Albums You Can Listen To...

Originally posted by Darth Revan

The reason I have an aversion to calling downloading "stealing" is that I have a hard time imagining how you can steal an idea, which is part of what music is.

It's intellectual property.

Originally posted by Darth Revan

It's not illegal to print out articles off the internet, nor is it illegal to download pictures, as long as you don't sell them or take credit for creating them.

It can be if the author asserts their copyright.

Originally posted by Darth Revan

So while I suppose it is theoretically stealing, there's another part of it that is immaterial and can't be stolen.

It is theft: theft of intellectual property. You can steal intangible items.

Anyway...isn't this another topic?

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Anyway...isn't this another topic?

Quite so Mister Von Doom

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
My very first post in this thread was regarding the topic. It obviously went off the specified topic but it still has a relevant thread running through it.

No, sorry. You cluttered this thread waaaaay too much. It just keeps on going and going... with nothing to do with the actual topic. It's like you sit at your computer dying for a response just so you can reply and show people that you're right.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
An artist makes an album to be released on a certain day in a certain way. If I sit here and download an album on release, it's NOT the same as me going to get that CD and enjoying it in my home. The sound quality MAY very well be the same or CLOSE to, but that's not the point is it? Quality of sound isn't the issue here.

Are you serious? So just because you don't leave your house. Buy the album from a store. Go home and listen to it, you're not experiencing the album the same way as just d/l it, burning it, and popping it in your CD player? The whole experience of enjoying music is listening to it in its entirity. As long as you can hear each track the way it's supposed to sound, you're experiencing the music the way the artist intended it to be heard.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Second, you encouraged them to do what they feel is right. Which might be partaking in an illegal act and continuing to. So you did encourage it whether it was your intent or not. You acknowledge it's wrong, as do I. So instead of saying "If you like the album, buy the album. Downloading solely, is wrong", you say "Do what you want." They have the right to act on it, but is the act right? No.

Unlike you, I'm not here to judge people. Yes I encouraged them to do what they feel is right. What if what they feel is right is actually not to d/l the album? So by your logic I'm actually helping artists. I'm telling people to do what they feel is right, and what they might feel is right is not d/l any albums. Go me.

Bottom line is people make their own decisions. I'm sure if somebody told you to jump off a bridge you would, but just because one is encouraged to do so doesn't mean they have to do it. And if they do, it is their choice 100%. And again, I'm telling them to do what they feel is right, not what I think they should do. So i'm not encouraging them to do right or wrong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I don't always have to be right, I just happen to be. Difference is large there.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
People call me arrogant and egotistical

This pretty much sums it all up.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Folks you are so off-topic it's not even funny......why not open a Piracy Thread or maybe there is one already...but you could really stop it now.

Are you saying that this doesn't belong in this thread? Why? AC says that as long as it's a music forum anything goes... as long as it's about music.

And we all know AC just happens to always be right so keep your mouth closed.

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
Anyway...isn't this another topic?

Yes, it is. Which is why I found it funny that AC was telling me I was in the wrong forum. I guess somebody hasn't mentioned to him that he's in the wrong thread.

I mean don't get me wrong... He's wrong but not as wrong as I am. No wait, he's right. No wait he's wrong. I don't know. I'm so confused because he called me a hypocrite.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
No, sorry. You cluttered this thread waaaaay too much. It just keeps on going and going... with nothing to do with the actual topic. It's like you sit at your computer dying for a response just so you can reply and show people that you're right.

Takes two, or more, to tango my friend. I can't take it off topic alone. It's been to do with music, and albums. Therefore it's still somehow relevant.

Now YOU are showing that you are sitting there choosing to do something which you earlier claimed was annoying, and not doing too well. So you're trying to make it about me personally. Lame and hypocritical, especially seeing as you are still replying.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Are you serious? So just because you don't leave your house. Buy the album from a store. Go home and listen to it, you're not experiencing the album the same way as just d/l it, burning it, and popping it in your CD player? The whole experience of enjoying music is listening to it in its entirity. As long as you can hear each track the way it's supposed to sound, you're experiencing the music the way the artist intended it to be [b]heard.[/b]

"As long as you can hear each track the way it's supposed to sound, you're experiencing the music the way the artist intended it to be heard."

Right, that's how you see it. Not me. The artist didn't intend it to be heard on the net did he/she/they?

