Originally posted by jrodslam
Says who? The most poweful blast ive seen Quasar do was only 100 megatons.GL has destroyed a planet. Taken supernavas, contained them. Mind controled the planet, matter manipulation etc.
What makes you think the Q-band is more powerful?
well just picture an energy filled dam a couple times the size of this universe, and sticking a tap into it...then picture that faucet opening and all the energy being dumped out all at once with no known limit... you're a fool if you think that Quasar couldnt destroy a planet(just speaking generally, not adressing you personally like that) like i said the bands are a less complicated version of the rings(not in power but explainantion wise...big big difference)
the same way the guardians open up the minds of the Gls its the same way Eon did to Quasar or any future hiers to the mantle...just like the Gls what he can do is limited only to his imagination....but the stark difference is its not will power based..he has an empathic rapport with the bands and they just do what he thinks....like an extension of his consciousness. i know that almost sounds the same as will power but what that means is, his constructs will remain until he...well...i guess wills it away,
unlike the Gls where it takes all their focus, and if they're rendered unconcious or lose concentration their constructs go away..the same way that a few ppl who has attacked kyle always use some sort of sonic device to scramble his thoughts, and mush his constructs..to this day he still hasnt a defense against that..you see thats the sort of thing that wouldnt happen to Quasar, even if he proves susepctible to attack his constrcuts will remain even if he gets knocked out, and another thing using the bands doesnt put any stress on him, he can go as long as he pleases,unlike the gls who have to take a break after a while due to all that mental fatigue. im more than willing to admit that the rings may have more fancy bells and whistles. it even seems like they have intelliegence of thier own taliking back to the gls answering questions and all sorts of crazy shit..but again i stress less complicated is the way to go
Originally posted by manjaro
well just picture an energy filled dam a couple times the size of this universe, and sticking a tap into it...then picture that faucet opening and all the energy being dumped out all at once with no known limit... you're a fool if you think that Quasar couldnt destroy a planet(just speaking generally, not adressing you personally like that) like i said the bands are a less complicated version of the rings(not in power but explainantion wise...big big difference)
What are you reffering to here manjaro? When did Quasar do something like that? And did he do it alone?
Originally posted by manjaro
the same way the guardians open up the minds of the Gls its the same way Eon did to Quasar or any future hiers to the mantle...just like the Gls what he can do is limited only to his imagination....but the stark difference is its not will power based..he has an empathic rapport with the bands and they just do what he thinks....like an extension of his consciousness. i know that almost sounds the same as will power but what that means is, his constructs will remain until he...well...i guess wills it away,
Well actually the Guardians didnt open the minds of the GL's like Eon did Quasar. All GL's cant do the same things. Some have feats that others dont. All the Guardians do is give you the ring, sector and tell you about the weaknesses. then they send you on your way lol. Bastards.
True Quasars constructs can remain even if hes knocked out, however he can suffer from mental fatigue as well as a GL. So he cant technically go as long as he pleases. That can also impair his judgement in making constructs. Wheter it be density or whatever.
GL's are also able to control the ring from a distance. Although they would have to be in the area. Is Vaughn able to control the Bands if they are separated?
Originally posted by jrodslam
True Quasars constructs can remain even if hes knocked out, however he can suffer from mental fatigue as well as a GL. So he cant technically go as long as he pleases. That can also impair his judgement in making constructs. Wheter it be density or whatever.
He can suffer mental fatigue, but I would definately say he's less suceptible to it then the GL's. In addition..the bands have various failsafes to protect him against mind attacks. In addition, Quasar also has some sort of empathic bond with the bands. There was one instance where the elder named "Possessor" attempted to take over his body. He succeeded in part, however, due to the bond Quasar has with them, he was unable to gain full control.
GL's are also able to control the ring from a distance. Although they would have to be in the area. Is Vaughn able to control the Bands if they are separated?
He can't be seperated from the bands, unless he dies, or if by some happen stance, his arms/wrists ar severed from his body.(This actually happened in the Maelstrom saga, Maelstrom blew Quasar's wrists off to seperate him from the bands power)
Originally posted by K3VIL
Cause Quasar must store Ego into his body.
Quasar once drained the IG.
When did Quasar drain the IG? The comic i have he tried and wasnt able to because hes not able to drain anything more powerful than he. Quasar #26 i believe.
He DId however absorb the gem from Adam Warlock, but then got blasted away by it in the process.
Originally posted by jrodslam
When did Quasar drain the IG? The comic i have he tried and wasnt able to because hes not able to drain anything more powerful than he. Quasar #26 i believe.He DId however absorb the gem from Adam Warlock, but then got blasted away by it in the process.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
He can't be seperated from the bands, unless he dies, or if by some happen stance, his arms/wrists ar severed from his body.(This actually happened in the Maelstrom saga, Maelstrom blew Quasar's wrists off to seperate him from the bands power)
Same for a GL. Except the ring wont allow the bearers hand to get severed. GL#3 while fighting Manhunter.
Originally posted by K3VIL
He wasn't able just cause like a GL he couldn't overcome something like the IG if he has doubts so his willpower starts to struggle.
If he was focused enough and believing he could do it he'll accomplished the task.
If's dont count K3VIL. Im sorry. You cant say that he did, when he tried and failed. Absorbed Gem? Yea. Absorbed IG? No.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Same for a GL. Except the ring wont allow the bearers hand to get severed. GL#3 while fighting Manhunter.
