Tulak Hord V.S. Sidious and Yoda

If it were a lightsaber fight I give it to tulak but if force powers, I give otherwise.

Tulak Hord is quoted by Kreia as being "The most powerful lightsabre duelist of the Sith".

IF, we take this literally then Yoda and Sidious "Would be as children playing with toys."

She was telling that to the Exile, who killed countless enemies and Sith Lords, and (if darkside) Jedi Masters.

I think Tulak would win.

Yeah Tulak should easily win, but what if it was a contest of force powers. 2 powerful force masters against an ultimately powersul sith lightsaber duelist.

We can presume that Hord knew some Sith magic, but apart from that we don't know anything about his force powers.

Didn't Tulak possess some skill in Sith Alchemy?

I know he studied it so he probably had some skill.

Where does it say he studied it, sources please.

We really need someone to make a novel about Hord.

I just found out through word of mouth, but I also think I read it on the web somewere *Goes to look it up.*

And yeah, someone should request that 😄

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He would make a good character, but we only have Kreia's speech for his background.

There it is

Well...I've written this just too often:

The statement about Tulak Hord being the best lightsaber duellist the Sith had is a statement from KotoR times being almost 4,000 years before the OT.

And the weak point in this statement is that it just applies if you compare Tulak Hord to pre KotoR time people and it's only a statement about Sith. So basically there is no way this statement can be applied on Yoda and Sidious since they both are far past KotoR times and Yoda is a Jedi.

We simply don't know how the much the swordfighting changed during the years. If we see that Juyo (form VII) is around in KotoR times but Mace Windu in the PT is the first who mastered it (with Vaapad) you can assume that Mace might be better than Tulak Hord. And now you have Yoda and Dooku who are on par or better than Mace.

Viewing it this way, Yoda alone might be too much for Tulak in a lightsaber fight, throwing in Sidious will most likely overpower Tulak.

It kinda makes sense but vaapad was based off of juyo, then he mastered it. But tulak could take them in a lightsaber duel, I think atleast. But if it were force powers, it might be different, and everyone is entitled to their own opinion. That's why I make these threads, to see what others think.

yoda and sids own because they were the best swordsman of there time

But the ancient sith and jedi were more powerful

Originally posted by Darth Nhilus
But the ancient sith and jedi were more powerful

Oh...really ? Do you have any proof for this ?

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
Well...I've written this just too often:

The statement about Tulak Hord being the best lightsaber duellist the Sith had is a statement from KotoR times being almost 4,000 years before the OT.

And the weak point in this statement is that it just applies if you compare Tulak Hord to pre KotoR time people and it's only a statement about Sith. So basically there is no way this statement can be applied on Yoda and Sidious since they both are far past KotoR times and Yoda is a Jedi.

We simply don't know how the much the swordfighting changed during the years. If we see that Juyo (form VII) is around in KotoR times but Mace Windu in the PT is the first who mastered it (with Vaapad) you can assume that Mace might be better than Tulak Hord. And now you have Yoda and Dooku who are on par or better than Mace.

Viewing it this way, Yoda alone might be too much for Tulak in a lightsaber fight, throwing in Sidious will most likely overpower Tulak.

In this same whim, would you view Mace as being superior to Revan? Whom Kreia's statement also applies?

Kreia said so hmph, j/k lol but really she did say so

Originally posted by Illustrious
In this same whim, would you view Mace as being superior to Revan? Whom Kreia's statement also applies?

I don't judge Revans swordfighting ability because I don't know anything about it. Since I already argued that Yoda might take Revan in a lightsaber duel and I have argued that Dooku / Mace might be able to take Malak I - at least - don't think that Revan is far superior to Yoda, Dooku or Mace when it comes to lightsaber duels.

Originally posted by Nai Fohl
I don't judge Revans [b]swordfighting ability because I don't know anything about it. Since I already argued that Yoda might take Revan in a lightsaber duel and I have argued that Dooku / Mace might be able to take Malak I - at least - don't think that Revan is far superior to Yoda, Dooku or Mace when it comes to lightsaber duels. [/B]

Well, the issue is that Kreia's statement to the effect of the Ancient Sith make it seem like the KotOR era individuals are children playing with toys would apply to Revan. So by this, we can assume, provided Kreia is a reputable source, that Tulak is superior to Revan in terms of swordfighting/lightsaber wielding. Now, if you want to assume Mace has more developed swordsmanship than Tulak, then logic dictates he would also be superior to Revan.

However, the primarily fallacy of this argument is that as lightsaber techniques get developed, that they are necessarily superior. You have to assume, that with the movement towards blasters and away from lightsabers (just as how Makashi is becoming less prolific) that just as much is lost as is gained.

It would effectively be trying to compare an army veteran to an Ancient Spartan in swordsmanship, the emphasis is not on waving a sharp, pointy gladius anymore.