Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
All.Skipping tracks sucks. Don't understand why you'd buy an album and skip bits.
-AC
I also think what he was getting at was...are there any albums that you like every singe track on it.
And don't tell me you like all the tracks on all the albums you like. Don't do it!
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Do you have any idea why file-sharing sucks? Let me run the facts by you junior:Artists pay for the recording, production and advertising of the record. They pay for the videos (depending if they have one or not). They pay the touring costs, then there's the merch crews, road crews, legal fees and such. So when you're downloading the albums, they're touring and LOSING money if you don't pay for their albums. Medium sized bands have to sell over half a million records to even begin to make money as a result of downloading. So by stealing their music, you're increasing the chances that bands who aren't actually very rich, won't be able to tour anymore, or record music. It's pathetic, unknowledgeable kids like you who have your heads stuck in the sand that think downloading is great. It's not.
So before you address me, know your shit first.
-AC
Allow me to go Rage style for a moment here.
While it is true that artists must pay for all the things you mentioned, it is also true that, oftentimes, the amount musicians earn off selling one record is pitiful. Artists must in many cases sell millions and millions of records to even pay off what they owe for recording, production, touring, etc. Meanwhile, the record company makes comparatively massive profits from the sales of the album, easily enough to pay off whatever money they loaned the artist for recording and production costs. However, in most cases the artist must still pay for all that themselves, despite the fact that the record company has long since gotten their money back.
So: when you buy a record, you are paying the artist him/her/themselves very very little. It is the record company that actually profits from record sales.
The music industry is pathetically unfriendly towards actual bands and artists, especially new ones. The reasoning of a musician supporting downloading and file-sharing is that they believe the music industry itself has no reason to exist and that by "stealing" (which is a crap term anyways imo) music you hurt the industry more than the musicians.
Personally, when it comes to an already successful artist, I hardly hesitate to download a song or two. The only time I would not is pre-release. I would be much less quick to download one from a new artist, on the other hand. I don't download entire albums, only a few songs from a band I've never heard, or rare songs. I don't like buying albums I have no idea about, because there are no record shops here where you can get a full refund on an opened CD.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
While it is true that artists must pay for all the things you mentioned, it is also true that, oftentimes, the amount musicians earn off selling one record is pitiful. Artists must in many cases sell millions and millions of records to even pay off what they owe for recording, production, touring, etc. Meanwhile, the record company makes comparatively massive profits from the sales of the album, easily enough to pay off whatever money they loaned the artist for recording and production costs. However, in most cases the artist must still pay for all that themselves, despite the fact that the record company has long since gotten their money back.So: when you buy a record, you are paying the artist him/her/themselves very very little. It is the record company that actually profits from record sales.
Well it's not just the record company that profits is it? No. Am I saying that you should pay to satisfy the record company am I? No.
Fact of the matter is, artists earn off their albums. They don't if you don't buy them. Maynard is a multi-millionaire off record sales and that's with Tool. So obviously you're not as on point as you claim with the whole "Companies profit" thing. Though it DOES depend on the company.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
The music industry is pathetically unfriendly towards actual bands and artists, especially new ones. The reasoning of a musician supporting downloading and file-sharing is that they believe the music industry itself has no reason to exist and that by "stealing" (which is a crap term anyways imo) music you hurt the industry more than the musicians.
That's just ignorance though, isn't it?
"I don't care if you don't pay me for my hard work, just so long as the people who own the label get hurt."
The music industry isn't half as pathetically unfriendly toward artists as those who steal (coz that's what it is) the music and then complain about bands breaking up, not touring or worse, complaining about an album they never even paid for.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
Personally, when it comes to an already successful artist, I hardly hesitate to download a song or two. The only time I would not is pre-release. I would be much less quick to download one from a new artist, on the other hand. I don't download entire albums, only a few songs from a band I've never heard, or rare songs. I don't like buying albums I have no idea about, because there are no record shops here where you can get a full refund on an opened CD.
Like I said posts ago. That's all fair enough. The financial side of things isn't subjective though.
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
And don't tell me you like all the tracks on all the albums you like. Don't do it!
I don't, but I don't skip them.
-AC
Originally posted by Morgoths_Wrath
you know you can goto amazon.com and preview the tracks before you buy the album. I do it all the time, and it really helps you get a feel for what the album sounds like. They're only clips from each track, so you can listen to the whole thing when you buy it. If you like what you hear, buy it. If not, don't.It works rather well for me, and plus I saved money by not buying albums I didn't think I'd like, albums I probably would have bought otherwise.