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Unlike you, I'm not here to judge people. Yes I encouraged them to do what they feel is right. What if what they feel is right is actually not to d/l the album? So by your logic I'm actually helping artists. I'm telling people to do what they feel is right, and what they might feel is right is not d/l any albums. Go me.

Yes, that's one half of it. The other half being that it might be something you and I have BOTH agreed is wrong. So why actually encourage them to do something we BOTH KNOW is wrong?

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Bottom line is people make their own decisions. I'm sure if somebody told you to jump off a bridge you would, but just because one is encouraged to do so doesn't mean they have to do it. And if they do, it is their choice [b]100%. And again, I'm telling them to do what they feel is right, not what I think they should do. So i'm not encouraging them to do right or wrong. [/B]

You're encouraging them to do anything, which for those viewing at home, consists of right and wrong.

You keep reverting back to "It's their choice". Would you tell a rapist not to rape? I would. Because we both know it's wrong, we both think he shouldn't do it. Like downloading, but clearly you're just trying to be awkward.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
This pretty much sums it all up.

How immature, quote a part of my post and then say it sums it up. It doesn't, you shortened it and edited it to your own purpose. I expected more.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Are you saying that this doesn't belong in this thread? Why? AC says that as long as it's a music forum anything goes... as long as it's about music.

And we all know AC just happens to always be right so keep your mouth closed.

You said I'm always right there. I never. You did.

And don't reply with "You think you do". Because I don't. If someone wants to come and prove me wrong, let them. Hasn't happened yet.

Stop making claims about me and then claiming that I believe that.

You posted to me first in this thread, not vice versa. So don't blame me for replying to you because A) You're doing the same and B) You kicked it off.

Now you can reply to me if you so wish, but bearing in mind you will be going against everything you said.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Takes two, or more, to tango my friend. I can't take it off topic alone. It's been to do with music, and albums. Therefore it's still somehow relevant.

Now YOU are showing that you are sitting there choosing to do something which you earlier claimed was annoying, and not doing too well. So you're trying to make it about me personally. Lame and hypocritical, especially seeing as you are still replying.

I didn't say you did it by yourself. Did I? But go back and count who has posted the most times in this thread. Gee, I wonder who it may be...

My point was this thread is already ruined. So me continuing to post wont change that. I personally find it lame that you yourself can be hypocritical.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
"As long as you can hear each track the way it's supposed to sound, you're experiencing the music the way the artist intended it to be heard."

Right, that's how you see it. Not me. The artist didn't intend it to be heard on the net did he/she/they?.

I said listening to it on a CD in my CD player. Not the net.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Yes, that's one half of it. The other half being that it might be something you and I have BOTH agreed is wrong. So why actually encourage them to do something we BOTH KNOW is wrong?

You're encouraging them to do anything, which for those viewing at home, consists of right and wrong.

You keep reverting back to "It's their choice". Would you tell a rapist not to rape? I would. Because we both know it's wrong, be both think he shouldn't do it. Like downloading, but clearly you're just trying to be awkward.

Who am I, God?? What does it matter what I suggest? They don't have to listen to me. So why do I get the blame? I don't have to sit here and force my personal belief on others. So what if I did think it was wrong? Does that mean they have to too? I'm telling them they are their own person. Do what they feel is right to them which may or may not be right to me. I know you love to force your opinions on others. But personally I could care less if they d/l or not. Doesn't affect me one bit. They're not killing anybody. Raping anybody. Yes they may be stealing, and if it means that much to you why don't you run to the RIAA and rat everybody out.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
How immature, quote a part of my post and then say it sums it up. It doesn't, you shortened it and edited it to your own purpose. I expected more.

How immature that you say it's immature when all you do is edit and shorten people's posts. I wouldn't expect anything less though. I'm wrong and you're right. I forgot we're in AC's universe.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You said I'm always right there. I never. You did.

I said you come off that way. And I'd bet the farm I'm not the only one who thinks so. Coincidence? Of course because you're never wrong.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
If someone wants to come and prove me wrong, let them. Hasn't happened yet.

A) You post at a forum mainly for pre/teenagers 8-16. So it's not like you argue with geniuses everyday.

B) Get over yourself

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You posted to me first in this thread, not vice versa. So don't blame me for replying to you because A) You're doing the same and B) You kicked it off.

YOU STARTED IT!

