Essential Metal Albums

Originally posted by Deathblow
I'm not starting another sub-argument here, just giving my opinion. I personally don't class SOAD as a nu metal band. They may be part of that wave of new (not nu) metal, but, and this is according to a definition of nu metal you gave a week or so ago, they do not have a DJ, they do not use rap vocals (singing fast is not rapping), and they do have the occasional solo.

No worries about the sub-argument. The genre of System of a Down is one of the most debatable. I'll just make sure we have a few things clear. First of all, not all nu metal bands have DJs or use rapping. I've never seen Korn use either. Those are just fairly common elements.

They do have an occasional solo, but some nu metal bands have solos too, they're just normally very short. System of a Down does have solos once in a while, but they're relatively short.

Personally, I'd find the band to be metal though.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Both Opeth and Tool are prog bands. It really is that simple. You may not consider them prog bands, but they are. I do not feel like repeating a past conversation with you, so let's drop that right here. Believe what you want.

Just a list? No. Look over the site for more than two seconds. Metal Archives is by far the best reference site for anything metal.

Well, you were using Wikipedia to define metal, and it says on there that Tool IS metal.

And that site you linked is only the opinions of those who made it, it's not anything definitive.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Both Opeth and Tool are prog bands. It really is that simple. You may not consider them prog bands, but they are. I do not feel like repeating a past conversation with you, so let's drop that right here. Believe what you want.

No, they're actually not. I know they're not because I listen to prog bands, metal bands and rock bands. Tool most of all, know they aren't. I think they have a bit more authority over saying what their sound is. Typical escape route.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Just a list? No. Look over the site for more than two seconds. Metal Archives is by far the best reference site for anything metal.

Yes. But it's a list compiled by some metal fan going by his opinion isn't it?

Yes.

-AC

Originally posted by RagnaViper
No worries about the sub-argument. The genre of System of a Down is one of the most debatable. I'll just make sure we have a few things clear. First of all, not all nu metal bands have DJs or use rapping. I've never seen Korn use either. Those are just fairly common elements.

They do have an occasional solo, but some nu metal bands have solos too, they're just normally very short. System of a Down does have solos once in a while, but they're relatively short.

Personally, I'd find the band to be metal though.

Korn have quite a few songs with rapping in them, although most are guest performances so I guess arguably they're uncountable.

Oh yeah definitely metal, never thought of them as anything but metal...

Originally posted by Lana
Well, you were using Wikipedia to define metal, and it says on there that Tool IS metal.

And that site you linked is only the opinions of those who made it, it's not anything definitive.

It states that Tool's genre is under argument. It mentions them having metal aspects, but never says that they are metal.

Wikipedia for the most part is pretty accurate, but in truth they have a lot of issues in many areas music related. I remember mentioning that before somewhere. My apologies if it wasn't in this thread.

AC, I'm going to tell you again that Tool is not metal. This will be the last time. If you really don't believe me, listen to Lateralus again.

As for Metal Archives, you'd be hard pressed to find a more accurate site. There are some things that need tweaking, but it is still far more accurate than any other metal site. AC, the site is not based on a single metalhead's opinion but a very large and knowledgeable community.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
AC, I'm going to tell you again that Tool is not metal. This will be the last time. If you really don't believe me, listen to Lateralus again.

I'm going to tell you again that I don't think they're a metal band. Stop being such a presumptuous fool. In this debate, they are more metal than they are prog. 4 releases. Aenima is packed full of metal, Undertow also if you wanna be technical, and so is Opiate. So if you're so sure of your opinion that Lateralus is proof that they're prog and not metal, albeit wrongly, then fine. 3 other releases outnumber you.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
As for Metal Archives, you'd be hard pressed to find a more accurate site. There are some things that need tweaking, but it is still far more accurate than any other metal site. AC, the site is not based on a single metalhead's opinion but a very large and knowledgeable community.

Community of? Metal fans.

Stating their? Opinion.

So it's a list of? Compiled opinions.