That is true for most albums on amazon, but unfortunately most of the ones i tend to buy (underground hip hop) dont have that feature. 🙁
"concept albums" like "Atom Heart Mother" and "Wish You Were Here" by Pink Floyd are made to be listened in it's entirey, otherwise you'd miss out an unforgettable sound experience, in which a simple story is being told in a very complex musical story telling...
also great: "Tommy" by The Who, one of the greatest "rock operas" or "Pictures At An Exhibition" excitingly interpreted by Emerson, Lake & Palmer...(oh god..do i sound like some o' these geeks from "Time Life"??)
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Well it's not just the record company that profits is it? No. Am I saying that you should pay to satisfy the record company am I? No.Fact of the matter is, artists earn off their albums. They don't if you don't buy them. Maynard is a multi-millionaire off record sales and that's with Tool. So obviously you're not as on point as you claim with the whole "Companies profit" thing. Though it DOES depend on the company.
This is true. Which is why I mentioned the thing about supporting new artists more than already successful ones. Maynard's a great guy and all, but frankly, he doesn't need any more of my money. It's fair to say I have mixed feelings about the buying/downloading music deal. On the one hand, I really believe the music "industry" does more harm than good. On the other hand, I must support the music industry if I am to support musicians...
That's just ignorance though, isn't it?"I don't care if you don't pay me for my hard work, just so long as the people who own the label get hurt."
Never said they were right, just explained what I believe to be their reasoning.
The music industry isn't half as pathetically unfriendly toward artists as those who steal (coz that's what it is) the music and then complain about bands breaking up, not touring or worse, complaining about an album they never even paid for.
The music industry (record companies) has very little to do with punishing people who download music illegally. If that's what you mean. I'm not sure it is. I hope you're not blaming the fact that good bands sometimes release shit records on people who download music.
The reason I have an aversion to calling downloading "stealing" is that I have a hard time imagining how you can steal an idea, which is part of what music is. It's not illegal to print out articles off the internet, nor is it illegal to download pictures, as long as you don't sell them or take credit for creating them. Nobody is going to get you in trouble if you listen to a song you don't own at a friend's house. The other part of music, is, of course, the business, and the fact that there is money involved with the creation of an album. So while I suppose it is theoretically stealing, there's another part of it that is immaterial and can't be stolen.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
This is true. Which is why I mentioned the thing about supporting new artists more than already successful ones. Maynard's a great guy and all, but frankly, he doesn't need any more of my money. It's fair to say I have mixed feelings about the buying/downloading music deal. On the one hand, I really believe the music "industry" does more harm than good. On the other hand, I must support the music industry if I am to support musicians...
Well the way I see it, if I don't pay for an artists work, the fat cats in the executive offices are still getting paid, right? The person/people I support, are not. So either way, the industry is gaining and me not helping them gain isn't making a blind bit of difference except by taking away from the artist.
I think the "industry" gets a worse rep than it deserves. Yes record companies, for the most part, are vultures and yes for them, it's about the money because their job is to sell and make money. They're not supposed to be pillars of moral integrity. However, those companies also push hundreds of paper-person pop acts out there. "Well that sucks though." Yes, but wait.
That does more GOOD than it does harm. Why? Because then all the idiots will listen to the idiots. I don't want Britney fans listening to Radiohead. So while I find it disappointing that people are sheep, if putting out 10 boy bands stops another million idiots getting into Tool. I'm a happy man. Also, the more shit that gets bought, the more companies earn and the less pressure they put on their truer artists to bring in the money.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
The music industry (record companies) has very little to do with punishing people who download music illegally. If that's what you mean. I'm not sure it is. I hope you're not blaming the fact that good bands sometimes release shit records on people who download music.
I'm saying that record companies aren't half as unfair as the downloaders who spend their time taking free albums and moaning if they don't like it.
As for the shit records thing. I don't believe in that. Perfect example, St. Anger. People either liked it or hated it. Alot of people that hated it still downloaded it and still listen to it, instead of avoiding it. If it's good enough to spend your time listening to, it's good enough to pay for. End of story. Saying "It's not good enough to buy" is just a cop out for lazy people.
Originally posted by Darth Revan
The reason I have an aversion to calling downloading "stealing" is that I have a hard time imagining how you can steal an idea, which is part of what music is. It's not illegal to print out articles off the internet, nor is it illegal to download pictures, as long as you don't sell them or take credit for creating them. Nobody is going to get you in trouble if you listen to a song you don't own at a friend's house. The other part of music, is, of course, the business, and the fact that there is money involved with the creation of an album. So while I suppose it is theoretically stealing, there's another part of it that is immaterial and can't be stolen.