Well Q-bands actually didn't allow it to happen. Normally, Quasar's quantum aura protects him from all types of physical/energy based attacks. At the time Maelstrom took Q's limbs off he had IG level power, that's why he was able to sever Quasar from the bands.
Originally posted by K3VIL
He wasn't able just cause like a GL he couldn't overcome something like the IG if he has doubts so his willpower starts to struggle.
If he was focused enough and believing he could do it he'll accomplished the task.
I don't remember him ever being able to siphon the power off of the IG..he tried but couldn't get the right frequency to drain any power when he attempted to.
The only other time he attempted to drain power from an infinity gem was when he was facing Warlock during "Infinity War." Pretty much owned Warlock..siphoned of sh*tloads of energy from the soul gem leaving Warlock completely helpless...
Originally posted by whobdamandog
I don't remember him ever being able to siphon the power off of the IG..he tried but couldn't get the right frequency to drain any power when he attempted to.
Quasar wasnt able to tap into any of the energy unless Thanos was projecting some of it.
Originally posted by whobdamandog
The only other time he attempted to drain power from an infinity gem was when he was facing Warlock during "Infinity War." Pretty much owned Warlock..siphoned of sh*tloads of energy from the soul gem leaving Warlock completely helpless...
Quasar comic with the Infinity Was crossover? He was draining the power from the soul gem, but not all of it. And it did not leave Warlock helpless at all. After the explosion(which Quasar couldnt absorb because it was outside the Q-Bands power), both were still standing. Warlock then shot him with the same gem (while knocking out Archangel) and k.o'd Quasar.
Originally posted by jrodslam
What are you reffering to here manjaro? When did Quasar do something like that? And did he do it alone?
he never did anything like that, just stating where his energies come from and its overall potentital. it is devised from an etheral plane without a calculable size. essentially another universe. where as the gls eneries derive from the pooled life force energies of the guardians, thats trnsmitted thru the power battery
<<He can suffer mental fatigue, but I would definately say he's less suceptible to it then the GL's.>>
why would you say this? kyle held in a supernova. that's pretty good mental durability.
<<Quasar comic with the Infinity Was crossover? He was draining the power from the soul gem, but not all of it. And it did not leave Warlock helpless at all. After the explosion(which Quasar couldnt absorb because it was outside the Q-Bands power), both were still standing. Warlock then shot him with the same gem (while knocking out Archangel) and k.o'd Quasar.>>
he didn't siphon ANY power from the gem. he was siphoning warlock's OWN cosmic energy. by weakening warlock, he weakened warlock's ability to keep the gem in check so it blasted quasar. and as jrod said, it was OUTSIDE the q-bands. warlock could have stolen quasar's soul had he wished to do so. q certainly didn't OWN anyone. it was a draw at best, with aw holding back his greatest weapon.
Originally posted by manjaroWhich leaves me wondering.the same way the guardians open up the minds of the Gls its the same way Eon did to Quasar or any future hiers to the mantle...just like the Gls what he can do is limited only to his imagination....but the stark difference is its not will power based..he has an empathic rapport with the bands and they just do what he thinks....like an extension of his consciousness. i know that almost sounds the same as will power but what that means is, his constructs will remain until he...well...i guess wills it away,
Kyles ship he contructed is flying him and Batman around. But at the same time he is using his ring to try and contain Superman.
Basically he is doing two things at once. So Kyle must be able to will his constructs away also.
Originally posted by jrodslam
Quasar comic with the Infinity Was crossover? He was draining the power from the soul gem, but not all of it. And it did not leave Warlock helpless at all. After the explosion(which Quasar couldnt absorb because it was outside the Q-Bands power), both were still standing. Warlock then shot him with the same gem (while knocking out Archangel) and k.o'd Quasar.
The issue number was 38, and you are correct it was an IW crossover. If someone has that issue please scan that page so I can verify this.
As far as I remember...he began to drain Warlock...and immediately after he did this..he had him completely immobolized, and very much helpless. The only time he was blasted back was when he attempted to muck with the soul gem, Which as you stated, caused some sort of explosion.
Originally posted by leonidas
why would you say this? kyle held in a supernova. that's pretty good mental durability.
Because the gem apparently has failsafes in it to protect him against scientific based mind attacks. I don't believe that the rings have this ability. Correct me if I'm wrong however.
he didn't siphon ANY power from the gem. he was siphoning warlock's OWN cosmic energy. by weakening warlock, he weakened warlock's ability to keep the gem in check so it blasted quasar. and as jrod said, it was OUTSIDE the q-bands. warlock could have stolen quasar's soul had he wished to do so. q certainly didn't OWN anyone. it was a draw at best, with aw holding back his greatest weapon.
Actually now that I recall I believe you are correct...I remember quite frankly though that he did have Warlock in quite a compromising situation. The guy could barely move after the energy was siphoned off. As you stated, the gem then went off and fired at Quasar after he attempted to tamper with it. Anyway you slice it, if it hadn't been for Quasar's tampering with the gem, Warlock would have pretty much been owned.
thing is, aw COULD have used the gem whenever he wanted. he didn't use even the karmic blasts. the fight was a stalemate until q started draining aw's cosmic energy, thus weakening him and releasing the gem's energy.
if aw didn't have the gem, i agree at the time q might have been able to defeat him (hard to say with aw). but he DID have it, and didn't use it. if he had, HE would have done the owning.