How immature. I'm not blaming you for replying to my posts. Reply till this thread is closed. It really doesn't bother me like you claim it does. Post your heart out. This thread was done two pages ago.

ill tell you 1 album i can't listen to without skippin a track... Ignoto by yourcodenameis:milo - all but 1 of the songs on the album are great

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Takes two, or more, to tango my friend. I can't take it off topic alone. It's been to do with music, and albums. Therefore it's still somehow relevant.

Wow you've posted in here almost 30 times. You sure love dancing.

And you're way off topic dude. Give it up. Oh sh*t I forgot, you have a streak to protect. Nevermind then, you're right.

You're the Cal Ripkin Jr of KMC. 👆

Originally posted by Victor Von Doom
It's intellectual property.

It can be if the author asserts their copyright.

It is theft: theft of intellectual property. You can steal intangible items.

Anyway...isn't this another topic?

Agreed, you can steal intellectual property. Also, in many cases, the person who created it sets the terms of the copyright, which is why there are artists that don't mind people downloading their music.

But I'll go with Revan's example of downloading/stealing art, since it's what I'm most familiar with. I am an artist, and I sell my art through a website. I am the sole copyright holder of any and everything I create, and I have set terms for people viewing, using, and buying my art. If someone wants to save my art to their computer, that's fine. If someone wants to print out their own copy, well, I don't like it as I really SHOULD be getting paid for that but it's not something that I can track. If someone takes and alters my art in anyway without first getting express permission from me, THAT is when I'm going to get nasty and crack down when I find out about it. Why? Because they're taking something that I spent hours on, changing a few things, and passing it off as their own. That is stealing. And you want to know who gets hurt when someone does that? Not the site I post my art on and sell through, not the other people who view my work, but me.

Originally posted by Lana
Because they're taking something that I spent hours on, changing a few things, and passing it off as their own. That is stealing.

Funnily enough there is also an intellectual property offence of 'passing off', but it applies to trademark style rights.

Although I'm now dragging us so far away from the point, we might have to get a cab back.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
I didn't say you did it by yourself. Did I? But go back and count who has posted the most times in this thread. Gee, I wonder who it may be...

My point was this thread is already ruined. So me continuing to post wont change that. I personally find it lame that you yourself can be hypocritical.

I'm not actually being hypocritical though am I? No. Saying I am doesn't mean I am.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
I said listening to it on a CD in my CD player. Not the net.

Well then try reading my posts, I've already spoke about that.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Who am I, God?? What does it matter what I suggest? They don't have to listen to me. So why do I get the blame? I don't have to sit here and force my personal belief on others. So what if I did think it was wrong? Does that mean they have to too? I'm telling them they are their own person. Do what they feel is right to [b]them which may or may not be right to me. I know you love to force your opinions on others. But personally I could care less if they d/l or not. Doesn't affect me one bit. They're not killing anybody. Raping anybody. Yes they may be stealing, and if it means that much to you why don't you run to the RIAA and rat everybody out.[/b]

I'm not telling you to FORCE it on others, try READING my posts properly before throwing a tantrum. I put my opinion out there very strongly because I believe in it. I could care less who agrees or not, so that's another one of your "Need to get more to back me up" points.

You say "yes they may be stealing but..." No but. Do you believe that what we have discussed (the downloading thing) is wrong? (You've said you do, countless times, but answer the question so we can end this thread.)

Originally posted by Eraserhead
How immature that you say it's immature when all you do is edit and shorten people's posts. I wouldn't expect anything less though. I'm wrong and you're right. I forgot we're in AC's universe.

I can't edit anyone's posts, first of all. Nor do I shorten. I break up quotes so that the person I'm replying to doesn't get confused. It's user friendly 🙂.

This is what I don't get. Why are you constantly claiming how superior I think I am? I don't. You clearly do. If you don't, stop saying it.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
I said you come off that way. And I'd bet the farm I'm not the only one who thinks so. Coincidence? Of course because you're never wrong.

Who says I'm never wrong? It's not me. As I said in the previous post that you clearly ignored. So you tell me. Because I don't think I'm incapable of being proven wrong, I'm just saying it hasn't happened yet. So if you could reply without twisting it up or being childish, would be grateful

Originally posted by Eraserhead
[b]A) You post at a forum mainly for pre/teenagers 8-16. So it's not like you argue with geniuses everyday.[/b]

Yes. So?

Originally posted by Eraserhead
[b]B) Get over yourself[/b]

You get over me first. Coz it's clearly you with the monumental view of how great I am. Because I don't share that view.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
YOU STARTED IT!