-AC

Insults, AC? I'm hurt. Nothing hurts worse than being called a presumptuous fool by some dude on the internets. Oh, and a bit of advice on your debating. Using large words to make you look smarter only makes your argument harder for some people to grasp. Politicians play that game for a reason.
Sure, the previous albums had some metal to it, but currently the band is a progressive rock band with their most recent release being Lateralus.
Let me elaborate. Say a metal band went mallcore. They had four releases (each being metal albums) previous to their change. So when their first mallcore album comes out, would the band still be metal? No. Simple as that.

If you're gonna call that site on opinions, you'd be right. It is compiled opinions. What differentiates that from Wikipedia? I'll give you a hint. Nothing. It's user effected too. Besides, what are you stating? Your opinion. I'd rather listen to the opinion a community of highly knowledgeable metalheads than I would you. No offense of course.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Insults, AC? I'm hurt. Nothing hurts worse than being called a presumptuous fool by some dude on the internets. Oh, and a bit of advice on your debating. Using large words to make you look smarter only makes your argument harder for some people to grasp. Politicians play that game for a reason.

Good thing that I don't do that then isn't it?

Originally posted by RagnaViper
Sure, the previous albums had some metal to it, but currently the band is a progressive rock band with their most recent release being Lateralus.
Let me elaborate. Say a metal band went mallcore. They had four releases (each being metal albums) previous to their change. So when their first mallcore album comes out, would the band still be metal? No. Simple as that.

The previous albums had SOME metal to it? Not only am I now of the belief that you skim through these albums, but upon the use of the term "mallcore", I'm convinced you are one of these guys who NEEDS compulsively to put bands into genres so you can namedrop.

Tool are not a prog band, because other prog bands sound nothing like Tool, in the very least. A bulk of Lateralus is more metal and hard rock than anything to do with prog. Ticks and Leeches, The Grudge, Schism, Parabola.

Originally posted by RagnaViper
If you're gonna call that site on opinions, you'd be right. It is compiled opinions. What differentiates that from Wikipedia? I'll give you a hint. Nothing. It's user effected too. Besides, what are you stating? Your opinion. I'd rather listen to the opinion a community of highly knowledgeable metalheads than I would you. No offense of course.

Well the only difference between me and them is I don't live the metalhead lifestyle which is, of course, totally separate from the music. Which is what we're discussing. There's an extreme chance I know as much, if not more than those people on metal itself. If the fact that they hop under the metalhead umbrella and adhere to the stereotype somehow makes their opinion of an unrelated medium, more credible to you, then you have no credible opinion at all.

-AC

If we're talking Most important Albums then...

Slayer - Reign in Blood (Above all)
Iron Maiden - Number of the Beast
Metallica - Ride the Lightning
Black Sabbath - Paranoid
Pantera - Vulgar Display of Power
Slipknot - Subliminal Verses vol. 3

New Slipknot album is too artsy to be considered "essential".

Anycrap, amidst all these metal elitist girlfights, I'd suggest the vastly underrated All Shall Perish's "Hate. Malice. Revenge". It's another one of those "under the radar" metal bands that would blow you away from the first track. One of a very few select newcomer metal bands whos debut is better than 1/2 of the current genre's offerings.

Same goes for Chimaira's new album. I listened to it for 5 days straight. Nothing else.

much like Cines coments above, i cant recomend Soilworks - Stabbing the Drama highly enough. an impulse buy on my friends behalf led to me and him listening to it for 5 days when we were on holidays then all the way home. techinically superb, an experiance from begining to end

Hmmmm..........lemme think...........for me, my essential metal albums are:

Black Sabbath-Paranoid
Led Zeppelin-1st Album
Iron Maiden-Number of the Beast
Slayer-Reign in Blood & South of Heaven
Metallica-Master of Puppets & ...And Justice for All
Ozzy-Blizzard of Ozz
Pantera-Cowboys from Hell
Sepultura-Chaos A.D.
Deicide-Legion
Fear Factory-Demanufacture