Well if you wanna be overly technical, the warnings before a DVD/Video specify what is and isn't legal. Most of them cite any use OUT of your own home, any lending or borrowing, is punishable by legal action. I'm not sure if that's still the case. However, it's a big world and it's nigh impossible to keep tabs on who's lending things to who, who's watching movies at who's house. But that's technically law, last time I checked.
Secondly, it's stealing because by definition stealing is taking someone's property without their permission. If you steal music off the net, you're taking a band's work without their permission and without paying. Stealing isn't bound by what's tangible and what isn't.
Maynard himself said it best: "It's inevitable that technology is going that way but at the same time our music is not yours to give."
You could argue that with technology and human nature, shit happens, and I'd agree. However, you don't have to be a part of that purely because everyone else is.
-AC
D/L music from artists is wrong. K people? OK, problem solved.
Wow, the world is corrupt. Who would have thunk it? People steal everyday. People commit random crimes everyday. Does that make it better, no, but why get so worked up about it? It's cool, with me, that you feel as passionate about the situation as the artists themselves, but arguing with people on forums over and over does nothing but cause aggravation among them. Yes it's wrong, but when hasn't wrong things been done? Personally there's more important things in the world than whether or not Tool gets paid on every spin of their album. Does it suck that they do something they love but can't reap the full benefits? Most definitely. But is it surprising? No. People do illegal sh*t all the time. It's naive to think people will always do the right thing. Does that justify d/l music? Absolutely not. But hey, it's the world we live in. Arguing with people on message boards isn't going to make the situation better. Or even help the situation. If somebody wants to d/l an album they will. Obviously they don't care whether Tool get's enough money from them to buy whatever makes them happy. It's sad that people only think about themselves, and not the big picture but oh well. I'm not going to get worked up about something that #1 doesn't affect me and 2, wont change. Personally, I feel there's more important things to worry about.
If bands seriously are broke because they can't pay for studio time (ect ect) because of people d/l their music then maybe they should try to find another profession. Is that sad? Yeah. It's very rare to have a job you love and get paid for it. It sucks that they lose so much money. But that's the world we live in. People do illegal sh*t. People don't care about whether artists get paid or not. So lets just deal with the situation. People can whine and make their arguments forever, but at the end of the day things aren't going to change.
D/L music is wrong people. But if you feel that's what you want to do, more power to you. You have the choice to do as you please. If you want to sit and worry about whether Tool gets paid that's great. If you want to sit and steal their music, do your thing. I'm not here to judge you. I'm not here to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. But I do want to say arguing over and over and over about it on a forum isn't going to solve anything. Just waste peoples time.
Bottom line: It's wrong.
Bottom line: Do whatever you feel you must. You must live with the consequences, whatever they may be. Whether it's the RIAA or just your conscience. If people want to shake their fist at you because they don't like it, then so be it.
I respect morals, but most of all I respect choice. Even if I disagree with it. All this back and forth non-sense does nobody any good.
Well i don't view Albums as a whole unseperatanble thing....
so
I can listen to The Smiths - Louder than Bombs (or any other album of them) , Neil Young - Greatest Hits, The Who - The Ultimate Collection, Muse - All Albums all the way through.....of course often it depends of my mood as to what song I'd like to listen to....
Originally posted by Eraserhead
Wow, the world is corrupt. Who would have thunk it? People steal everyday. People commit random crimes everyday. Does that make it better, no, but why get so worked up about it? It's cool, with me, that you feel as passionate about the situation as the artists themselves, but arguing with people on forums over and over does nothing but cause aggravation among them.
I'm not arguing am I? I'm discussing. The only one with a problem was that idiot. You, Revan, BackFire...I've discussed it peacefully with you all and for the most part, respected your choices because there is reasoning behind it. Where did you get the arguing from?
Originally posted by Eraserhead
Yes it's wrong
As you said. Problem solved.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
but when hasn't wrong things been done? Personally there's more important things in the world than whether or not Tool gets paid on every spin of their album.
Right. But this is a music forum, not a "Problems of the World" forum. So we're discussing music. Your rationale: It's wrong but wrong things get done, so why worry about it? Is that your rationale?