How immature. I'm not blaming you for replying to my posts. Reply till this thread is closed. It really doesn't bother me like you claim it does. Post your heart out. This thread was done two pages ago.

Stop backing yourself up by being childish. I was pointing out the fact that you actually did take it upon yourself to reply to me. Nobody to blame but yourself, sadly.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
And you're way off topic dude. Give it up. Oh sh*t I forgot, you have a streak to protect. Nevermind then, you're right.

You're as off topic as me, but.....can you show me where you're getting evidence for the following:

A) I think I'm always right.

B) I am protecting a streak.

C) I think I'm great.

Not what YOU gather, I want factual proof. Undeniable proof, that I believe those things (despite me saying I don't, and you saying I do). Go on.

The thing is, I've actually tried countless times to end this saga and you keep reply with more philosophical "I don't care but posting anyway" nonsense.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not actually being hypocritical though am I? No. Saying I am doesn't mean I am.

I meant you were by telling me I was out of place and in the wrong forum when you yourself are out of place in the wrong thread. Just because this is a music forum doesn't mean you can go into any thread and talking about music related topics regardless of what the post is actually about.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I'm not telling you to FORCE it on others, try READING my posts properly before throwing a tantrum. I put my opinion out there very strongly because I believe in it. I could care less who agrees or not, so that's another one of your "Need to get more to back me up" points.

You say "yes they may be stealing but..." No but. Do you believe that what we have discussed (the downloading thing) is wrong? (You've said you do, countless times, but answer the question so we can end this thread.

Let me and try and make this clear. My opinion is I don't care how you choose to listen to your music. Do what you like. I don't care how you choose to listen to Tool. Have a blast doing what you do.

Now let me "end this thread once and for all". When I made that rant I was just trying to just stop the whole argument/"discussion". Like, "lets all agree with AC so we can make him happy and not have to read his 50 posts about something that's totally off topic". I agree that d/l music and making a profit off of an album is wrong. I don't consider d/l itself to be wrong because I do it and still support the artist. I can't speak about what anybody does because I don't know exactly how they d/l. Give me a specific person and his actions and I'll give you my opinion on it. As a whole, I think d/l helps a lot of artists that I listen to.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
I can't edit anyone's posts, first of all. Nor do I shorten. I break up quotes so that the person I'm replying to doesn't get confused. It's user friendly 🙂..)

See what I mean? You talk down to me like I'm some child. That's not only acting superior, but also being an assh*le. There's your proof right there. I'm not your little brother, so don't talk down to me like I am.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Who says I'm never wrong? It's not me. As I said in the previous post that you clearly ignored. So you tell me. Because I don't think I'm incapable of being proven wrong, I'm just saying it hasn't happened yet. So if you could reply without twisting it up or being childish, would be grateful

You clearly act as if you're superior to individuals as seen in this thread alone. Just look at the way you talk down to people.

Do you think people call you arrogant and egotistical for nothing?? Yea, it's because they're wrong and obviously don't know you're right 🙄

I don't have to spell it out and present evidence to you like this is some trial. "Why must you act like we're in court".

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
You get over me first. Coz it's clearly you with the monumental view of how great I am. Because I don't share that view.

You're obviously so cocky you don't even notice how you really are. Every discussion has been how you are right about this, or how I'm wrong about that. As well as with everybody else. I don't need to present anything. There's 5 pages of it.

You love to argue or have "discussions". Every thread I see you in you respond in a matter of minutes. Do you really just sit there and wait to prove people wrong? To show people what you know and what they don't? Do you have a life outside of the internet? Personally this whole situation has made me want to go outside and do something. What loser posts in a thread over 30 times trying to discuss how they feel about a off topic? I'm done having this "discussion with you. You're right, as always, I'm to blame. Instead of being the adult and realizing that all you do is prove how I'm wrong and I should have just dropped the discussion. But honestly my pride wants me to stay here and keep on with this discussion. But I actually have to go to work in two hours and can't stay on my computer all day ranting about anti-piracy. Maybe you can take a cue and get some sunshine too.

I know you're sitting there, clicking refresh every 5 seconds looking for my response. Well here it is. And I'm choosing to leave this discussion. Mostly because I actually have a job and can't sit on my computer all day. So have fun on your 100th post. The real world is proud of ya.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
I meant you were by telling me I was out of place and in the wrong forum when you yourself are out of place in the wrong thread. Just because this is a music forum doesn't mean you can go into any thread and talking about music related topics regardless of what the post is actually about.

