool are prog bands. It really is that simple. You may not consider them prog bands, but they are. I do not feel like repeating a past conversation with you, so let's drop that right here. Believe what you want.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
No, because that's just a list isn't it? Compiled by someone who thinks metal is something.

-AC

Just a list? No. Look over the site for more than two seconds. Metal Archives is by far the best reference site for anything metal.