Originally posted by Eraserhead
Does it suck that they do something they love but can't reap the full benefits? Most definitely. But is it surprising? No. People do illegal sh*t all the time. It's naive to think people will always do the right thing. Does that justify d/l music? Absolutely not. But hey, it's the world we live in. Arguing with people on message boards isn't going to make the situation better. Or even help the situation. If somebody wants to d/l an album they will. Obviously they don't care whether Tool get's enough money from them to buy whatever makes them happy. It's sad that people only think about themselves, and not the big picture but oh well.
Right. So...what is the point you are trying to make? You just agreed with pretty much everything I have said. There's really no need to dip into discussion other than music because this is a music forum. Am I aware there are bigger problems? Of course. Are they relevant here? No.
"Downloading is small compared to people dying over the world." Yeah, and? We're not in the GDF, we're in the music forum.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I'm not going to get worked up about something that #1 doesn't affect me and 2, wont change. Personally, I feel there's more important things to worry about.
Like what? People dying over in some other country? That doesn't affect you either. So you're being illogical. Either way, you're going off on a tangent by telling me that which A) I already know and B) Is irrelevant.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
If bands seriously are broke because they can't pay for studio time (ect ect) because of people d/l their music then maybe they should try to find another profession. Is that sad? Yeah. It's very rare to have a job you love and get paid for it. It sucks that they lose so much money. But that's the world we live in. People do illegal sh*t. People don't care about whether artists get paid or not. So lets just deal with the situation. People can whine and make their arguments forever, but at the end of the day things aren't going to change.
*Checks watch* Yeah. I'd reply but you've said that about 5 times already, each time it was as admirable but each time it was as pointless. No offence.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
D/L music is wrong people. But if you feel that's what you want to do, more power to you. You have the choice to do as you please. If you want to sit and worry about whether Tool gets paid that's great. If you want to sit and steal their music, do your thing. I'm not here to judge you. I'm not here to tell you what you should and shouldn't do. But I do want to say arguing over and over and over about it on a forum isn't going to solve anything. Just waste peoples time.
Let me worry about "wasting" my time, ok? What happened to being all for choice? If you don't wanna waste your time DISCUSSING on here, don't reply to me. You're being quite hypocritcal here man. Moreover, why are you encouraging illegality and immorality? "If you wanna steal, do your thing"? That's a bit crappy isn't it? "If you wanna rape, it's wrong, but cool. Go for it."
Originally posted by Eraserhead
Bottom line: It's wrong. Bottom line: Do whatever you feel you must. You must live with the consequences, whatever they may be. Whether it's the RIAA or just your conscience. If people want to shake their fist at you because they don't like it, then so be it.I respect morals, but most of all I respect choice. Even if I disagree with it. All this back and forth non-sense does nobody any good.
Why are you acting as if this is some war? It's a simple discussion. You are the only one taking it to heart. I take it seriously but you are actually taking it more serious than I am. Chill out.
You can't say you respect choice then say that we should stop this. I'm choosing to speak, whether you chose to reply or not is on you.
Either way, you shouldn't be encouraging people to do "whatever they want" because "whatever they want" might be illegal.
So to paraphrase you: I respect choice but I also respect morals and to many degrees, the law.
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not arguing am I? I'm discussing. The only one with a problem was that idiot. You, Revan, BackFire...I've discussed it peacefully with you all and for the most part, respected your choices because there is reasoning behind it. Where did you get the arguing from?
I was mainly talking about that guy. It is only a matter of time before somebody else joined in and made things even more annoying for people trying to post in a thread about albums they can listen to all the way through.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Your rationale: It's wrong but wrong things get done, so why worry about it? Is that your rationale?
I'm not saying that at all. You're saying that I'm saying that. I'm saying that you're so passionate about this subject in your discussions like it IS life or death. Tool loses some money. Get over it. It's wrong yes, but why argue with guys like Floo for? You seem to always know you're right, it just seems like a waste of time. Do as you please of course. I'm not telling you what to do anymore than you have to others.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Right. So...what is the point you are trying to make? You just agreed with pretty much everything I have said. There's really no need to dip into discussion other than music because this is a music forum. Am I aware there are bigger problems? Of course. Are they relevant here? No.
I meant that you hammer your point over and over. Why? We get what you're trying to say. That it's wrong. If you're so concerned about it, join a coalition or something.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"Downloading is small compared to people dying over the world." Yeah, and? We're not in the GDF, we're in the music forum.
I find it ironic that you're telling me about what I'm doing "wrong". That I'm in the wrong forum regarding my comments, when you're talking about file-sharing in a thread titled "Albums you can listen to all the way through". Sorry I can't be as perfect as you.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
*Checks watch* Yeah. I'd reply but you've said that about 5 times already, each time it was as admirable but each time it was as pointless. No offence.