I'm discussing music in a music forum. You were discussing the state of the planet...in the music forum. Am I off topic? Yes. Am I in the right forum? Yes. Are you? Not for what you were saying.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Let me and try and make this clear. My opinion is I don't care how you choose to listen to your music. Do what you like. I don't care how you choose to listen to Tool. Have a blast doing what you do.

Now let me "end this thread once and for all". When I made that rant I was just trying to just stop the whole argument/"discussion". Like, "lets all agree with AC so we can make him happy and not have to read his 50 posts about something that's totally off topic". I agree that d/l music and making a profit off of an album [b]is wrong. I don't consider d/l itself to be wrong because I do it and still support the artist.[/b]

A) It's not an arguement. I'm not arguing with anyone.

B) Don't be so presumptuous as to assume everyone agrees with me for the sake. We both know that's not true. You weren't posting essays just to stop me replying, because you agree with me. So let's not lie.

Either way, you answered my question. It's wrong. So let's not encourage it. That's all that need be said.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
I can't speak about what anybody does because I don't know exactly how they d/l. Give me a specific person and his actions and I'll give you my opinion on it. As a whole, I think d/l helps a lot of artists that [b]I listen to.[/b]

Coz you end up paying, which is good and I've been saying that for ages. You also agree that SOLELY downloading is wrong. We agree, but you're indirectly justifying that which we disagree with.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
See what I mean? You talk down to me like I'm some child. That's not only acting superior, but also being an assh*le. There's your proof right there. I'm not your little brother, so don't talk down to me like I am.

What the shit? I used a smiley. Where are you getting this from? You accused me of editing people's posts, I showed you I'm not. Then I used a smiley. Wherein did you deduce that I talk to you like a kid? That's you subconsciously imagining it, because that's not what I do.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
You clearly act as if you're superior to individuals as seen in this thread alone. Just look at the way you talk down to people.

What, like the above part? Where you directly blew it out of proportion? I'm not liking the distinct lack of factual proof here. I don't think I'm superior, so don't claim I think I am. Don't do all that "You clearly...", crap. Says who? Not me.

The funny part is, everyone claims I'm all about me, yet you are the ones who make the debates ABOUT me. I don't love myself half as much as people here love to hype me up.

You say you don't need proof that I say all that, but you do. Because I don't take too kindly to people telling me that I think and say things that I do not. Don't make claims that aren't true.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
You're obviously so cocky you don't even notice how you really are. Every discussion has been how you are right about this, or how I'm wrong about that. As well as with everybody else. I don't need to present anything. There's 5 pages of it.

Well, on this subject, I am right and I've given FACTUAL (not opinionated) evidence as to why. In the subjective (opinion) areas, I've said I respect your views because I know I can't force them on you. So you're just making the bullcrap up.

Stop sitting there saying all this "You don't notice how you really are." Yes I do, you don't. You notice what you wanna notice. Don't talk shit you can't back up, especially when it's about me and not my posts.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
You love to argue or have "discussions". Every thread I see you in you respond in a matter of minutes. Do you really just sit there and wait to prove people wrong? To show people what you know and what they don't? Do you have a life outside of the internet? Personally this whole situation has made me want to go outside and do something. What loser posts in a thread over 30 times trying to discuss how they feel about a [b]off topic?[/b]

Well well well, he's finally cracked. I love to discuss......here. Because it's a messageboard. When I'm on the net, I reply in minutes because I'm fast at it and I browse KMC whenever I'm on here. You've been sitting there replying as long as I have dude, so don't call the kettle black here.

If there's one thing I hate, it's when people try shit, get turned away and then start lobbing pathetic insults everywhere. I've realised that you're not as smart, calm and collected as once though. Only until you get pissed that the person isn't backing down. Then you start calling people losers. Sad. Once again, hypocritical. "Don't talk to me like a kid", but it's ok to throw blind and personal insults. You disappoint me.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
I'm done having this "discussion with you. You're right, as always, I'm to blame. Instead of being the adult and realizing that all you do is prove how I'm wrong and I should have just dropped the discussion. But honestly my pride wants me to stay here and keep on with this discussion. But I actually have to go to work in two hours and can't stay on my computer all day ranting about anti-piracy. Maybe you can take a cue and get some sunshine too.