None taken. You can cut my paragraphs into tiny sentences and criticize them all you want. Jerks have a choice just like anybody else.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Let me worry about "wasting" my time, ok?
I'm been hypocritical? Why don't you let others worry about how they choose to obtain music? How people feel upon listening to an album for the first time? Oh, that's right. because you're AC. I see. You seem to like to worry. I guess I can't.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"If you wanna steal, do your thing"? That's a bit crappy isn't it? "If you wanna rape, it's wrong, but cool. Go for it."
OK, I'm talking about Tool losing a few bucks, not people raping people. And yes I know what you're trying to get at. Both are morally wrong, but totally different. Trust me, Tool isn't being raped.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Why are you acting as if this is some war? It's a simple discussion. You are the only one taking it to heart. I take it seriously but you are actually taking it more serious than I am. Chill out.You can't say you respect choice then say that we should stop this. I'm choosing to speak, whether you chose to reply or not is on you.
I'm not acting like this is a war. It just seems pointless to argue like a child when you've already proven your point. I'm not telling you what to do dude. I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. You obviously can do what you please, I think it's just annoying for me and others to have to sift through your paragraphs and posts about file-sharing when they're just trying to talk about what albums they can listen to all the way through.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Either way, you shouldn't be encouraging people to do "whatever they want" because "whatever they want" might be illegal.
Uh, maybe I should do what I choose and not what you think I "shouldn't" do. I know you're an elitist, but c'mon. I can say what I like just as you can.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I was mainly talking about that guy. It is only a matter of time before somebody else joined in and made things even more annoying for people trying to post in a thread about albums they can listen to all the way through.
I handled it. As long as we keep on topic EVEN with those people.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I'm not saying that at all. You're saying that I'm saying that. I'm saying that you're so passionate about this subject in your discussions like it IS life or death. Tool loses some money. Get over it. It's wrong yes, but why argue with guys like Floo for? You seem to always know you're right, it just seems like a waste of time. Do as you please of course. I'm not telling you what to do anymore than you have to others.
I asked if it was your rationale. Please read it.
Why is how I choose to deal with people relevant? It's not.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I meant that you hammer your point over and over. Why? We get what you're trying to say. That it's wrong. If you're so concerned about it, join a coalition or something.
I don't hammer my point. I answer people. You wrote to me, I replied. Revan wrote to me, I replied. The reason I have the ability to is because I have answers to the questions.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I find it ironic that you're telling me about what I'm doing "wrong". That I'm in the wrong forum regarding my comments, when you're talking about file-sharing in a thread titled "Albums you can listen to all the way through". Sorry I can't be as perfect as you.
World issues aren't relevant. Downloading music is relevant to this forum. It's legally wrong to download, you've admitted this. So don't put it into quotation marks as if it's a dubious claim. It's morally wrong, to me and I can make a case as to why it is. A convincing one. I can't make you agree, and I respect that.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
None taken. You can cut my paragraphs into tiny sentences and criticize them all you want. Jerks have a choice just like anybody else.
Yep.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I'm been hypocritical? Why don't you let others worry about how they choose to obtain music? How people feel upon listening to an album for the first time? Oh, that's right. because you're AC. I see. You seem to like to worry. I guess I can't.
I stated my opinion that a first impression shouldn't be a download. I'm not worrying about it. If you think your first impression should be, then go for it. I was merely stating that I think a first impression should be how the artist intended. Not how Billy Bob Nobody on Limewire wants you to hear it. However, as I SAID BEFORE, if that's what you wanna do. Fine, as long as you buy the CD's you like then delete them after. Which you've said you do, right? Great.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
OK, I'm talking about Tool losing a few bucks, not people raping people. And yes I know what you're trying to get at. Both are morally wrong, but totally different. Trust me, Tool isn't being raped.
It's not that different of an analogy really, but that's a whole other forum. Point is, don't say to people that they can do whatever they want. Do they have that right? Yes. Is it right? No. So don't you think we shouldn't encourage it?
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I'm not acting like this is a war. It just seems pointless to argue like a child when you've already proven your point. I'm not telling you what to do dude. I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. You obviously can do what you please, I think it's just annoying for me and others to have to sift through your paragraphs and posts about file-sharing when they're just trying to talk about what albums they can listen to all the way through.
A) I'm not arguing nor am I arguing like a child. Childish remark in itself.