I already have, there's a time difference you know.

See what I mean? You talk shit you don't mean. "I'm not bothered by this". Yeah yeah. You can't stand the fact that since you came to this thread and posted to me, you've been getting countered FAIRLY wherever you disagreed, despite me being totally respectful to your points of view and even giving you references. You've spent your time claiming you don't care when we both know that you know you've got nothing. So you threw the first insult.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
I know you're sitting there, clicking refresh every 5 seconds looking for my response. Well here it is. And I'm choosing to leave this discussion. Mostly because I actually have a job and can't sit on my computer all day. So have fun on your 100th post. The real world is proud of ya.

And I'm proud of you for going from respectable poster to Ya Krunk'd Floo version 2 as soon as things aren't going your way.

Good luck with the insult throwing. It's got you far. Aka nowhere. Once again you've proven NOTHING other than you have a short fuse and can't take being wrong, despite accusing me of it.

-AC

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Do you think people call you arrogant and egotistical for nothing?? Yea, it's because they're wrong and obviously don't know you're right 🙄

Again you're right and I'm wrong. I can't stand that I didn't "win". I don't know how I'm going to live with myself.

Do you have a job man? Or do you just live in your parents basement? I personally have to finish getting ready and leave for mine. maybe when I'm off we can finish this discussion. Well, no. Because I lost. Right?

Damn Floo, so I'm with you now. Even though AC acted the same way you did when you guys were arguing. But you know, when he does it it's in response. So that means it's ok to act childish. We just have to admit that AC is superior in every way 🙄

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Again you're right and I'm wrong. I can't stand that I didn't "win". I don't know how I'm going to live with myself.

Do you have a job man? Or do you just live in your parents basement? I personally have to finish getting ready and leave for mine. maybe when I'm off we can finish this discussion. Well, no. Because I lost. Right?

😆

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Again you're right and I'm wrong. I can't stand that I didn't "win". I don't know how I'm going to live with myself.

Your words chief.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Do you have a job man? Or do you just live in your parents basement? I personally have to finish getting ready and leave for mine. maybe when I'm off we can finish this discussion. Well, no. Because I lost. Right?

Hahaha, do you have any idea HOW many internet kids use that retarded "basement" retort?

I don't live in the States, so I don't go by the same time as you. Secondly, allow me to answer your question with a question: Why, if you have a job to go to, are you so inable to stop replying? You've been "leaving" for 3 posts now. If you are trying to imply that I'm the loser, you're not doing a good job at all. How funny would it be if you were late for work because of me? "I'm leaving but my pride wants to stay and continue". Despite you having NOTHING to say, because we agree on downloading. So you're continuing for no reason. I'm not chaining you down, or keeping you here. You wanna leave, leave

You didn't "lose" anything but the respect I had for you not being an idiot. It wasn't a win or lose debate. You just decided to become Ghandi half way through and go on pointless philosophical musings.

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Damn Floo, so I'm with you now. Even though AC acted the same way you did when you guys were arguing. But you know, when he does it it's in response. So that means it's ok to act childish. We just have to admit that AC is superior in every way 🙄

So very typical. "I'm with you now".

Why are you CONTINUALLY calling me superior? Do you think I am? Genuine question. Do you think I'm superior? We've established that I don't, yet you keep saying it. So simple question: Do you think I'm superior? Yes or no? One answer will suffice. If no, then why say it? If Yes, then there you go. It's not my fault.

So there, question for you to answer, because I'm VERY curious.

Also, if you and I agree on the downloading issue, we can agree that this has been continued by your grudge against me. Hope you're proud. Either way, this has gone on long enough. I have proven all I need to prove, on AND off topic. So being that this is no longer musical by any means. This is my last length reply to you.

If you wish to reply to this post here, quote it and PM me. Because I don't think, regardless of your grudge, that either of us want to clutter up the forum more than we already have.

I'll be looking forward to your PM.

-AC

Originally posted by Eraserhead
Do you think people call you arrogant and egotistical for nothing??

Again you cut my paragraphs to answer only what you want... but what's your response to this? Why do you think people call you arrogant and egotistical? Why is it that I'm not the only one to think you're an egomaniac? It's not just me who thinks so, obviously. And what's your response to these people? That they have the ego. Ah, of course. You can't be the arrogant jerk because you're AP and they're the ones who obviously have the ego. You're so perfect and we're all so imperfect. You seem to be right about your character assessments, but we are not. Sounds like an egomaniac to me. Wake up. People don't think you're an egotistical jerk for nothing. There's some truth to that whether you like it or not.