B) Annoying? Then don't do it. You don't have to. Remember choice?
Originally posted by Eraserhead
Uh, maybe I should do what I choose and not what you think I "shouldn't" do. I know you're an elitist, but c'mon. I can say what I like just as you can.
Do you not think it's a bit...I dunno, illogical? You know, to encourage people to do something we both agreed is wrong?
-AC
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
World issues aren't relevant. Downloading music is relevant to this forum. It's legally wrong to download, you've admitted this. So don't put it into quotation marks as if it's a dubious claim. It's morally wrong, to me and I can make a case as to why it is. A convincing one. I can't make you agree, and I respect that.
You seem to have missed the point. Illegal file-sharing is irrelevant to this topic. The topic is albums you can listen to without skipping a track. What does everything you've been talking about regarding file-sharing have to do with that?
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I stated my opinion that a first impression shouldn't be a download. I'm not worrying about it. If you think your first impression should be, then go for it. I was merely stating that I think a first impression should be how the artist intended. Not how Billy Bob Nobody on Limewire wants you to hear it. However, as I SAID BEFORE, if that's what you wanna do. Fine, as long as you buy the CD's you like then delete them after. Which you've said you do, right? Great.
When people d/l abums (where I d/l anyway) they d/l the whole album. Tracklisting and all. How does that affect how the artist intended it to be heard? Maybe they intended on you actually buying the album, but the experience of hearing the album in its entirety is exactly the way the artist intended. As long as the tracks are in order, I don't see how it's not like borrowing the disc from a friend and popping it in.
Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
It's not that different of an analogy really, but that's a whole other forum. Point is, don't say to people that they can do whatever they want. Do they have that right? Yes. Is it right? No. So don't you think we shouldn't encourage it?
Do you not think it's a bit...I dunno, illogical? You know, to encourage people to do something we both agreed is wrong?
When did I encourage it? Let me make my point clearer for you. I was basically saying (speaking to the people who took part in your "discussion"😉 don't do something just because AC says you should. You always have to be right about everything, so it might be best if they just ignore you and do what they feel is right for them. Instead of sitting here arguing back and forth. Having discussions with you is sometimes pointless because of the size of your ego and the fact you always have to be right. And know everything. At least you come off that way.
I respect you though. You have your beliefs and back them up. Sometimes it seems like you're on your high horse, telling others why they're wrong. But that's who you choose to be and I'm cool with that.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
You seem to have missed the point. Illegal file-sharing is irrelevant to this topic. The topic is albums you can listen to without skipping a track. What does everything you've been talking about regarding file-sharing have to do with that?
My very first post in this thread was regarding the topic. It obviously went off the specified topic but it still has a relevant thread running through it.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
When people d/l abums (where I d/l anyway) they d/l the whole album. Tracklisting and all. How does that affect how the artist intended it to be heard? Maybe they intended on you actually buying the album, but the experience of hearing the album in its entirety is exactly the way the artist intended. As long as the tracks are in order, I don't see how it's not like borrowing the disc from a friend and popping it in.
An artist makes an album to be released on a certain day in a certain way. If I sit here and download an album on release, it's NOT the same as me going to get that CD and enjoying it in my home. The sound quality MAY very well be the same or CLOSE to, but that's not the point is it? Quality of sound isn't the issue here.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
When did I encourage it? Let me make my point clearer for you. I was basically saying (speaking to the people who took part in your "discussion"😉 don't do something just because AC says you should. You always have to be right about everything, so it might be best if they just ignore you and do what they feel is right for them. Instead of sitting here arguing back and forth. Having discussions with you is sometimes pointless because of the size of your ego and the fact you always have to be right. And know everything. At least you come off that way.
I don't always have to be right, I just happen to be. Difference is large there.
Second, you encouraged them to do what they feel is right. Which might be partaking in an illegal act and continuing to. So you did encourage it whether it was your intent or not. You acknowledge it's wrong, as do I. So instead of saying "If you like the album, buy the album. Downloading solely, is wrong", you say "Do what you want." They have the right to act on it, but is the act right? No.
Originally posted by Eraserhead
I respect you though. You have your beliefs and back them up. Sometimes it seems like you're on your high horse, telling others why they're wrong. But that's who you choose to be and I'm cool with that.
Well if they are actually wrong, and I'm right, and I also happen to be in a discussion with them, yes I'm gonna tell them they are wrong.
People call me arrogant and egotistical but the biggest egos are those who can't accept that not everything comes down to subjective viewpoints.
-AC