Just look at you. "I'm not as smart as you thought I was". Sorry to disappoint you AP. Next time I'll try to be whatever you want me to be. Since you don't seem to get sarcasm let me tell you straight out. Don't insult my intelligence just because you like being an elitist assh*le. I don't have to live up to your "standards". Get a life...

Which leads me back to my next question. Do you have a job? Or do you still live off of your parents like a bum? To answer your question, no I wasn't late to work. Just like your mum and daddy, I have bills to pay. So don't flatter yourself by thinking I would be late on account of you.

This isn't the only thread you've hijacked and ruined with your egotistical rants. Correct? You love to argue. No, wait... you don't argue right? You just discuss. For some reason I thought arguing meant to give reasons for or against something. Something you clearly do over and over. Argue.

Don't play stupid with me. Of course you're not going to come out and say "I'm superior to you". Your actions and words do. You speak to people like you have all the answers. You're very arrogant and nobody can ever show you up. because you have this HUGE ego to stroke.

So say what you want about me. You're just an egotistical jerk. Feel free to give me my character assessment because i know you will. And why PM you when I know the first thing you're gonna do is check to see if I replied. Just so you can tell me how "idiotic" and "wrong I am" about a particular sentence. That's all the life you have. Showing people up in forums. I know you're dying for a reply. You can't get enough of yourself.

Just another thread hijacked by an egomaniac. Nothing new as we all can see.

How ironic? I didn't cut your paragraphs to answer only what I wanted. I never cut parts OUT of your post. I did it so you would know what parts I replied to. I'm not unaware that people think I'm a jerk. I just don't care, because "haters" will hate won't they?

Answer this: Why do you keep calling ME perfect and yourself imperfect? Why do YOU keep calling ME superior? Why? Answer me this. Don't answer with "Coz you think you are." I don't.

All you ever do is post about how perfect, superior and supreme I am, then tell me that I think that, despite me saying I don't. If I don't and you don't, why say it? Simple question.

You've degenerated from someone who's opinion I respected, into an insulting fool because things didn't go your way.

First of all, no I don't live off my parents, way to make an ass of yourself. Secondly, what do my PARENTS have to do with this? And you call ME off-topic? For real? Thirdly, why do you keep saying how off topic I am, then go and make things personal? I was off topic but at least it was music. What are you gaining from turning the debate to me? I'm not discussing me any further. If YOU wanna discuss ME, then PM me. Like I requested. I've got no problems going at it with you, just don't see why we have to clutter up the thread with stuff that is completely non-musical and I suggested you PM me.

Did I or did I not say, if you wanna continue this personally, about me and about you, PM me? Yes I did. So why are YOU the one bringing personal issues into this thread? I took it off topic with you and others, but it was about music. You aren't doing that, so you have the burden to save the thread. I said we should stop....HERE. You chose to continue.

I argue my point. I don't argue for the sake of disliking people. You're all more or less screen names to me.

Lets look at the fact that I don't believe I'm superior and I've kept saying so. You are the one claiming I'm perfect. You are. If you think I am, I'm flattered. I don't.

Thread hijacked? I told you to PM me if you wanted to take it personal, save cluttering up the thread more than we have.

Did you do so, or did you reply IN the thread? You know what you did? You replied in the thread.

Here's some food for thought, you walking ignorami, if I have such a huuuuge ego, why am I suggesting we take PERSONAL stuff AWAY from the thread...? Moreover, why are you continually posting here complaining about the thread being ruined when you are now ruining it worse? Because you aren't interested in saving the thread, you post here instead of PMing me because you want everyone to see what you're saying. Makes you wonder who the egomaniac really is.

I've not cut ANYTHING out of your posts, NONE of it is edited, ALL of it is a spanking. So if you have anything more personal to say to me and you DON'T care about showing off like a baby, PM me and we'll deal with it. Post again and prove me right. I'm not asking you to stop, just stop here. Like I said, PM me, or prove me right. I'm gonna send you a PM, inviting you to continue this. You will either ignore it, or you won't. Either way, if you ignore IT, I'll ignore you. Dust.

Oh, and it's AC. I really hope this doesn't get in our way of being friends.

-AC